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Topic: Edges-CAM
Posted By: bookbaroness
Subject: Edges-CAM
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 10:34pm
Hi Gals,
Anyone following Constantine's CAM found on NO Surrender BCF site?

diane


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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now



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Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 11:24pm
not lately, what's up with that dear genius?

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 12:25am
Diane,

Are you talking about his recommendations published in the following link?

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4378843 - http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4378843

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: krisa
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 12:26am
several gals have followed his advice on supplements, including me...i am not faithful to taking pills everyday, but i try to balance eating right, exercising and taking some supplements.


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 12:29am
ya know, it's just alot of work this staying healthy stuff. My well went dry this morning, and I had just been thinking yesterday how good the water was lately, now it's a dark cloudy gray and spits mud. I went out and checked the cistern, looked up at the sky and said, was this really necessary god??

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: MaryinSarasota
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 7:00am
I have been on the pills for the whole time I have been NED. Just waiting to see if I can prove him wrong. I hope not. No side effects so far. Just money out the door.

Most of the stuff you should be taking anyway. Unless you are on chemo.

My 2 cents



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53 @ Dx 5/08 Stage 1, grade 3, IDC 1.6 cm, 0 nodes, TNBC, lumpectomy, chemo TAC-6, radiation-34 12/18/08
NED-10/09, PBM w/TE recon. 7/10, removal of TE/infec 8/10. CT chest. Rec fat-graft & stem cells


Posted By: bookbaroness
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 9:37am
Yes Donna,
That is the regime I was referring to. Mainsailset, I sometimes question that myself! But then I think, He wouldn't give us anything we couldn't handle, and besides, just think how boring life would be!


I have found the curcumin 1000mg for $25/bottle at All Star Health.
http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/doctors_best-best_curcumin.htm

I was wondering if anyone has found it less expensive? Mary I know what you mean about the money, but I look at it this way. I am saving a ton of money not going to the hair salon (hair just growing in and am not coloring it yet---or ever again!!), and the evidence for curcumin as a preventative is high, so I am worth it! I hope it works for me as well.

He just recovered from a bout of pneumonia, btw. Also, for those following a low fat diet-- Below is a response to a question I had regarding fat intake with the boswellic acid suggested in the CAM and the WINS trial....

He is like Steve here on this site...a wealth of information and research. It sometimes takes me a while to digest all of the information....


04/13/10 at 05:32 PM http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post/printadd?id=4669144&pid=39789537 - - Reply with quote http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post/show_single_post?pid=39789537&postcount=8 - #8



I have not to date at least in this thread tackled the WINS  Trial itself, except to show that it is clinically irrelevant to the issue of optimal olive-oil consumption (and associated dietary fat proportions for optimal anticancer health), and have not suggested that not only is it clinically irrelevant, but also defective under scrutiny of evidence-based critical appraisal, and seeing this I think will help everyone further appreciate the issues involved (and also illustrate that by and large trials and study are presented in the literature uncritically, their conclusions then enshrined as truth and indeed, more critically, as practice-changing).  This is not what I do as an evidence-based medical researcher, and not what we allow here at No Surrender, as we will again witness here: 

 

Contra WINS

As  to  the WINS Trial, it's major - and illicit as I  will suggest - finding is that of a decreased risk of breast cancer recurrence at any site (local, regional, and distant) from a low-fat dietary intervention, although as I have already noted there was no benefit to overall survival.  But in doing an evidence-based critical appraisal of WINS, as I have, there are methodological compromises that make the trial insufficient to draw any such conclusion.

 

One Fatal Flaw

I will point out just one crippling flaw:  in the results data, the intervention group lost weight while the control group did not (weight loss of  (approximately  2.7 kg) and  this was throughout the entire 5 years of the intervention, and in fact easy computation using the trial's data shows that this weight loss is a statistically significant difference.  But this is a fatal flaw: the adverse influence of body weight and weight gain on survival after breast cancer is well established (Kroenke et al.;  Bastarrachea et al.; Zhand et al.; Galanis et al.; Daling et al., among many  others).  Indeed, the WINS investigators themselves have speculated (Blackburn & Wang, AJCN 2007) that their trial's low-fat diet caused modest weight loss which in turn drove improved insulin metabolism, hence reducing insulin's tumor-promoting effects and thus improving relapse-free survival.  But that of course undermines the power to conclude (1) the impact  of dietary fat reduction without weight loss, or (2) the impact of weight loss alone without dietary fat reduction, since it is not only conceivable, but likely on the accumulated evidence that weight loss was the critical correlative factor in driving any recurrence risk reduction, and that dietary fat reduction may have been irrelevant.  

 

And indeed, the same data base from WHI supports this, and contradicts WINS, when one examines the WHEL Trial findings which targeted not only lower dietary fat but also increased fruits, vegetables, and fiber, where in that case the trial intervention group did not lose weight, and consequently, no association with diet and survival was discovered. 

 

Another Fatal Flaw

Indeed, we have another critical flaw in the WINS methodology via another confounding factor besides weight loss, namely, physical activity: so, the study of Michelle Holmes and colleagues at Harvard (Am J Epidemiol, 2009), which reconfirmed their previous finding (JAMA 2005), found that physical activity was associated with decreased risk of breast cancer death among women with breast cancer, and this association was independent of dietary intake, and as I have suggested, this recent robust study found that physical activity confounded the association between diet and survival.  And although the LACE study failed to find a protective effect of physical activity on breast cancer recurrence or mortality although it was beneficial for breast cancer survivors in terms of total mortality, nonetheless the weight of the evidence supports that physical activity is associated with improved survival in women with breast cancer, as per the Nurses’ Health Study (NHS) and in 3 other cohort studies (Holick, Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev (2008); Irwin, JCO 2008; Pierce, JCO 2007).  And physical activity itself was correlated with lower intake of animal fat and higher intake of cereal fiber as shown by the  new NHS  re-analysis conducted by Michelle Holmes's team at  Harvard cited above.  In that recent study, intakes of dietary fat and cereal fiber were no longer associated with survival after adjustment for physical activity, yet higher physical activity was still associated with improved survival even after adjustment for diet.

 

An Alternate Explanation of WINS

Given this and other findings in similar agreement, we can conclude (1) that the most plausible explanation for the WINS is that energy restriction in the form of weight loss drove the recurrence risk  reduction (we have no WINS data on physical activity to  be able to speculate on that); and (2) that methodological compromises shown here of the WINS Trial renders its conclusion that dietary fat reduction is to be credited with effecting recurrence risk reduction illicit, as the trial failed to control for the confounding variable of weight loss (let alone physical exercise), and further suggesting as I have done that type of dietary fat can exercise a clinically significant contribution and hence matters in any dietary fat intervention study.

 

What the Evidence Shows: Conclusions

Therefore, as I have originally put forth, the WINS Trial is

  1. clinically irrelevant to the issue of olive-oil-dominant dietary fat intake;
  2. exhibits methodological compromise that undermines it's capacity to draw the  conclusion it did;
  3. from the WINS data themselves, weight loss is a more plausible contributor to recurrence risk reduction than is the posited dietary fat reduction; and
  4. the  most evidence-based supported diet, overwhelmingly so, for all-mortality, cancer-mortality, breast-cancer-specific-mortality, and cardiovascular-mortality, reduction remains the higher-fat content (42 - 46%) olive-oil-dominant diet (Cretan Mediterranean Diet), and that the conclusions of the WINS Trial, even if licit - and they are not - are relevant solely to American/Western diets, and not to the Cretan Mediterranean Diet (CMD) where the overwhelming weight of robust and multiply confirming evidence correlates breast cancer risk , and breast cancer mortality, reduction with high consumption of olive oil, even under circumstances where the proportion of total calories from  fat intake  reaches 42 - 46%, as along as olive-oil is the near-exclusive source of fat.

