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It took three days for the sores to come, but then my mouth exploded! As soon as I called, they phoned in the RX, but I do wonder why they thought I might be the 1 in 1,000 patient not to get them.
Nancy, thanks for the tip on sore joints. My lower back is throbbing. I'll try the moist heat. What about the D3? Are there any studies at all on its effectiveness?
 
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Minnie,
 
Again. I must  tell you that you have to speak to your onc about vitamins, but if it were me I would say sc*** them, but...it is not me!! Just nothing on the days that I mentioned. You really have to get that book that I have now mentioned at least 100 times...Anti Cancer, bu David Servan-Schreiber, He talks about the NK...natural killer cells that we all have and how they work. He had brain cancer twice, and took everything while on chemo.
 
D3 plays a very huge roll in our overall health, and it has to do with our immune system. I have posted so many articles on the news forum as to exactly what it does, and yet I know that many of you are just too ill to go there and read. There is one on the first page. In fact, I just posted a link yesterday for a clinical trial as to D3 for therapy for breast cancer. I also posted the link in the TNBC Talk forum.
 
Now, I have questions as to this study becuse it is funded by the Department of Defense and is there a possibility that they will try to discredit what many are now saying, that D is one of the answers, if not THE answer to many of our illnesses./diseases. This would not make the pharmaceuticals very happy, as they can not market D. It is all so political when it comes to stepping on the toes of the drug manufacturers.
 
Also, will this be another one of those stuidies where they only give the women 400 iu's a day, which doesn't do jack sh** for anyone, and then state they could not say conclusively that taking D has any effect on BC?  Dosages of 10,000 iu's and much more a day is what they need to use. Most doctors look at you like you have 3 heads when you even ask for the vitamin D level test. That's exactly what Bev's doctor did the other day. She asked Bev what it was!
 
The information that I believe I gave you was mostly from the Vitamin D council, which is a non profit orgaization. They study the effects of D and have stated that even pregnant women should be taking D, and then their babies a soon as they are born.
 
I cannot impress on all of you the importance of this very simple vitamin, and also getting out in the sun as much as you can without any damn sunscreen, as that blocks 95% of the rays that you need to keep you healthy. Also, there are chemicals in the sunscreen, so why on earth would anyone want to use sunscreen? The crap that they market is unbelievable, and it does us more harm than good. However, since you are on chemo, they tell you to stay out of the sun. I do believe that is for the day of chemo and for a few days after. Lori took chemo starting in August and was out ther running/walking/biking every time she felt well enough and it was in the sun.
 
Again, ask you onc or ask to see the article which states the sun can harm you while on chemo. See Minnie, I do not ever take their word, I want to see it in writing. If they cannot produce proof, then I take matters in my own hands. GOOGLE IT!! I research everything!
 
Also sweetie,  you want to be walking when you feel well enough, not for long distances, but just short walks, as this will help with the joint pain, and soak in a tub of hot water as often as you can. Lori said the more she moved/walked/ran, the better she felt. