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    Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 2:43pm
Hi everyone,
 
I have not posted in quite a while as I was finishing up chemo and the ECOG avastin trials and was hospitalized for 10 days due to fluid and inflamation in lungs  and I could not breathe. I was told by oncology that it would be perfectly ok for me to resume my methotrexate regimen for RA. I will never take my lungs for granted again!
 
I was informed that the study was closed due to 3 % getting CHF now I'm scared.
Therefore I am no longer able to get chemo and avastin but I was 80% completed anyway.
 
Radiation is coming for 8 weeks  once I am better. I have been invited to join a zometa and
bisphosphonates as adjuvant therapy off label clinical trial phase 111.  the generic names for the meds are clodronate and ibandronate. I ma not particularly trustful to eneter another study tho. This one  is to see if these drugs will prevent mets to my bones, they are also osteoporosis meds like boniva.
 
Any advice will be deeply appreciated about your experience with these meds.
 
 
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Karen,

So glad to hear that you're feeling better.  There have been several posts on the Bisphosonates Clinical Trial.  I don't think the search button works anymore, but I know there have been posts on this subject in the last month or so.  There are several people on this site participating in the clinical trial.  I plan on joining the trial this month also.  I just had exchange surgery this week and waiting until I feel a little better before signing up for the trial.  I'll probably do it next week sometime.  Right now the study is open to 2 of the 3 arms:  Clodronate or Zometa. 

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Karen,

Check out this post:

Topic: Bisphosphonates Clinical Trial
    Posted: 01 Nov 2009 at 5:07pm

There was some good information posted on this topic.  I don't think the search button works but you can go through the pages until you reach November 1, 2009 date and look for the post.

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This is an excerpt from the San ANtonio Breast Cancer Symposium:The afternoon session focused on using biomarkers to make treatment decisions. One researcher described a new marker for triple-negative tumors that might one day be a target for a new drug treatment. We also got an early peak at data from a clinical study that compared women on an aromatase inhibitor (AI) who took zoledronic acid (brand name zometa) immediately with those on an AI who began taking zometa only if their bone density went down. The findings suggested that zoledronic acid not only improved bone density, but seemed to decrease recurrence as well. Asked whether this was practice changing, the presenter responded, “No, it is too early, and the numbers of events are too small for us to be sure.” One woman in the study developed jaw necrosis from the drug. There is no free lunch. Still it is very interesting that osteoporosis drugs have effects on breast cancer. Another interesting observation to ponder.

I have been taking Zometa once a month since July 1, 2009. Hopeing it prevents any recurrence.


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Hi Karen,
Amazing! Wife is on ECOG 5103 and considering the SWOG 0307 (bisphosphonates) strongly!


Wife Dx: Jul/09. Age: 37. Size: 3cm. BRCA: -ve. Lumpectomy: Aug/09. Micromet 1/9 node. Chemo Start: Sep/09. E5103. DD ACB-> DD Abraxane (Taxol reaction). Zometa (S0307). Canadian Fraction Rads.
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Hi Karen,

ECOG 5103 study is not closed. The only change is that new patients are not being enrolled. If you were already on it, you have the choice of continuing or stopping.



Wife Dx: Jul/09. Age: 37. Size: 3cm. BRCA: -ve. Lumpectomy: Aug/09. Micromet 1/9 node. Chemo Start: Sep/09. E5103. DD ACB-> DD Abraxane (Taxol reaction). Zometa (S0307). Canadian Fraction Rads.
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I will be getting annual Zometa to help improve my osteopenia... after my surgery and checkups.. we will start the Femara again, and do the zometa.  
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Hi All,
I was all gung-ho to participate in the osteoprosis study but found an article regarding a past Zometa study on the Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation site that is making me rethink participating.

In the article, she states that the group studies was premenopausal with hormone-positive can and all had an oophorectomy or have been put into temp menopause. So she states that the findings may not "hold true for hormone negative cancers which are less likely to spread to the bone".