 


 

Constantine Kaniklidis

Breast Cancer Watch

mailto:edge@evidencewatch.com - edge@evidencewatch.com





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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 11:39am
Diane,

Do you find the no surrender site hard to navigate?  I've been there a few times and it always takes me a while to find things.  It does have a wealth of information.

Thanks for the link for cucumin.  Did you find one place to buy your supplements?

Mary, Diane, Mainy, 
Are you taking all the supplements he recommends?
Curcurmin, EGCG, Melatonin, D3, Parthenolide (Feverfew), CoQ10, Boswellic Acids, Resveratrol, DHA & Selenium.  I also saw where he's now recommending daily aspirin.

Mainy,
Sorry about your well, that sucks.  As Gilda always said, "It's always something!"






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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 2:13pm
Hi Donna, no I don't take his supplements, should but don't. All I take is a liquid high hit of B, the Vit D, CalMag & thyroid. Boom has taken em all but, well, notsogood
And the well thing is a major blow. Went down to the river last night to fill up water bottles and haul them home. Boiled water all night. Last time I went through this we dug 2 wells at 700 feet, both dry, so I'm not looking forward to this time in the slightest.

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: MaryinSarasota
Date Posted: Apr 17 2010 at 2:41pm
Yes Gilda was right!

Donna,
 I take the Tumeric Extract C3 complex 1160 mg daily.
Green tea 315 mg x 1 daily.
Resveratrol 100 mg x 1 daily.
Vitamin D 5000 IU x 1 daily.
Multivitamin 1 daily.

I was getting them all from Vitacost but found that Sam's Club has Vit D, real little capsules and cheaper.

Mainy, Sorry about your well. It is amazing how fast they go dry some years.

Diane, I am all for the studies and am hoping for the best. It is well worth the money if we live longer. I will have to get back to you on that. :)

All have a lovely day.

Mary


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53 @ Dx 5/08 Stage 1, grade 3, IDC 1.6 cm, 0 nodes, TNBC, lumpectomy, chemo TAC-6, radiation-34 12/18/08
NED-10/09, PBM w/TE recon. 7/10, removal of TE/infec 8/10. CT chest. Rec fat-graft & stem cells


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Apr 18 2010 at 5:17am
Oh YES! 

I have a great deal of respect for Constantine's analysis and recommendations.  I take all of his recommendations daily and I have added other things too, along with diet, exercise, and no light at night.

I have shown much of Constantine's treatises to other oncologists and doctors.  Without a single nit, every one has applauded the work and encouraged me to go with it. 

Constantine also was helpful in many enumerable ways as far as helping me in my particular situation and decoding some of the subtle issues I was trying to maneuver through.

I am a very big fan of his work and analysis...and so are my doctors!


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 18 2010 at 11:29am
MsBliss,

Thanks!  He truly is a genius. 

Do you know what he means by his recommendation of taking Curcumin towards the end of a large meal, in at least three divided doses? 

Also, how much curcumin to you take a day?  He talks abut 500 mg a day as the minimum dose up to levels as high as 6,000 to 8,000 mg a day.


Curcuminoids
  • Optimal Formulation: Standardized to deliver at least 90%+ curcuminoids (the antitumor component) content, and Sabinsa-certified (the pharmaceutical grade formulation used in the studies). One leading pharmaceutical grade product comes from the Doctor's Best brand, as the product Best Curcumin (from Vitacost).
  • Optimal Dosing: Minimal effective dosing is 500mg / daily of curcuminoid component (one capsule daily), but this can be escalated to up to at least 1500 to 2000 mg / daily in: (1) advanced disease and metastatic settings, or in, (2) elevated risk contexts (doses up to 12,0000 mg / daily have been found wholly without harm). It should be noted that a new study from Mathilde Bayet-Robert at the Centre Jean Perrin has established although the MTD (maximum tolerated dose) of curcumin is 8000 mg/daily, the recommended dosing for near-optimal clinical benefit in human trial of women with advanced or metastatic breast cancer is 6000 mg/daily.
  • It is best to take curcumin towards to end of a large meal, in at least three divided doses. (Any degree of gastrointestinal (GI) upset, although relatively rare, is likely be due to the piperine (Bioperine) content which is used to enhance bioavailability). When using a piperine (Bioperine) bioavailability-enhanced curcumin formulation, be aware that the piperine ingredient may enhance (but fortunately not decrease) the efficacy of other agents consumed approximately concurrently, so if at all possible, separate co-consumption by at least one hour.
  • I consider: (1) triple negative breast cancer (TNBC), (2) inflammatory breast cancer (IBC), (3) metastatic breast cancer (MBC), and (4) HER2-positive disease (HER2+) as contexts of elevated risks.
  • In such cases, extrapolation from the evidence supports potential benefit up to but not beyond a maximum of 6000 to 8000 mg / daily.
  • Evidence suggests that piperine itself has antitumor activity of its own.
  • New evidence  just reported this month (9/09) from researchers at the Winship Cancer Institute and Emory University suggests that curcumin may be genotoxic (DNA-damaging), of particular  benefit to triple negative and BRCA1 deficient patients, and this represents the first ever demonstration of the potential triple negative specific activity of curcumin, showing curcumin-induced promotion of apoptosis and prevention of growth and migration of TNBC cells.





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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: bookbaroness
Date Posted: Apr 18 2010 at 4:22pm
I printed out the CAM. I couldn't make sense of it otherwise and have been reading it over and over and making notes.
In it he states that he considers tnbc to be high risk and he advises 6000mg  (2 1000mng tabs 3x/day with a meal) to 8000mg max per day. The meal is due to the fact that curcumin can be a stomach irritant.

I have not yet started the CAM because I still have 7 more rads left.  But I will take the curcumin, vit D3 (have been taking this one), boswellic acids, resveratrol and baby aspirin. I am not sure yet about the EGCG as I drink a ton of green tea, so will need to read more on that one.

I am not going to do the CoQ10 as he lists it primarily for endocrine disease and only potential benefit in other forms of bc-requires further data. The melatonin is listed for people on AI so I will not be using that either.

I have not found one single place to get these, however. The vit D3 and the baby aspirin I get at Costco. I will probably order the curcumin from All Star Health--its the cheapest I've found so far.

The boswellic acid and resveratrol I have found the VitaCost site to be the cheapest so far for those.

I will probably add one at a time to make sure I don't have any reactions...

I do find the No Surrender site a bit difficult to follow. But I only check there really for Constatine's postings. This site is much easier ...

diane


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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 18 2010 at 6:04pm
Diane,

I also wonder about the green tea.  I steep a tea pot full of green tea each morning - 3 tea bags making about 3 - 4 coffee cups.  I wonder if that's enough or if I should be adding EGCG.

