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Donna, after the interesting articles lately on the reuteri probiotics I did start to take one. The first thing I noticed, almost immediately, was that I stopped having heartburn in the middle of hte night (a gift from months on chemo). The reuteri seems to have so many benefits and I do think it makes sense that 90% of our immune system comes from a healthy gut, it only makes sense that that would be tied to the D as well.
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Whether you're newly diagnosed, currently in treatment or finished treatment, it's important to know your Vitamin D level.  Most of us were deficient in Vitamin D when diagnosed.  This is one number we should know, just like cholesterol and blood pressure.  If you haven't been tested, ask your doctor to test your blood for Vitamin D.


Higher vitamin D levels correlated with improved breast cancer prognosis

An article published online on October 9, 2013 in Breast Cancer Research and Treatment reports the results of a meta-analysis conducted by Canadian researchers which found an association between higher serum levels of vitamin D and better prognosis for women with early stage breast cancer.

For their analysis, Pamela J. Goodwin of the University of Toronto and her colleagues selected eight studies involving a total of 5,691 women diagnosed with breast cancer from 1973 to 2010. Blood samples were collected, on average, within 90 days of diagnosis or shortly before treatment. Deficient levels of vitamin D were uncovered in 38.6% of the subjects. 

When the lowest versus highest categories of serum vitamin D were compared in a pooled analysis, women whose levels were low had a risk of recurrence that was more than double that of subjects whose levels were high and a risk of death that was 76% higher.  The authors remark that vitamin D, when activated, can alter the transcription and expression of specific genes, resulting in growth arrest, apoptosis, aromatase suppression, decreased inflammation, and inhibition of angiogenesis, invasion and metastasis, all of which help combat cancer. 

“These findings support an association of low levels of vitamin D with increased risk of recurrence and death in early stage breast cancer patients,” the authors conclude.  “Given the observational nature of the included studies, it cannot be concluded that this association is causal. Further research is warranted to investigate the potential beneficial effects of vitamin D in breast cancer.”

 http://www.lef.org/whatshot/2013_10.htm?utm_source=DailyHealthBulletin&utm_medium=email&utm_term=WhatsHot&utm_content=Body+Title&utm_campaign=DHB_131012&l=0#Higher-vitamin-D-levels-correlated-with-improved-breast-cancer-prognosis

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Do you know your Vitamin D level?

A Vitamin D Report from Mayo Clinic

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(13)00404-7/fulltext#sec13
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Why does the Vitamin D Council recommend 5,000 IU/day?

Where did the Vitamin D Council get its recommendation that adults take 5,000 IU/day of vitamin D3 for the rest of their life? The Institute of Medicine’s Food and Nutrition Board say 600 IU/day is enough for adults and the Endocrine Society says 2,000 IU/day is enough for most adults.

We think the safest thing to do while all the research is going on is to maintain natural vitamin D levels. By natural, we mean those levels obtained by those with natural sun exposure, such as lifeguards, some roofers and gardeners, and others who work in the sun and expose a lot of skin to sunshine. This is how our ancestors behaved throughout our evolutionary history.

The best study that examined the vitamin D levels of people who get plenty of sun exposure was published last year. Researchers discovered that free-living hunter gatherers living around the African equator (where humans evolved) have average vitamin D levels of 46 ng/ml (115 nmol/L).

Luxwolda MF, Kuipers RS, Kema IP, Dijck-Brouwer DA, Muskiet FA. Traditionally living populations in East Africa have a mean serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration of 115 nmol/l. Br J Nutr. 2012 Nov 14;108(9):1557-61.

Most people will not have their blood tested unless their doctor recommends it. So we needed a recommended dose that:

  • Is easy to obtain at most pharmacies.
  • Will get at least 97% of people above 30 ng/ml.
  • Will get most people above 40 ng/ml, and close to around 50 ng/ml.
  • Will not cause anyone to get toxic levels.

When we decided on a recommendation with the four goals above in mind, we also had to take into account body weight. Besides genetics, body weight is the single biggest determinate of vitamin D levels. The more you weigh, the more vitamin D you need to take.

Professor Robert Heaney of Creighton University details in the study below just how high vitamin D supplementation/input needs to be to reach the vitamin D level goals above.

Drincic AT, Armas LA, Van Diest EE, Heaney RP. Volumetric dilution, rather than sequestration best explains the low vitamin D status of obesity. Obesity (Silver Spring). 2012 Jul;20(7):1444-8. doi: 10.1038/oby.2011.404.

Together with his coauthors, Professor Heaney stated that for a normal weight adult, 5,000 IU/day of total input was needed to obtain a vitamin D level of 40 ng/ml. Of course the final vitamin D level obtained by any dose depends on baseline level, sun exposure and genetics. But he was speaking of the average adult.