Does anyone have any other information regarding this? I am going to see my onc on Tuesday to discuss radiation and further studies. Now I am not sure 'bout this study....

diane
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Thank you for all the responses. The one about the jaw necrocis is a bad thing....many other things happen too. I would have to take the meds for 3 years.   Not so sure after the lung inflamation as that was attributed to the chemo w/ my methotrexate regimen. I was told  no more chemo for you.
the study eligibility is ending Nov 11th for me.
Just don't know............
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As far as I can tell the studies have been with hormone pos. This summary does give indications at the lab level of why it might work for distant mets overall and not just bone. I guess one just has to gather all the data, weigh your options, discuss with onc. and make the best choice you can as I truly believe it is at the study level and there are many questions yet to be answered, especially for us tn's. I agree it is not an easy decision to make. Hope this helps. This study is also supported dollars wise by Novartis (makes zometa). I sure wish they had targeted therapy for tn but until then we have limited options when we finish primary treatment.

Donna



Three Trials Support Evidence Of Zometa(R) Anticancer Benefit In Pre- And Post-Menopausal Women With Early-stage Breast Cancer

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New data from three clinical trials show ZometaŽ (zoledronic acid) reduced the risk of local and distant recurrence in pre- and post-menopausal women with early-stage breast cancer. Investigators reported on the studies this week in Stockholm at the 33rd Annual Congress of the European Society for Medical Oncology (ESMO), the primary European professional organization representing medical oncologists. 

The new data add to a growing body of research suggesting that ZometaŽ may help protect patients against the return and spread of early-stage cancer. They include results from the Austrian Breast & Colorectal Cancer Study Group Trial 12 (ABCSG-12), a Phase III study in which the addition of ZometaŽ to endocrine therapy demonstrated a 33% reduction in risk of disease-free survival events in premenopausal patients (P = 0.02),1 and the Phase III Z-FAST/ZO-FAST trial, which studied the effect of ZometaŽ on aromatase inhibitor-associated bone loss in postmenopausal women who were receiving FemaraŽ (letrozole) after surgery for early breast cancer.2 Results of a pilot study in patients receiving a variety of presurgical and postsurgical therapies also were presented. 

"The evidence for the anticancer effect of zoledronic acid is building," said Hugh O'Dowd, Oncology Business Unit Head for Novartis in the UK. "These data further suggest that zoledronic acid significantly reduces the risk of breast cancer recurrence in this patient population and may represent a new treatment option." 

According to Cancer Research UK, each year approximately 12,000 women die from breast cancer in the UK each year.3 Moreover, the incidence of breast cancer in the UK has risen by 13% in the last ten years.3

Approximately one-third of women with hormone-sensitive, early breast cancer experience a recurrence with the majority appearing in other organs and tissues. These distant recurrences, or metastases, are the primary cause of death from breast cancer, with 60% of women dying within five years. 

ZometaŽ is a treatment for the prevention or delay of skeletal-related events (SREs) in patients with advanced malignancies involving bone across a broad range of tumours. Laboratory research had suggested that ZometaŽ may also help protect patients from the spread of cancer to other parts of the body (distant metastatic sites) and help keep patients recurrence-free. 

Laboratory research has suggested that ZometaŽ may also have anticancer effects, including helping to protect against the return and spread of cancer before it reaches an advanced stage. A tumour passes through six stages on its path to metastasising (spreading). In the laboratory, ZometaŽ has been shown to make passage through these stages more difficult by inhibiting angiogenesis (formation of blood vessels that grow and feed cancer cells), stimulating cancer-fighting T-cells, inducing tumour cell apoptosis (programmed cell death) and increasing the activity of anticancer agents that target tumour cell metastases.4

A growing number of clinical studies are examining the potential anticancer impact of ZometaŽ. One of the largest of these studies, AZURE (Adjuvant Zoledronic acid to redUce REcurrence), has completed enrollment. The study will evaluate the impact of ZometaŽ in reducing risk of cancer recurrence in 3,360 premenopausal and postmenopausal women with Stage II/III breast cancer. 