Do you know if it matters when you take (morning or evening) the baby aspirin?

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 18 2010 at 6:37pm
Diane,

I meant to ask you are you going to add Selenium?


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Apr 19 2010 at 3:13am
Donna,
Yes, you want to take the curcumin at the end of a meal for two reasons:  it won't irritate your stomach, but more importantly, the curcumin is poorly absorbed without some fats or oils.  If I am taking a curcumin capsule that has the bioperine component then I will take 6 to 8 500mg capsules a day.  But now I am using a super absorb type for which one capsule equals 2800mg of activity uptake; with this type I take two to four a day, with meals.  

All of the factors that Constantine mentions are there because he has analyzed the data and those components are evidence worthy.  I take his recommendations with great gravity.

As far as the green tea, it sounds like you have a good dose going, but it really is not enough.  The evidence points to all day sipping--which is common in countries that have lower levels of certain forms of cancer.  If you top out at 3 tea per day, you should consider adding a high quality sup.  You can get a decaf version or light caf version, but make sure it is vetted like some of the better brands that have proven they have no contaminants in them.  Also, if you take a green tea capsule, do not over do it--they are concentrated.  Too much of any sup is not necessarily a good thing.


Posted By: bookbaroness
Date Posted: Apr 20 2010 at 6:30pm
Donna,
I wish I had Constantines CAM information before my treatments began...he lists Selenium as a supplement to take if you are anticipating genotoxic oncotherapy.  He states it can help improve the outcome of those treatments. 

I don't think the time of day you take the baby ASA matters. I haven't heard at least that it does.

MsBliss, What is the brand of curcumin that you take that gives you 2800mg/cap?

diane


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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Apr 25 2010 at 9:32pm
Diane,

I guess I question whether we should be taking Selenium after chemo.  He doesn't talk about it, just the oncotherapy. 

Of those of you following the Edges - CAM, do you take all the recommendations or just some?  If some, which ones? 

Curcuminoids
EGCG
Melatonin
HD-D3
Parthenolide
Boswellic Acids
Resveratrol
DHA
Selenium




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Apr 26 2010 at 2:27am
BookBaroness, I take the super absorb curcumin from Life Extension.  They have a bioperine version too.  Anyway, you can take Thorne's or Doctor's Best---there are many high quality curcumin options to try.  I have taken all of them but right now use the high absorb.  I think they argue that the 700mg pill gives the equivalent of 2800mg because of it's uptake.  


Posted By: bookbaroness
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 8:34pm
Thanks so much,

Another question...did you work up to the dose you take of the curcumin or did you start with that amount?  I am kinda afraid to take all of that right away. Don't want stomach issues. I developed gastritis in Feb and don't want to go through that again...
diane


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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 11:34am
Do you take Melatonin?  I tried the 3 mg and would take it for a few days at a time.  I had the weirdest dreams.  It made me drowsy but at the same time I felt like I was awake all night.  Anyone have similar experiences.  I read how it's important to take but so far I've had worse nights sleep with it.

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: Belle_Laide
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 12:59pm
Hi All--This is a very interesting, educational thread.

I am of Italian heritage--first generation---and grew up on the Mediterrian Diet. Lots and lots of olive oil from Italy, tons of fresh veggies; have been a vegetarian for over 20 years. It's wonderful that people want to clean up their diets. I am living proof, unfortunately, that TNBC may happen anyway.

Not that we shouldn't have great diets and put fresh and healthy and wonderful things in our bodies, of course. Just sayin' be kind to ourselves by doing the best we can and if we have gotten this creepy disease or, the Gods forbid, have a recurrance, to know we did the best we could and it's no failure on our part. We can't control everything [;)]; we do what we can.

Also, melatonin can affect asthma in asthmatics, and there are folk out there who are asthmatic and should not be taking aspirin and NSAIDS (can be verified by WEBMD or an asthmatic who is allergic to these drugs. Some folk who have asthma have been found to be allergic to these drugs and a reaction can be fatal)       [:^(]



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 2:54pm
Dear Bookie! Ha ha.  OK, I started with the basic dose, I think 1 cap (500mg) three times a day, then doubled it after two weeks.  Then I changed brands and always took a minimum of 3000 per day.  Right now I take three to five of the "uber" absorb per day which equals about 2100mg minimum.  I never had a stomach issue with the high doses, but some of us can have severe irritation from many diff things and not even know it is happening, so you are smart to be cautious.  For example, I didn't even know my ulcerative colitis had progressed and was at a dangerous stage because my symptoms were too subtle; another example is my neighbor just ended up in the hospital with a ruptured duodenal ulcer, and she never had the slightest warning.  So pay attention to any tummy sensitivity and make sure you have a little fat or oil with the curcumin.  Black pepper or bioperine helps absorption too, but it is usually included with the curcumin.  It can be a tummy irritant too, but it is a trade off.  We need this stuff in our systems, it is very important.  What ever you do, take a minimal dose that feels agreeable to your stomach.


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 3:04pm
Hi Donna--yes, I take melatonin.  I take from 10 to 20 mg per night.  If I am very tired I take 10, if I had a restless day, or too much coffee, I take 20mg.  My doctor wants me to take 40mg!  I think that would put me in a coma, so I won't do it.  I def have vivid dreams from the melatonin, and on some days I feel groggy when I wake up, but all in all, the good solid sleep it gives me feels right.  Amongst other things, melatonin is a natural aromatase inhibitor, which doesn't matter for tnbc, but matters for the big picture as we are not immune to developing secondary er pos bc.  Many studies have shown good levels of melatonin are protective for breast health so I am going with it.


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 3:10pm
I should clarify the curcumin dose:  the super absorb is a 700mg cap, so 3 of them equals 2100mg per day.  The super absorb quotient confuses the dose ratio, so just know that you get the minimum dose but the effect is as if you took up to four times that amount.  I vary what I take daily depending on other factors too, for example, what I ate that day, if I ate curry, if I have stomach sensitivity, mood, etc... 


Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 4:35pm

is it best to get the curcamin with bioperine of not?

little confused about the dose?

does any one no a good website to get all the suplements from?

thanks Smile



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 5:23pm
still don't know the answer to that....I think bioperine has independent positive effects biochemically, but the people I have consulted said it is more important to get the curcumin in the system first, which means super absorb counts first, bioperine second.  But if Bioperine has independent action of it's own, shouldn't we be adding it too?  Also, Bioperine helps with absorption, but you don't need it with super absorb.  I can't wrap my logic around this one......


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 5:54pm
Jodie,

You may want to try www.vitacost.com




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: LRM216
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 8:47pm
I too read Edge's posts diligently as well.  However, someone tell me if I am wrong, but when reading his posts about the curcumin, I thought I had read that the dosage was to be higher for those with metastatic disease than for those that have not experineced a recurrence.  Am I wrong and should those of us that have yet to experience recurrence take the higher dose?
 
Gosh, this is so dang confusing.  I love what he writes, but I oftentimes have trouble understanding it!
 
Linda


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Linda - diagnosed at age 62
Diag 2/23/09 IDC 1.2 cent. IDC right breast,Stage 1, Grade 3,0/1 nodes - Triple Neg
4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 9:14pm
Wow, this answer to the low fat Wins trial is very interesting.  I suspected the same issues, but don't have the knowledge base to analyze it like Edge does.