For those who want a more careful calculation, he stated his data showed that 70-80 IU/day/kg of body weight total input is needed to obtain a 25(OH)D of 40 ng/ml. That works out to about 35 IU/day/pound. So a 100 pound woman would need 3,500 IU/day of total input but a 300 pound lineman would need 10,500 IU/day. Keep in mind this is total input, which includes sunlight, diet and supplements.

Taking all these factors into account, we conclude a recommendation of 5,000 IU/day is about right for the average adult.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/blog/why-does-the-vitamin-d-council-recommend-5000-iuday/

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Interesting Donna. My inbox this morning had a research piece that connected a receptor mechanism for D to bc. It got me to thinking (because the abstract didn't get into it) that since many Tnegs exhibit low levels of D it may be a consequence of not just inadequate sun exposure but also we may have sort of missing/damaged/malfunctioning element in our systems that means our bodies are not absorbing the D.

In that regard, I suppose if my non professional assumption was on track, Tneg's should take more D than say non Tneg's... Of course the study may also lead to the discovery that we don't absorb/utilize D at all which puts the supplements into the no good category.
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Just found this in my inbox   http://www.mdlinx.com/oncology/newsl-article.cfm/5006025/?news_id=562&newsdt=121813&utm_source=DailyNL&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_content=General-Article&utm_campaign=article-section
   The abstract is pointing toward the use in post menaupausal women of D with a script and calcium. It shows that the "D" did not seem to impact the occurrence of cancer.
   The key here is the wording of SCRIPT which, as we have found out, translates into D2, which is not the optimum form of D we should be taking. Anytime a doctor offers a script it will be the D2 and it's just not the one that is the workhorse of the family.
   So the reason I posted this is to let newcomers know that a script from a conscientious doctor who's trying to help may sound like a good choice, but it's not. Get the D3 over the counter! Just sayin
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My Doctor suggested me to take Vitamin D3 after 3 moths of chemo sessions. Instead of Vitamin D1 and Vitamin D2 my doctor asked me to have D3 supplements which keeps me feel better.
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Remember you want Vitamin D3, not D2
New research suggests vitamin D2 could lead to higher muscle damage after weight lifting

Results from a new study show that vitamin D2 may not be beneficial to muscle health in athletes.

There is ongoing study about the difference in effects of vitamin D3 versus vitamin D2 on human health. Vitamin D3 is the form of vitamin D that humans produce from sun exposure. Vitamin D2 is a form of vitamin D produced by certain plant species, like mushrooms. Supplement manufacturers make both kinds, but vitamin D3 is more commonly produced and found on store shelves.

In recent years, researchers have found that vitamin D3 may be more beneficial of the two and have questioned the use of vitamin D2.

To read more:  http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitamin-d-news/new-research-suggests-vitamin-d2-could-lead-to-higher-muscle-damage-after-weight-lifting/


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Thank you Donna for your posts--the info is always so valuable. 
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Thank you MsBiss!  Hope you are doing well.


Study on Vitamin D and MS.  "What they suspect is that vitamin D has some effect on the immune system."



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I had a blood test about 3 years ago and it came back low in D.  I live in Arizona so I think I get loads of natural D.  I did buy the D3 and was not very good at taking it.  It was hit or miss for me (I'm terrible at taking pills!)  I wish I would have known the importance of it.  I'm mad at myself for not taking it regularly.  I have been taking it every day since diagnosed.  I have been preaching to all my friends and sisters to take it.  I found the D3 5K at Costco.  
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sweetjam,

Most of us have know idea we are deficient in vitamin d.  I remember 4 1/2 years ago I was in treatment and found this great forum.  Nancy and others were preaching about Vitamin D and getting tested.  After my treatment ended I got tested for Vitamin D and found out I was very deficient.  I'm so happy the great women on this forum nudged me and shared the importance of getting your levels up.  It took several months but slowly I got my levels to normal.  Personally I think all doctors should check our Vitamin D levels yearly.  I see more of them doing it now vs several years ago so maybe they're getting the message.  Vitamin D3 is so inexpensive and like you I get mine at Costco or Sam's.  
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For anyone just diagnosed or currently going through treatment, please ask for a Vitamin D test if you don't know your current level.  

Vitamin D Increases Breast Cancer Patient Survival 

Breast cancer patients with high levels of vitamin D in their blood are twice as likely to survive the disease as women with low levels of this nutrient, report University of California, San Diego School of Medicine researchers in the March issue of Anticancer Research.

In previous studies, Cedric F. Garland, DrPH, professor in the Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, showed that low vitamin D levels were linked to a high risk of premenopausal breast cancer. That finding, he said, prompted him to question the relationship between 25-hydroxyvitamin D — a metabolite produced by the body from the ingestion of vitamin D — and breast cancer survival rates.

Garland and colleagues performed a statistical analysis of five studies of 25-hydroxyvitamin D obtained at the time of patient diagnosis and their follow-up for an average of nine years. Combined, the studies included 4,443 breast cancer patients.