References

1. Gnant M, Mlineritsch B, Schippinger W, et al. Zoledronic acid improves disease-free and recurrence-free survival in premenopausal women with early breast cancer (ERBC) receiving adjuvant endocrine therapy: multivariate analysis of efficacy data from ABCSG-12. [ABSTRACT # 690, ESMO DATA] 

2. Frassoldati A, Brufsky A, Bundred N, et al. The effect of Zoledronic acid on aromatase inhibitor associated bone loss in postmenopausal women with early breast cancer (EBC) receiving adjuvant letrozole: 24 months integrated follow-up of the Z-FAST/ZO-FAST trials. [ABSTRACT # 185PD, ESMO DATA] 

3. Cancer Research UK (last visited 27/05/08).http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/breast/

4. Mundy, GR, et al. Metastases to bone: causes, consequences and therapeutic opportunities. Nature Reviews Cancer. 2002;2:584-593. 

5. Lin AY, Park JW, Scott J, et al. Adjuvant zoledronic acid therapy decreases the prevalence of disseminated tumor cells in bone marrow of patients with early-stage breast cancer: 2-year results. J Clin Oncol 26: 2008: abstract # 559

Study details

Results from the Austrian Breast & Colorectal Cancer Study Group Trial 12 (ABCSG-12), demonstrated that ZometaŽ improved disease-free and recurrence-free survival in 1,801 premenopausal women with early breast cancer receiving adjuvant (post-surgery) endocrine therapy with goserelin in combination with anastrozole or tamoxifen. This new multivariate analysis showed that the addition of ZometaŽ to endocrine therapy significantly reduced the risk of disease-free survival (DFS) events by 33% (P = 0.02) and recurrence-free survival events by 32% (P = 0.03) compared with endocrine therapy alone.1 These results differ from an analysis presented at the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) annual meeting in June, which did not evaluate the impact of specific factors (tumor stage, tumor grade, lymph node involvement and progesterone receptor status) on the treatment groups. 

Results from the Z-FAST/ZO-FAST trial further support the conclusion that ZometaŽ may reduce the risk of recurrence. The study examined the effect of ZometaŽ on aromatase inhibitor-associated bone loss in 1,667 postmenopausal women with early breast cancer receiving letrozole after surgery. Participants were randomized to receive either upfront therapy with ZometaŽ or delayed treatment with ZometaŽ after researchers detected bone loss. The primary endpoint of the study was change in lumbar spine bone mineral density after one year. Patients were also followed for disease recurrence (secondary endpoint), among other variables. In this 24-month integrated analysis of the trials, 3.6% of women who received upfront ZometaŽ before symptoms of bone loss experienced disease recurrence (defined as local recurrence, distant metastasis or death), versus 5.5% of women who received delayed ZometaŽ after showing symptoms of bone loss. In a stratified analysis, upfront ZometaŽ significantly decreased the risk of DFS events by 43% (P = .0183).2

Data from the third clinical trial, a pilot study in 45 women with early-stage breast cancer, suggested that ZometaŽ therapy decreases the prevalence of disseminated tumor cells in the bone marrow. At the two-year follow-up, 71% (12/17) of evaluable patients had a decrease in disseminated cancer cells (P = 0.01). In patients with early-stage breast cancer, disseminated tumour cells in the bone marrow are associated with distant recurrence and death.5 The study is ongoing and additional data will be necessary to determine if the results become statistically significant. 