He makes a good point.  You see, the low fat benefits were from weight loss and insulin metabolism, not the fat reduction.  Without good fats we don't get the best bang out of vitamin D, curcumin, boswellia, etc.  


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 7:47am
I just saw that Edge-CAM has updated his protocol.  Here's the new link, please check it out!

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4698965&trail=20#1 - http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4698965&trail=20#1




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: bookbaroness
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 6:37pm
Thanks Donna,
I will need to print this out to compare to the last one!
diane


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dx 3/09,lumpectomy 4/09, margin & axil nodes 5/09, stg IIa,grade 3.ACT/avastin done 10/29, rads started 11/30, 12/09 recur vs missed initially. 1/10 bilat mast, rads done 4/10, zometa q3mos now


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 12:51am
Donna, thank you for posting this link....I had not checked for updates.  This is awesome information!

Bliss


Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 9:41am
hello everybody,
Thanks alot for that webiste donna!
I been reading through lots of your posts trying to work out which supplements  to get my mum.
Shes just half way through rads at the moment.
Can any one tell me some of the best supplements to get, i did follow the link but found it a bit confusing.
I am going to order her d3 2000iu, she still hasnt had her levels checked yet.
Aslo the curcamin 1000mg to take 2 x a day. do you think this is a good amount to start on?
The green tea, not sure on the dose of this?
What brands are the best to get as im from England and none of the brands ive seen are familiar to me?
Also my mum is taking antidepressants, i no  she will have to check with her doctor but does anyone no if these supplements are ok to take with them?
Thanks very much for your time.


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 10:27am
Hi jodie, you may want to be careful with antioxidant supplements and the green tea while your mom is completing her radiation. The D3 is a great thing to do while on rads but when researching I found that there was a huge uproard over antioxidants supplements while doing the radiation.
 
On the other hand, lots and lots of fresh fruit and veggies during radiation is a good thing...
You may find, as I did, that once she gets her D levels up and running that she can toss the anti depressants.


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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 9:40pm
Jodie,

With D3, you also want to get Calcium/Magnesium to help with the absorption.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 4:37pm

what dose in the calcuim and magnesium? x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 9:23pm
Jodiel1,

This is from the VitaminDcouncil.org website:

Vitamin D's Co-factors

Vitamin D has co-factors that the body needs in order to utilize vitamin D properly. They are:

  • magnesium
  • zinc
  • vitamin K2
  • boron
  • genestein
  • a tiny amount of vitamin A

Magnesium is the most important of these co-factors. In fact, it is common for rising vitamin D levels to exacerbate an underlying magnesium deficiency. If one is having problems supplementing with vitamin D, a magnesium deficiency could be the reason why.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/more-vitamin-d-questions-and-answers.shtml - http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/more-vitamin-d-questions-and-answers.shtml

I try to eat more nuts and seeds, but I also take a calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement with my D3.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: nosurrender
Date Posted: May 12 2010 at 7:21pm
Hi everyoneSmile
I am glad that you find Constantine's hard work helpful to you over here on the TNBC forum. Thank you  for citing  the No Surrender Breast Cancer Foundation and Constantine as the source for the information that was copied here. We really appreciate it.

I was wondering if you could let me know what you mean when you say you find the  forum hard to navigate? We are constantly upgrading to make it as user-friendly as possible, and I would truly appreciate hearing what makes it confusing so I can fix it!

You can email me at nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp (at) gmail (dot) com.

Thanks so much in advance!

hugs,
No Surrender
diagnosed TNBC 2001




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www.nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp.com


Posted By: dmwolf
Date Posted: May 12 2010 at 9:13pm
Hi, Gina.  :)
I love your site.  It's such a lovely community and resource.  Thanks for all your dedication, and congrats on your new book.
Love,
Denise


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DX 2/08@43 stg II IDC; gr2,0 nodes. Neoadj chemo, first ACx2 (fail) then CarboTaxotereX6(better). Lump, Rads done 11/08; Clodronate. False alarm queen: PetCT lung & TM marker. NED. PBM w/recon 9/10.


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 12 2010 at 9:25pm
Gina,

Thank you so much for your site and Constantine's research.  Congratulations on being a long term survivor and your new book, Intimacy After Breast Cancer.  You are so right about doctor's never telling us how bc affects intimacy issues and the changes chemo places on our bodies.

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp.org/Book/Intimacy%20After%20Breast%20Cancer.html - http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp.org/Book/Intimacy After Breast Cancer.html  


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 3:16am
Dear Gina,
You got a BIG fan right here....your site and the access to Constantine's advisements were critical to being able to parse all the info and facts out when I was diagnosed.

I am so grateful to you for that.

Much love,
Bliss


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 9:44am
I think the problems that I have negotiating my way around the NoSurrender site are probably mine and not the site's. There is just such a huge amount of information that is indeed well organized that I feel like I'm wading into the weeds there. However, when I try and research something for some reason I can't get the search engine to sort or help me out. There's a similar problem here as oftentimes people like me put a non definitive title in the subject line (like "Help!")and then there ends up some technical information on a specific treatment. If the subject lines always used a word or reference to the specifics it would make researching easier. Just sayin

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:45am
Gina,

I agree that the problems are mostly my own.  When I read the Edge-Cam research and recommendations I sometimes have difficulty understanding all the technical terms.  I reread it several times for it to sink in.  Sometimes I have questions, like what is the correct dose for Curcurmin?  And should we be taking Selenium after treatment.  I think I've figured out where to look at the Forum discussion.  I do have problem searching in the forum to find the topic that Constantine may have talked about in the past.  I don't want to ask the same question if it's already been answered.  I kind of get lost when I'm searching. 

I love the site and the information that it provides.  I sure wish I knew about your site and this site when I was diagnosed. 

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: nosurrender
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 8:13pm
Thank you all so much!
I will definitely try to fix the Search feature! Your input is terrific!
And thanks for mentioning the new book- I wrote it for all of us, I hope you like it Smile
hugs to you all,
no surrender
diagnosed tnbc 2001


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www.nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp.com


Posted By: Sugar77
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 9:00pm
Gina, I really like your website and find if very informative.  Just today I printed out Constantine's Edge recommentations for supplements and went to the health food store and bought a lot of them (Curcumin, Green Tea extract, Fish Oil, Vitamin D). I finished rads three weeks ago so I can now take supplements again. 

Sherri


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DX IDC TNBC Oct. 27, 2009, age at diagnosis 45, Stage 1, Grade 3, <1 cm, 0/2 nodes, lumpectomy, Taxotere/CytoxanX4, finished Feb. 8, 2010, radiation completed Apr. 21, 2010.


Posted By: hhfheidi
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:15pm
Hmmm... guess I'll look into the Curcumin after I have time to read/absorb all the info there. Already doing the rest... I think.


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 12:33am
Heidi, Curcumin is one of the most important sups you can take.....please check into it.  Even researchers are trying to "weaponize" it for intravenous and other therapies with breast cancer....



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 11:23am
This week I added to my supplement list:

1.  Doctor's Best Curcumin C3 Complex with Bioperine (from Vitacost), 500 mg.  I started out with 1 tablet after a meal but increasing it to 2.  I plan to take at least 3 tablets based upon the Edge's recommendation of 1,500 - 2,000 mg.

