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    Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 10:34pm
Hi Gals,
Anyone following Constantine's CAM found on NO Surrender BCF site?

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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now
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not lately, what's up with that dear genius?
dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear
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Diane,

Are you talking about his recommendations published in the following link?

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4378843

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
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several gals have followed his advice on supplements, including me...i am not faithful to taking pills everyday, but i try to balance eating right, exercising and taking some supplements.
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ya know, it's just alot of work this staying healthy stuff. My well went dry this morning, and I had just been thinking yesterday how good the water was lately, now it's a dark cloudy gray and spits mud. I went out and checked the cistern, looked up at the sky and said, was this really necessary god??
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I have been on the pills for the whole time I have been NED. Just waiting to see if I can prove him wrong. I hope not. No side effects so far. Just money out the door.

Most of the stuff you should be taking anyway. Unless you are on chemo.

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Yes Donna,
That is the regime I was referring to. Mainsailset, I sometimes question that myself! But then I think, He wouldn't give us anything we couldn't handle, and besides, just think how boring life would be!


I have found the curcumin 1000mg for $25/bottle at All Star Health.
http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/doctors_best-best_curcumin.htm

I was wondering if anyone has found it less expensive? Mary I know what you mean about the money, but I look at it this way. I am saving a ton of money not going to the hair salon (hair just growing in and am not coloring it yet---or ever again!!), and the evidence for curcumin as a preventative is high, so I am worth it! I hope it works for me as well.

He just recovered from a bout of pneumonia, btw. Also, for those following a low fat diet-- Below is a response to a question I had regarding fat intake with the boswellic acid suggested in the CAM and the WINS trial....

He is like Steve here on this site...a wealth of information and research. It sometimes takes me a while to digest all of the information....


04/13/10 at 05:32 PMReply with quote#8



I have not to date at least in this thread tackled the WINS  Trial itself, except to show that it is clinically irrelevant to the issue of optimal olive-oil consumption (and associated dietary fat proportions for optimal anticancer health), and have not suggested that not only is it clinically irrelevant, but also defective under scrutiny of evidence-based critical appraisal, and seeing this I think will help everyone further appreciate the issues involved (and also illustrate that by and large trials and study are presented in the literature uncritically, their conclusions then enshrined as truth and indeed, more critically, as practice-changing).  This is not what I do as an evidence-based medical researcher, and not what we allow here at No Surrender, as we will again witness here: 

 

Contra WINS

As  to  the WINS Trial, it's major - and illicit as I  will suggest - finding is that of a decreased risk of breast cancer recurrence at any site (local, regional, and distant) from a low-fat dietary intervention, although as I have already noted there was no benefit to overall survival.  But in doing an evidence-based critical appraisal of WINS, as I have, there are methodological compromises that make the trial insufficient to draw any such conclusion.

 

One Fatal Flaw

I will point out just one crippling flaw:  in the results data, the intervention group lost weight while the control group did not (weight loss of  (approximately  2.7 kg) and  this was throughout the entire 5 years of the intervention, and in fact easy computation using the trial's data shows that this weight loss is a statistically significant difference.  But this is a fatal flaw: the adverse influence of body weight and weight gain on survival after breast cancer is well established (Kroenke et al.;  Bastarrachea et al.; Zhand et al.; Galanis et al.; Daling et al., among many  others).  Indeed, the WINS investigators themselves have speculated (Blackburn & Wang, AJCN 2007) that their trial's low-fat diet caused modest weight loss which in turn drove improved insulin metabolism, hence reducing insulin's tumor-promoting effects and thus improving relapse-free survival.  But that of course undermines the power to conclude (1) the impact  of dietary fat reduction without weight loss, or (2) the impact of weight loss alone without dietary fat reduction, since it is not only conceivable, but likely on the accumulated evidence that weight loss was the critical correlative factor in driving any recurrence risk reduction, and that dietary fat reduction may have been irrelevant.  