About ZometaŽ

ZometaŽ is indicated for the treatment of prevention of skeletal related events (pathological fractures, spinal compression, radiation or surgery to bone, or tumour-induced hypercalcaemia) in patients with advanced malignancies involving bone. ZometaŽ is approved and indicated for the treatment of patients with multiple myeloma and patients with documented bone metastases from solid tumours, in conjunction with standard antineoplastic therapy. An intravenous bisphosphonate, ZometaŽ is the only therapy to demonstrate efficacy in reducing or delaying bone complications across a broad range of tumour types such as breast, prostate, lung and renal cell cancers in patients with metastatic disease when administered monthly. ZometaŽ offers patients, nurses and clinicians a convenient 4 mg, 15-minute infusion. 

Important safety information

In clinical studies, the safety profile with ZometaŽ was similar to that of pamidronate. ZometaŽ has been associated with reports of renal insufficiency. Patients should have serum creatinine assessed prior to receiving each dose of ZometaŽ. Caution is advised when ZometaŽ is used in aspirin-sensitive patients, or with aminoglycosides, loop diuretics, and other potentially nephrotoxic drugs. Due to the risk of clinically significant deterioration in renal function, single doses of ZometaŽ should not exceed 4 mg and the duration of infusion should be no less than 15 minutes in 100 ml of diluent. 

In clinical trials in patients with bone metastases and hypercalcaemia of malignancy (HCM), ZometaŽ had a safety profile similar to other intravenous bisphosphonates. The most commonly reported adverse events included flu-like syndrome (fever, arthralgias, myalgias, skeletal pain), fatigue, gastrointestinal reactions, anaemia, weakness, cough, dyspnoea and oedema. ZometaŽ should not be used during pregnancy. ZometaŽ is contraindicated in patients with clinically significant hypersensitivity to zoledronic acid or other bisphosphonates, or any of the excipients in the formulation of ZometaŽ.

Osteonecrosis of the Jaw (ONJ): ONJ has been reported in patients with cancer receiving treatment including bisphosphonates, chemotherapy, and/or corticosteroids. The majority of reported cases have been associated with dental procedures such as tooth extraction. A dental examination with appropriate preventive dentistry should be considered prior to treatment with bisphosphonates in patients with concomitant risk factors. While on treatment, these patients should avoid invasive dental procedures if possible. No data are available to suggest whether discontinuation of bisphosphonate therapy reduces the risk of ONJ in patients requiring dental procedures.
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I just read the trial study info and it sounds like it might not be for me. It causes arthritis and if you have not had your rf blood work ever done you may wind like I did and get RA. Mine was from using a statin drug as the primary doc felt the need to lower chlolesterol and write a lot of scrips that day. Blood pressure etc. 
 Actually the risks in SWOG study seem bad and some are so painful and irreversible if you should be so unfortunate as to get any of them because you would be taking a high dosage and for 3 years.. This one I will pass.
 
 
 
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Is there anything approaching a consensus re whether the benefits of Zometa outweigh the costs and risks?
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Billy,

Have you seen these threads?

There's been some discussion about Zometa and Bisphosphonates in general.  Here's a link to a thread on the topic:

http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/bisphosphonates-clinical-trial-any-info_topic4591.html?KW=bisphosphonates

http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/zometa_topic5134_page1.html

http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/bisphosphonates-clinical-trial_topic5110_page1.html?KW=bisphosphonates

I'm in a clinical trial but was assigned to the Clodronate arm. 

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Thanks, Donna!
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Billy,

One more thread.   There's been a lot of discussion about this on breastcancer.org also. Here's a link to that topic:

http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/6/topic/729712

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Are you TNBC? I was told that Femara was only for those that are NOT triple negative.
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I was 5% ER+... so technically I am TNBC... however, my onc believes that if  you are more than 1% ER+, you are not totally TNBC and you might get some advantage from the Femara..  since no one really seems to know.. I said why not do it...  some say you are TNBC if your ER+ is under 30%, some say under 15%, and two onc told me if you are more than 1%... but that the lower the percent, the more you are TNBC... so who really knows >
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