2.  Green Tea Extract, 500 mg, from NSI (Vitacost). 

3.  Resveratrol Grape Seed & Red Win Extracts, from NSI (Vitacost).

4.  Selenium, 200 mcg.

5.  Baby aspirin, coated.

I also take

1.  D3 - 7,000 iu, along with Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc tablet.

2.  Juice Plus - fruit and vegetable powders.

Based upon the Edges recommendation, I'm still considering Parthenolide, DHA & Melatonin.  Are any of you taking these?  Anything else?

I've tried Melatonin but can't get past the vivid dreams.  I only took 3 mg of Melatonin.  I've read that a time released formula is better so I may order a time released version in a higher dose to see if it works.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 5:53pm
Hi Donna,

With melatonin, you have to work up to the therapeutic dose.  The vivid dreams do get better, but I have to say that I am often groggy the next day.  But I really feel well slept generally.  If you drink coffee it knocks the groggy right out....I have not given up coffee because my integrative doctor likes the benefits of coffee for me right now--and anyway, the world is not safe if I haven't had my morning cup!

The DHA will come with a good EPA oil.....and helps the curcumin absorb a bit better because oil helps with absorption.

I haven't tried the parthenolide yet...still working on the chaos of what I am currently taking.

All my best,
Bliss

edited cuz I sent it without finishing!


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 12:24am
Bliss,

Oh what I'd give for a cup of coffee.  I was a big coffee drinker, but after my first chemo I lost all desire for it.  It was too harsh on my stomach.  Instead all I can drink in the morning is green tea.  I've maybe had 4 cups of coffee since last summer.  I envy everyone that can have their coffee!

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 12:41am
Donna, have you tried making homemade Chai? Basically it's regular tea made with a tablespoon of mulling spices, 1 t of lemon pepper, hot milk and honey to taste. It's not coffee but it is pretty yummy. (now if I could find a way to make it with blueberries I'd have it made!)

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 2:33am
Donna,
Oh my, green tea is so much better for you....go with that over coffee if you enjoy it and don't look back!  I have heard that chemo can change the taste buds and it sounds like it is working in your favor...

Mainy,
I love chai....but I never had a recipe so thank you for this one....it sounds yummy and I am going to try it.  You can buy blueberry tea--I think I've seen it at Trader Joes or at natural food markets. 

xo
Bliss




Posted By: Sandra
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 11:31am
MsBliss
Who is your integrated doc?


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DX 1/14/10 TNB IIIC with one lymph 8 taxol 3 cisplatin 4/7 Dr cant feel tumor
occ in same breast and chest wall on 10/10 other breast and lymph Gemzar/Carboplatin lotto for Parp


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 11:58am
Mainy,

The recipe sounds wonderful, I'll have to try it!

Thanks,

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 1:05pm
I have another question regarding the recommendation for DHA.  I was searching for products and it seems you can get just DHA or Omega3 with DHA.  I don't understand the difference and which is better.  Can anyone help?

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 5:53pm
Dear Sandra,

This is not a easy question to answer because I have seen many doctors and I have an unusual combo of factors that affect how my answer would be interpreted, so please bear with me.

Over the first year after dx I met with several integrative docs....an MD at UCLA, a naturopath, and a ob/gyn who practices anti aging medicine, but has a genomic breast cancer protocol.  I also called a consultant at Life Extension Foundation, and wrote to Constantine who composed the Edge CAM at Nosurrenderbreastcancer.org. 

I cobbled all the data together and mixed in some of my own research from peer review journals available on the internet, along with some advisements from my brother (in law) who is an oncologist.

So you see, I saw a lot of different people, but I had to.  Even though I was stage 1 with no lymph node involvement, being triple negative meant chemo was imperative.  But I had secondary health issues that were incompatible with the chemo that was recommended, which was TC x4.  Plus I had some peculiar tumor features, which were dismissed as meaningless by all the oncs I saw, but when I did my own research I learned this conclusion was mistaken. 

So I saw many oncs, even flew to MD Anderson, and they all had varying concerns about my taking chemo with TC; and using Adriamycin was out because I had multiple heart related issues.  But most of them felt it was medically manageable, even if I needed hospitalization.  Then the top onc in the bunch told me that she had a patient like me in the hospital and she was not responding to medical management, so I felt the decision was made:  no chemo.

Then I had other delays because of my liver or a lymph node and it was 7 months post lumpectomies and it was too late to start rads, so, no chemo, no rads.

I had to pursue a proactive protocol and so that is why I went with so many consultations and personal research.  This approach is probably specific to me.  If I had the slightest lymph node involvement, I would not have questioned the need for chemo at all.  I would have followed exactly the recommendations given, but I would have probably taken vitamin D, curcumin and perhaps a few other sups, spaced safely away from infusion dates.  Also, since chemo works for 48 hours or so, I would have taken MagOx to flush it out of my system after each infusion period if that was okay with the oncologist. 

All of this would be a personal experiment and not really translatable to others because we just don't know....it is dangerous to step away on your own, or at least, very scary.  For now we believe that triple negative cancer needs genotoxic therapy and I have to live with the reality that I didn't do it, and if I am wrong, well, that is a big one.

So, I am hesitant to post the names of the integrative doctors I saw, but will be happy to give the names privately to anyone who wishes to know.  Plus, there are many excellent doctors besides the ones I saw, and I could give you those names as well, or I could give you the name index that I used to shop around.

Just let me know.

All my best,
Bliss


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 16 2010 at 1:41pm
I have a question about raising your WBC.  Mine has always been at the lower end of the normal range even before chemo.  I'm wondering if there is anything we can do or take to help increase the wbc.

I saw the Edge post this at the no surrender site about wbc:

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4681418 - http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4681418

Low white blood cell (WBC) levels/count - aka, leukopenia - can be influence by certain CAM interventions which are immuno-stimulatory.  The three most critical vitamins are folic acid which should be supplemented to 800 mcg/daily, B12 supplemented to 500 mcg daily (half a milligram), and Vitamin C at 1000mg three times daily (in Ester C form). 

 

Even more importantly, we know from robust data that standardized http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-Echinamide-Clinical-Strength-60-Softgels/2619?at=0 - echinacea (only as Echinamide), http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-Sambucus-Sugar-Free-Syrup - elderberry extract (as  Sambucus (formerly Sambucol)), http://www.vitacost.com/Planetary-Herbals-Full-Spectrum-Andrographis - andrographis (standardized to 10% andrographolides), and http://www.amazon.com/Cold-fx-200mg-Capsules-Brand-Technologies/dp/B000YBUT38/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1271785823&sr=8-3 - Panax American Ginseng (Panax quinquefolius, only as Cold-FX) can all raise WBC and are powerfully immuno-stimulatory, if the optimal formulation (as per the confirming studies) is used; dose as per label, except for Cold-FX, which should just be one capsule twice daily.[Note: click on names for link to product standardized as per confirming studies].

 

Finally, moderate physical exercise - preferably a combination of aerobic, and resistance (strength) exercise for 30 - 45 minutes daily can also increase WBC, and the  maximal benefit is likely to accrue from combining these interventions, then re-test after approximately  6 weeks.