 

And indeed, the same data base from WHI supports this, and contradicts WINS, when one examines the WHEL Trial findings which targeted not only lower dietary fat but also increased fruits, vegetables, and fiber, where in that case the trial intervention group did not lose weight, and consequently, no association with diet and survival was discovered. 

 

Another Fatal Flaw

Indeed, we have another critical flaw in the WINS methodology via another confounding factor besides weight loss, namely, physical activity: so, the study of Michelle Holmes and colleagues at Harvard (Am J Epidemiol, 2009), which reconfirmed their previous finding (JAMA 2005), found that physical activity was associated with decreased risk of breast cancer death among women with breast cancer, and this association was independent of dietary intake, and as I have suggested, this recent robust study found that physical activity confounded the association between diet and survival.  And although the LACE study failed to find a protective effect of physical activity on breast cancer recurrence or mortality although it was beneficial for breast cancer survivors in terms of total mortality, nonetheless the weight of the evidence supports that physical activity is associated with improved survival in women with breast cancer, as per the Nurses’ Health Study (NHS) and in 3 other cohort studies (Holick, Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev (2008); Irwin, JCO 2008; Pierce, JCO 2007).  And physical activity itself was correlated with lower intake of animal fat and higher intake of cereal fiber as shown by the  new NHS  re-analysis conducted by Michelle Holmes's team at  Harvard cited above.  In that recent study, intakes of dietary fat and cereal fiber were no longer associated with survival after adjustment for physical activity, yet higher physical activity was still associated with improved survival even after adjustment for diet.

 

An Alternate Explanation of WINS

Given this and other findings in similar agreement, we can conclude (1) that the most plausible explanation for the WINS is that energy restriction in the form of weight loss drove the recurrence risk  reduction (we have no WINS data on physical activity to  be able to speculate on that); and (2) that methodological compromises shown here of the WINS Trial renders its conclusion that dietary fat reduction is to be credited with effecting recurrence risk reduction illicit, as the trial failed to control for the confounding variable of weight loss (let alone physical exercise), and further suggesting as I have done that type of dietary fat can exercise a clinically significant contribution and hence matters in any dietary fat intervention study.

 

What the Evidence Shows: Conclusions

Therefore, as I have originally put forth, the WINS Trial is

  1. clinically irrelevant to the issue of olive-oil-dominant dietary fat intake;
  2. exhibits methodological compromise that undermines it's capacity to draw the  conclusion it did;
  3. from the WINS data themselves, weight loss is a more plausible contributor to recurrence risk reduction than is the posited dietary fat reduction; and
  4. the  most evidence-based supported diet, overwhelmingly so, for all-mortality, cancer-mortality, breast-cancer-specific-mortality, and cardiovascular-mortality, reduction remains the higher-fat content (42 - 46%) olive-oil-dominant diet (Cretan Mediterranean Diet), and that the conclusions of the WINS Trial, even if licit - and they are not - are relevant solely to American/Western diets, and not to the Cretan Mediterranean Diet (CMD) where the overwhelming weight of robust and multiply confirming evidence correlates breast cancer risk , and breast cancer mortality, reduction with high consumption of olive oil, even under circumstances where the proportion of total calories from  fat intake  reaches 42 - 46%, as along as olive-oil is the near-exclusive source of fat.

 


 

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Diane,

Do you find the no surrender site hard to navigate?  I've been there a few times and it always takes me a while to find things.  It does have a wealth of information.

Thanks for the link for cucumin.  Did you find one place to buy your supplements?

Mary, Diane, Mainy, 
Are you taking all the supplements he recommends?
Curcurmin, EGCG, Melatonin, D3, Parthenolide (Feverfew), CoQ10, Boswellic Acids, Resveratrol, DHA & Selenium.  I also saw where he's now recommending daily aspirin.

Mainy,
Sorry about your well, that sucks.  As Gilda always said, "It's always something!"