“Vitamin D metabolites increase communication between cells by switching on a protein that blocks aggressive cell division,” said Garland. “As long as vitamin D receptors are present tumor growth is prevented and kept from expanding its blood supply. Vitamin D receptors are not lost until a tumor is very advanced. This is the reason for better survival in patients whose vitamin D blood levels are high.”

Women in the high serum group had an average level of 30 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in their blood. The low group averaged 17 ng/ml. The average level in patients with breast cancer in the United States is 17 ng/ml.

“The study has implications for including vitamin D as an adjuvant to conventional breast cancer therapy,” said co-author Heather Hofflich, DO, UC San Diego associate professor in the Department of Medicine.

Garland recommended randomized controlled clinical trials to confirm the findings but suggested physicians consider adding vitamin D into a breast cancer patient’s standard care now and then closely monitor the patient.

“There is no compelling reason to wait for further studies to incorporate vitamin D supplements into standard care regimens since a safe dose of vitamin D needed to achieve high serum levels above 30 nanograms per milliliter has already been established,” said Garland.

A 2011 meta-analysis by Garland and colleagues estimated that a serum level of 50 ng/ml is associated with 50 percent lower risk of breast cancer. While there are some variations in absorption, those who consume 4,000 International Units (IU) per day of vitamin D from food or a supplement normally would reach a serum level of 50 ng/ml. Garland urged patients to ask their health care provider to measure their levels before substantially increasing vitamin D intake.

According to the National Institutes of Health, the current recommended daily allowance for vitamin D is 600 IU for adults and 800 IU for people over 70 years old.

Additional contributors to the study include first author Sharif B. Mohr and June Kim, Science Applications International Corporation; and Edward D. Gorham, UCSD Department of Family and Preventive Medicine.

Funding for the study was provided, in part, by a Congressional allocation to the Penn State Cancer Institute of the Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, PA, through a cooperative research agreement.

http://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2014-03-06-vitamin-D-and-breast-cancer-survival.aspx

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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273728.php?tw

High levels of vitamin D 'may halve breast cancer fatality'

The team found that women who had high levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in their blood had around a 50% lower fatality rate, compared with women who had low levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in their blood.

Explaining why he believes vitamin D decreases fatality rates for breast cancer patients, Prof. Garland says that vitamin D metabolites increase communication between cells by activating a protein that halts aggressive cell division.

"As long as vitamin D receptors are present, tumor growth is prevented and kept from expanding its blood supply," he adds.

"Vitamin D receptors are not lost until a tumor is very advanced. This is the reason for better survival in patients whose vitamin D blood levels are high."

But the researchers point out that these findings could be a result of reverse causation. They explain that in more serious breast cancer cases, it is possible that 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels were reduced, therefore causing early death.

"If that were so, 25-hydroxyvitamin D could be a biomarker for severity of cancer, rather than a factor that caused longer survival," they add.

They say this possibility could be ruled out with further clinical trials.

'No reason why people should not increase vitamin D intake immediately'

The National Institutes of Health recommend that adults up to the age of 70 should have a vitamin D intake of 600 IU each day, while those over 70 should have 800 IU each day.

Although Prof. Garland says further research is needed to confirms the team's findings, he believes there is no reason why people should not increase their vitamin D intake now, after confirming with their health care provider that it is safe to do so.

He refers to a study he conducted in 2011, which found that a 50 ng/ml level of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in the blood - a level that can be reached with an intake of 4,000 international units (IU) of vitamin D a day - reduces breast cancer risk by 50%.

The investigators say that based on their findings, patients with the disease may benefit from having 25-hydroxyvitamin D blood concentrations measured and adjusted to within normal range (30-80 ng/ml).

Study co-author Prof. Heather Hofflich, of UC San Diego School of Medicine, adds:

"The study has implications for including vitamin D as an adjuvant to conventional breast cancer therapy."

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Great studies, I just wish that they would specify that it's D3 that we need to be supplementing with.
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Thanks so much for this info. I am newly diagnosed TNBC and new to this website. My primary physician did full blood work on me about two years ago and added the test for Vitamin D. I came back at a 14. He promptly put me on 2,00IU of D3 daily and did a recheck in 3 months. I was up to 21. He told me to figure on taking it forever. He was checking because my mom had osteoporosis. My bone density scan came back showing I have osteopenia, and am at risk to follow in my mother's footsteps. Now I have doubled my dose at the recommendation of my breast surgeon. I live in AZ and we are always being warned about sun exposure. Ha!
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That should read 2,000 IU :)
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Hi Lily, I found that I needed to bump my intake up to 4,000 IU to get it up over 35. For awhile after chemo I actually went up to 8,000 IU until the test came back at 60 which is where I wanted it to be. But I've been coasting on the 4,000 for over 3 years now and it seems to maintain my level, but I live in a cold cloudy clime unlike your sunny Arizona. For me, the important part was to get the D level up so it was helping my body function at its best. Best of luck to you and Welcome!
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Does anyone know if there is such a thing as too much vitamin D? If so, what are the side effects of too much?
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