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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: May 16 2010 at 5:28pm
Dear Donna,
For immune stimulation, I have read that elderberry works and it is backed up by research.  There is also a tincture made of several mushroom species (rec UCLA), I think it is called Mycoplex, or something like that.  There is also:  AveUltra (Avemar) and it's sister product Immpower (rec UCLA too).  But originally I used corioulus mushrooms, which is the analog to PSK, which was used in the Japanese study on breast cancer.  In Japan, all bc patients generally use some sort of mushroom immune boost, and PSK is the most popular.  You also want to make sure you boost the right segment of your immune system--boosting certain cells is not necessarily where we should go--we need to modulate the immune system, not super charge it across the board.


Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 1:36pm
hi everybody,
i no this is going to sound crazy but i wanted to ask, i ordered some supplements for my mum from vitacost, just wanted to make sure its ok for her to take them.
 She is about 6 weeks out from rads. I red some people are already taknig these but i wanted to double check before she starts. Im not familiar with the poducts or the brands as im from england and ive never heard of some of these before.
green tea 500mg
curcamin 500mg 3x daily
vitimen d3 2000iu plus calcium and magnesium
bolswellia acid
reverstaral
just seems a lot to be taking, wanted to make sure. thanks x
 


Posted By: Sugar77
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 4:13pm
Jodie - I finished rads end of April and am taking many of these supplement, except the Melatonin, which I tried it the other night and had a horrible night of bad dreams. I haven't tried the bolswellia acid yet but might add that to my regimen next.  I also bought some sea vegetables, which is a powder that I put one tsp in a cup of water every morning.  It's sea algae, kelp and some other "yucky" marine-based things! It looks horrible but apparently it's good for me.  Oh, the things we take to keep healthy!!

Sherri


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DX IDC TNBC Oct. 27, 2009, age at diagnosis 45, Stage 1, Grade 3, <1 cm, 0/2 nodes, lumpectomy, Taxotere/CytoxanX4, finished Feb. 8, 2010, radiation completed Apr. 21, 2010.


Posted By: Serenitity
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 7:27pm
After i finshed up the 33 radiation treatments (last 5 were boosts), I asked if I should start taking supplements again after a year long hiatis /surgery, chemo rads, they all told me to wait for a while like 6 months to a year. Get my anti-oxidants and vitamins from nutrion . Best delivery system for absoption. I am on lots of meds so it made sense. I feel healthy and good. Wait I am taking 1 vit folplex.....B6, B12 and folic acid for my ra.
Many years ago I took melatonin for insomia, it didn't work so I took anti-histamin and that worked Unisom i think. good luck
Hugs,
karen


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Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 10:48pm
Hi Jodie,

I take the same supplements that you ordered for your mum, except the bolswellia acid.  As far as the timing from the end of radiation, I don't know the answer to that.  Maybe you could ask her onc/radiologist if it's OK to take the supplements or if she should wait.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: Sugar77
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 10:52pm
Definately ask the oncologist.  I made sure I asked before I took anything during and afterward.  I asked both my rads onc and my rads nurse and they both said I could start supplements right away.  I decided to wait three weeks after my last treatment but that was a personal decision.

Sherri


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DX IDC TNBC Oct. 27, 2009, age at diagnosis 45, Stage 1, Grade 3, <1 cm, 0/2 nodes, lumpectomy, Taxotere/CytoxanX4, finished Feb. 8, 2010, radiation completed Apr. 21, 2010.


Posted By: nmunoz
Date Posted: Jun 17 2010 at 10:58pm
Hi Jodie,

During radiation I was taking 2000 iu of Vitamin D3, Calcium (700mg) and a supplement called Zyfalmend which is a blend of curcumin, green tea, reservatrol and other herbs which my accupuncturist prescribed. My radiologist oncolgist allowed me to take them during treatment. Once I finished radiation my oncologist gave me even more supplements which I now take: vitamin C, B complex, I increased my vitamin D to 5000 iu (my levels were low the last time they tested them...), niacin, magnesium, Co-Q10 and Selenium. On top of that I began taking EDGE's CAM this year as I consulted with my oncologist and he told me it was ok for me to do it (he believes in lifestyle/diet changes as prevention mechanisms he says that the best offense is a great defense so he also recommends increasing the intake of veggies and fruits, switching to whole grains, etc.) I am 33 and I take over 15 different supplements every day (more than twice the number of pills that my arthritic mom takes...) and so far I have not had any problems. I like to feel I am in control of something here ....

Best,

Natalia


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Natalia, 38 years

Dx TNBC 10/22/08, BRCA1+

Double Mx 11/20/08 with Recon.

3/37 nodes

Rads 7 weeks done 8/09

ACx4 every 2 weeks and Tx12 weeks. Avastin e/3 weeksx10 (Clinical Trial) Done Dec/09


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jun 30 2010 at 8:02pm
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 07 2010 at 10:36pm
I noticed Constantine has updated his Edge-CAM at the No Surrender website.  We are so fortunate to have someone like him to sift through all the research for us.  Thanks Gina for your wonderful site.  Here's the latest link:

http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4787198 - http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4787198


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: LRM216
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 10:45am
He is definitely a God-send, no doubt.  The trouble I have with his updates, is that I never know what the heck I am supposed to take or not take or how much of what.  It is so totally confusing to me.  I only wish I could find someone in the know to read it and write down - ok - now go get this and take this much, etc., etc.  On the other hand, if I just purchased everything he has written about, I would imagine I'd be taking at least 20 or more pills a day.  That I can't do either.  I once brought one of his updates to my onc visit and asked about taking all this and she didn't say one thing one way or the other, which despite the fact she has a fabulous curriculum vitae, and treats many triple negs, didn't make me feel any more comfortable about taking all that stuff.  
 
In other words, I am just sooooo totally confused by it all.  I presently take 2 calcium (Doctors Best) recommended by Edge), two 500 mg. curcumin (recommended by Edge) Vitamin D (2,500 units) and one baby aspirin (since the studies came out about slowing or eliminating recurrence), my low dose of Zaic for bp - and I can barely get that amount down each a.m.!  (Do they have to make the calcium bills the size they do - I still gag taking two of them!).
 
Oh well, I am now beginning to ramble..........
 
Linda


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Linda - diagnosed at age 62
Diag 2/23/09 IDC 1.2 cent. IDC right breast,Stage 1, Grade 3,0/1 nodes - Triple Neg
4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33


Posted By: CarynRose
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 10:58am
I was speaking to my naturopath about the size and the amount of pills and she told me that I could open the capsules into a dish of apple sauce.  I've done this for the past couple of days and an really loving it.  I'm doing Cucumin, Boswellia, CoEnzymeQ10, that way.  My pee is bright orange, but at least I can swallow the supplements.
 
Give it a try.
Cheers,
Caryn


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Orig dx 6/03 - St.2a, IDC
gr.3,0 nodes, TNBC/BRCA1+
7/07 St 4 mets to nodes/lungs. PACA/Rads NED 11/07-10/08
Lepto mets 10/08
Rads for 4 brain tumors 4/10.
Leptomets return 6/10


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:05am
Caryn, what a great idea! I know I used to make power pudding for my dad when he got constipated and would grind up his pills and add it to the goop, he loved it and it sure made taking meds a whole lot easier.
 
ps   "power pudding"   mixture of various dried fruits soaked in water and then simmered until water is absorbed, cooled, pureed in blender, refrigerated and then used either on toast, cereal or just by itself. Yummy and helps in the constipation area.
 