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Hi Donna, no I don't take his supplements, should but don't. All I take is a liquid high hit of B, the Vit D, CalMag & thyroid. Boom has taken em all but, well, notsogood
And the well thing is a major blow. Went down to the river last night to fill up water bottles and haul them home. Boiled water all night. Last time I went through this we dug 2 wells at 700 feet, both dry, so I'm not looking forward to this time in the slightest.

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear
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Yes Gilda was right!

Donna,
 I take the Tumeric Extract C3 complex 1160 mg daily.
Green tea 315 mg x 1 daily.
Resveratrol 100 mg x 1 daily.
Vitamin D 5000 IU x 1 daily.
Multivitamin 1 daily.

I was getting them all from Vitacost but found that Sam's Club has Vit D, real little capsules and cheaper.

Mainy, Sorry about your well. It is amazing how fast they go dry some years.

Diane, I am all for the studies and am hoping for the best. It is well worth the money if we live longer. I will have to get back to you on that. :)

All have a lovely day.

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53 @ Dx 5/08 Stage 1, grade 3, IDC 1.6 cm, 0 nodes, TNBC, lumpectomy, chemo TAC-6, radiation-34 12/18/08
NED-10/09, PBM w/TE recon. 7/10, removal of TE/infec 8/10. CT chest. Rec fat-graft & stem cells
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Oh YES! 

I have a great deal of respect for Constantine's analysis and recommendations.  I take all of his recommendations daily and I have added other things too, along with diet, exercise, and no light at night.

I have shown much of Constantine's treatises to other oncologists and doctors.  Without a single nit, every one has applauded the work and encouraged me to go with it. 

Constantine also was helpful in many enumerable ways as far as helping me in my particular situation and decoding some of the subtle issues I was trying to maneuver through.

I am a very big fan of his work and analysis...and so are my doctors!
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MsBliss,

Thanks!  He truly is a genius. 

Do you know what he means by his recommendation of taking Curcumin towards the end of a large meal, in at least three divided doses? 

Also, how much curcumin to you take a day?  He talks abut 500 mg a day as the minimum dose up to levels as high as 6,000 to 8,000 mg a day.


Curcuminoids
  • Optimal Formulation: Standardized to deliver at least 90%+ curcuminoids (the antitumor component) content, and Sabinsa-certified (the pharmaceutical grade formulation used in the studies). One leading pharmaceutical grade product comes from the Doctor's Best brand, as the product Best Curcumin (from Vitacost).
  • Optimal Dosing: Minimal effective dosing is 500mg / daily of curcuminoid component (one capsule daily), but this can be escalated to up to at least 1500 to 2000 mg / daily in: (1) advanced disease and metastatic settings, or in, (2) elevated risk contexts (doses up to 12,0000 mg / daily have been found wholly without harm). It should be noted that a new study from Mathilde Bayet-Robert at the Centre Jean Perrin has established although the MTD (maximum tolerated dose) of curcumin is 8000 mg/daily, the recommended dosing for near-optimal clinical benefit in human trial of women with advanced or metastatic breast cancer is 6000 mg/daily.
  • It is best to take curcumin towards to end of a large meal, in at least three divided doses. (Any degree of gastrointestinal (GI) upset, although relatively rare, is likely be due to the piperine (Bioperine) content which is used to enhance bioavailability). When using a piperine (Bioperine) bioavailability-enhanced curcumin formulation, be aware that the piperine ingredient may enhance (but fortunately not decrease) the efficacy of other agents consumed approximately concurrently, so if at all possible, separate co-consumption by at least one hour.
  • I consider: (1) triple negative breast cancer (TNBC), (2) inflammatory breast cancer (IBC), (3) metastatic breast cancer (MBC), and (4) HER2-positive disease (HER2+) as contexts of elevated risks.
  • In such cases, extrapolation from the evidence supports potential benefit up to but not beyond a maximum of 6000 to 8000 mg / daily.
  • Evidence suggests that piperine itself has antitumor activity of its own.
  • New evidence  just reported this month (9/09) from researchers at the Winship Cancer Institute and Emory University suggests that curcumin may be genotoxic (DNA-damaging), of particular  benefit to triple negative and BRCA1 deficient patients, and this represents the first ever demonstration of the potential triple negative specific activity of curcumin, showing curcumin-induced promotion of apoptosis and prevention of growth and migration of TNBC cells.