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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:38am
Caryn,

I like your suggestion.  Sometimes I think I take more pills that most older people.

Mainy,

Love the power pudding recipe!

PS:  Did you see his recommendation about blueberry juice?  Good news for us that love the stuff.

Donna




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: nmunoz
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 2:49pm
Thanks Donna for the update. Thanks Caryn for the tip. Thanks Mainy for the recipe. I hate to take so many pills but at least I feel I am doing something. Who said that popping pills is not a good way to fight?

Best to all,

Natalia

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Natalia, 38 years

Dx TNBC 10/22/08, BRCA1+

Double Mx 11/20/08 with Recon.

3/37 nodes

Rads 7 weeks done 8/09

ACx4 every 2 weeks and Tx12 weeks. Avastin e/3 weeksx10 (Clinical Trial) Done Dec/09


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:00pm
Besides CarynRose, does anyone else take Boswellic?  What about Parthenolide (Feverfew)? 

From the Edge-Cam, I take Curcuminoids, EGCG, D3, Selenium, Resveratrol and baby aspirin.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:33pm
can anyone help me, i got my mum some of the supplements from the edges cam but theres one im not sure about the rerverstarol? its says caution with combination ot taxol? does this mean if youve had this chemo recently? or not to take in while having this chemo?


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:41pm
jodie, my interpretation was not to take it while on Taxol. When in doubt I suggest waiting 6 weeks after your last chemo infusion before adding something like this, that was what my onc told me and I value his advice.

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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:45pm
Jodie,

I agree with Mainy's interpretation.  He cautioned using Resveratrol while getting Taxol or possibly any Taxane.

Donna


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: jodiel1
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:52pm
thank you, just wanted to check as i just looked back over it. She finished her chemo about 3 months ago. so i suppose it should be ok now x


Posted By: nmunoz
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 10:30pm
Hi Donna,

I'm taking the Boswellia and the Feverfew and the rest of the things you are taking except for the aspirin. In my oncologist's regimen (which adds about 12 pills to EDGE's) he recommends the aspirin to women over 35... I don't know why really and in fact I think I will start taking it as I'm turning 34 in September and it's basically the same thing. So far I have felt good and nothing strange from the Boswellia (which I always take with a spoonful of olive oil) and Feverfew. But, just so that you know the Boswellia can be tough on your stomach. I had my mom star taking it as she has rheumatoid arthritis and I read somewhere that it was good for that, but she was having a lot of heartburn so she had to stop it.

Best,

Natalia

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Natalia, 38 years

Dx TNBC 10/22/08, BRCA1+

Double Mx 11/20/08 with Recon.

3/37 nodes

Rads 7 weeks done 8/09

ACx4 every 2 weeks and Tx12 weeks. Avastin e/3 weeksx10 (Clinical Trial) Done Dec/09


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:14pm
Natalia,

Thanks for the info about Boswellia.  I've increased my Curcurmin intake to 3 pills a day (500 mg each).  I find that I need to spread it out and make sure I take them on a full stomach or I get stomach upset. 

It sounds like your oncologist is at the forefront for CAM.  My onc has never recommended anything.

Donna 


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: LRM216
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 10:41am
I'm with Donna - my onc is the same - she does not seem to regard any of this info from Edge that I excitedly bring in to her - to have any real merit (other than the baby aspirin).  When I asked her about the curcumin which I purchased - she explained the studies to me in such depth that I didn't even understand what the hay she was saying.  Since I already purchased them from the site Edge recommended, I am taking them anyway, like Donna - three a day - no stomach upset so I take them all together.  Don't know whether or not I will refill them when done since I probably need to take ALL that he recommends - and I can never tell from his reports just how much of what else needs to be taken.  My only fear is that I won't die of my triple neg breast cancer - but of an overdose of some Shasta daisy root dust or something!!!!!!!!  This is all so confusing to me, especially when I don't have an onc that feels the same as Edge does about these supplements.

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Linda - diagnosed at age 62
Diag 2/23/09 IDC 1.2 cent. IDC right breast,Stage 1, Grade 3,0/1 nodes - Triple Neg
4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 10:53am
For what it's worth, I saw this article on 30 tips to lower your risk of breast cancer.

http://www.breastcancerwellness.org/assets/30tips.pdf - http://www.breastcancerwellness.org/assets/30tips.pdf




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: LRM216
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 11:01am
Thanks, Donna - that is helpful!
 
Linda


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Linda - diagnosed at age 62
Diag 2/23/09 IDC 1.2 cent. IDC right breast,Stage 1, Grade 3,0/1 nodes - Triple Neg
4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33


Posted By: nmunoz
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 1:25pm
Hi Linda,

I you look at EDGE's CAM posts he does state there how thorough his research is and how his recommendations follow his research on the way the supplements interact with each other and with chemo drugs, etc. After reading that I feel pretty safe. I showed it to my oncologist, who thankfully is a full believer of CAM and making lifestyle changes to prevent cancer, and he basically told me to add it to his own regimen. He actually said that it wouldn't hurt and something along the lines of "bringing it on as we needed to use our heavy artillery to this fight."
One thing I would be very careful with is if you have any particular health issues like high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. that could be affected by the supplements. So see how you feel. I'm not a doctor but having said that I believe that listening to your body is the best thing you can do. So far I have felt great so I take this as my body approving of my new diet and supplements.

Best,

Natalia

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Natalia, 38 years

Dx TNBC 10/22/08, BRCA1+

Double Mx 11/20/08 with Recon.

3/37 nodes

Rads 7 weeks done 8/09

ACx4 every 2 weeks and Tx12 weeks. Avastin e/3 weeksx10 (Clinical Trial) Done Dec/09


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 11:35pm
Fish Oil Linked to Reduction in Breast Cancer Risk

A recent study suggests that regular use of fish oil supplements may reduce the risk of breast cancer. These findings were published in the journal of Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention. http://stlcancer.com/cancernews.aspx?section=cancernews&id=45007#_edn1 - [1]  

Dietary supplements are a booming business—Americans are spending approximately $25 billion a year to supplement their diets with products containing vitamins, herbs, and botanicals, as well as other supplements such as glucosamine, probiotics, and fish oils. A variety of studies have shown essential fatty acids to be beneficial; the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil—eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)—are especially good. Fish oil has previously been reported to reduce heart disease risk, making its implications in cancer prevention an area of interest. Researchers from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center recently evaluated what, if any, impact specialty supplements have on breast cancer risk.

In this study, more than 35,000 postmenopausal women completed a 24-page questionnaire to evaluate their use of non-vitamin, non-mineral “specialty” supplements. The women in this study did not have a history of breast cancer and did not have breast cancer when they enrolled in the study. During six years of follow-up, 880 study participants developed breast cancer. Of the specialty supplements used by the women in this study, only fish oil was associated with a reduced risk of breast cancer. Risk of breast cancer was 32% lower among women who regularly used fish oil supplements.

The results of this study will need to be confirmed by additional studies. The researchers note: “Fish oil is a potential candidate for chemoprevention studies. Until that time, it is not recommended for individual use for breast cancer prevention.” Because the full range of effects of many dietary supplements is not well understood, patients should talk with their doctor about any dietary supplements that they are using or considering.