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11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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I printed out the CAM. I couldn't make sense of it otherwise and have been reading it over and over and making notes.
In it he states that he considers tnbc to be high risk and he advises 6000mg  (2 1000mng tabs 3x/day with a meal) to 8000mg max per day. The meal is due to the fact that curcumin can be a stomach irritant.

I have not yet started the CAM because I still have 7 more rads left.  But I will take the curcumin, vit D3 (have been taking this one), boswellic acids, resveratrol and baby aspirin. I am not sure yet about the EGCG as I drink a ton of green tea, so will need to read more on that one.

I am not going to do the CoQ10 as he lists it primarily for endocrine disease and only potential benefit in other forms of bc-requires further data. The melatonin is listed for people on AI so I will not be using that either.

I have not found one single place to get these, however. The vit D3 and the baby aspirin I get at Costco. I will probably order the curcumin from All Star Health--its the cheapest I've found so far.

The boswellic acid and resveratrol I have found the VitaCost site to be the cheapest so far for those.

I will probably add one at a time to make sure I don't have any reactions...

I do find the No Surrender site a bit difficult to follow. But I only check there really for Constatine's postings. This site is much easier ...

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Diane,

I also wonder about the green tea.  I steep a tea pot full of green tea each morning - 3 tea bags making about 3 - 4 coffee cups.  I wonder if that's enough or if I should be adding EGCG.

Do you know if it matters when you take (morning or evening) the baby aspirin?

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Diane,

I meant to ask you are you going to add Selenium?
DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Donna,
Yes, you want to take the curcumin at the end of a meal for two reasons:  it won't irritate your stomach, but more importantly, the curcumin is poorly absorbed without some fats or oils.  If I am taking a curcumin capsule that has the bioperine component then I will take 6 to 8 500mg capsules a day.  But now I am using a super absorb type for which one capsule equals 2800mg of activity uptake; with this type I take two to four a day, with meals.  

All of the factors that Constantine mentions are there because he has analyzed the data and those components are evidence worthy.  I take his recommendations with great gravity.

As far as the green tea, it sounds like you have a good dose going, but it really is not enough.  The evidence points to all day sipping--which is common in countries that have lower levels of certain forms of cancer.  If you top out at 3 tea per day, you should consider adding a high quality sup.  You can get a decaf version or light caf version, but make sure it is vetted like some of the better brands that have proven they have no contaminants in them.  Also, if you take a green tea capsule, do not over do it--they are concentrated.  Too much of any sup is not necessarily a good thing.
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Donna,
I wish I had Constantines CAM information before my treatments began...he lists Selenium as a supplement to take if you are anticipating genotoxic oncotherapy.  He states it can help improve the outcome of those treatments. 

I don't think the time of day you take the baby ASA matters. I haven't heard at least that it does.

MsBliss, What is the brand of curcumin that you take that gives you 2800mg/cap?

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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now
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Diane,

I guess I question whether we should be taking Selenium after chemo.  He doesn't talk about it, just the oncotherapy. 

Of those of you following the Edges - CAM, do you take all the recommendations or just some?  If some, which ones? 

Curcuminoids
EGCG
Melatonin
HD-D3
Parthenolide
Boswellic Acids
Resveratrol
DHA
Selenium


DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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BookBaroness, I take the super absorb curcumin from Life Extension.  They have a bioperine version too.  Anyway, you can take Thorne's or Doctor's Best---there are many high quality curcumin options to try.  I have taken all of them but right now use the high absorb.  I think they argue that the 700mg pill gives the equivalent of 2800mg because of it's uptake.  
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Thanks so much,

Another question...did you work up to the dose you take of the curcumin or did you start with that amount?  I am kinda afraid to take all of that right away. Don't want stomach issues. I developed gastritis in Feb and don't want to go through that again...
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