Reference:


http://stlcancer.com/cancernews.aspx?section=cancernews&id=45007#_ednref1 - [1] Brasky TM, Lampe JW, Potter JD et al. Specialty Supplements and Breast Cancer Risk in the VITamins And Lifestyle (VITAL) Cohort, Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention. 2010; 19(7):1696–708.



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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 7:35pm

Vitamin C can curb cancer growth, say New Zealand researchers

Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)

07-26-10

Wellington (dpa) - Vitamin C can help curb the growth of cancer cells, according to New Zealand scientists who claim breakthrough research to provide the first real evidence of a connection between the vitamin and the development of tumours.

"Our results offer a promising and simple intervention to help in our fight against cancer at the level of both prevention and cure," Associate Professor Margreet Vissers, of the University of Otago's Free Radical Research Group, said recently.

She said the role of vitamin C in cancer treatment had been the subject of debate for years, with many anecdotal accounts of the vitamin's beneficial role.

While her previous research had demonstrated the vitamin's importance in maintaining cell health and hinted at its potential for limiting diseases such as cancer, the latest study looked at whether vitamin C levels were lowered in patients with endometrial tumours.

She said the study found that tumours were less able to accumulate vitamin C compared with normal healthy tissue and that this related to the ability of the tumour to survive and grow.

"Tumours with low vitamin C levels had more of a protein called HIF-1 which allows them to thrive in conditions of stress," she said.

"The findings are significant as they show, for the first time, a direct relationship between HIF-1 and vitamin C levels in tumours and suggest it would be beneficial for people with cancer cells to have more vitamin C."

"This could help limit the rate of tumour growth, increase the responsiveness to chemotherapy and may prevent the formation of solid tumours."

Details of the research are published in the latest edition of the Cancer Research journal.

Copyright 2010 dpa Deutsche Presse-Agentur GmbH



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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 8:43pm
Donna, thank you for posting these wonderful articles.  They are very intriguing and educational.  


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 9:21pm
"Strive in STRESS" ha, I knew it!
Thanks Donna, great catch. I'm going over to look at the LInus Pauling Institute to see if they've picked up on as as he was such a great proponent of Vit C.


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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 9:36pm
Thank you.  While the article just said more Vitamin C it doesn't tell us a recommended dose.  I wish there were more details in the article about the study.

On a different CAM subject - I've asked how to increase my WBC since it's been on the lower side following chemo.  Three vitamins recommended (for immuno-stimulatory) are Folic Acid, B12 and Vitamin C (Ester C form).


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 9:38pm
Mainy,

Yes, the "stress" part really worries me.  I have so much of it in my life right now.  Yikes, where is that Vitamin C?


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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 27 2010 at 9:51pm

I'll be danged if I can figure out how to process stress better and yet Iknow it's tremendously important. I've been working on it alot lately and I wish we could both figure it out as I'm not inclined to go through another bout...



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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Jul 28 2010 at 10:26am
If anyone figures out how to process stress better please let us know....

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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Jul 28 2010 at 8:24pm
I find that spending time with my pets or tending to my wildlife feeders and water basins completely take me away from anything that hurts or stresses me.  When you see how wildlife struggles to survive, the concentrated life force that they are, it gives a huge perspective.  My world of "stuff" and petty stresses stop dominating the space.


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: Jul 28 2010 at 10:23pm
I might be looking for a puppy soon to help with all this stress.  

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 11:01am
I think pets are wonderful, Donna you will have to share with us when you get a new puppy, how exciting.
 
I do have a small dog, Sugar, who is my buddy.
 
MsBliss, I love your ideas.  We actually live in the woods, have the tick and chigger war every summer so it is difficult to go outside which frustrates me.  I too have a bird bath and feeders, we have deer coming around so we feed them corn.  It's so enjoyable if you can get out there, otherwise it is thru the window for me.
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: tnbcsucks
Date Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 11:22am
volunteer...there are reports out there that say if you volunteer one hour a week it helps to reduce the stress in your life!  worth a try!  It does bring great pleasure when I volunteer, that I've given back to others and our community!

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TNBC DX April, 2010,Lumpectomy May 3.5cm with clear nodes,Stage 2, Grade III Started Chemo on June 7: 4 A/C every other week and then 12 weeks of Taxol. followed by 6 weeks of radiation.


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 3:31pm
I am working personally on recognizing stress and paying better attention to my emotions. I find that if I try and keep my emotions at arm's length they have a tendency to rot off my arm. So instead I've begun several mantras one of which is 'emotions are my friend, my messengers, my warriors, they help me know myself and give me strength'
 
I find if I follow through on the mantra and try to daily know my fears, talk to my emotions and let them do their job that my stress level is much much less. It's when I try and put on a brave face or when I say something stupid like, yes I had a good checkup but I can have a bad one tomorrow, that I get myself into a see saw and don't even recognize happiness when it comes knocking. It's work making sure I process the feelings, and I always promise myself that I don't have to come up with answers, I just have to listen...but the work seems to give strength to my day.
 
ps, puppies live in the moment and they will let you share it with them!


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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: MsBliss
Date Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 7:11pm
Yes, Pam, the ticks and fleas really ruin it for everyone!  We had a bad year of infestations last year, then this year, something happened.  For some reason, the parasite issue faded this year.  The Nature Rehab Center said that maybe the healthier the wild animals are, the fewer parasites.  We also put up some Owl and Bat Boxes. 

Anyway, one night, coyote puppies were playing in our front yard and in the morning, both mine and my husband's right sandals, which we leave outside our front door, were gone.  It was no mean feat for those little puppies to carry off my husband's size 13 sandal either!  And they were his favorite sandals!  Then, the next night, they came back and took both of our left sandals!  Now, one month later, during the night, they left somebody else's blue garden clog on our door mat!  And it was my size!!!!! 

Talk about door to door service!





Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Jul 31 2010 at 12:50pm
Mainy you are so wise.  You make some great points and this coming from a gal who has sisters who are ill so you must have your moments of stress and fear moreso than many of us, thank you for sharing..
 
 
MsBliss, I had to giggle about the coyote puppies and the shoes, how funny!  Loved it when I got to the end and a shoe, not yours but your size was brought back!  Ah the wild life..
 
I think what happened with your infestation is it came to our house this year, they seem worse but are always a problem.  We spray around the house but have an outside dog who gets the ticks and lays around on the back porch.  When you go to the car or back to the house I feel like running, those little burgers are so fast, get on your shoes.  I can't run, especially on rock and bricks.  Not a pretty picture, lol.
 
It seems odd in a way to try spraying around a house in the middle of the woods for crying out loud, like it is going to work??
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: mainsailset
Date Posted: Jul 31 2010 at 3:02pm
We have our share of ticks here and so I use Frontline on the dogs all summer long and can report no ticks at all. I ran into a woman hiking last Fall who said she had gotten deer/tick fever from a bite and I thought, oh yeah, that's what I need on top of everything else. Fortunately, the few run ins I've had with ticks personally have been when I shook my clothes out.
 
Coyote pups are a piece of work aren't they?


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dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Jul 31 2010 at 5:34pm
We do the same with our dogs.  I don't do tick bites well, have had two bites surgically removed, they get infected and had the Rocky Mountain Fever earlier this summer.
 
Yes when you come in you have to do a tick check.
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+



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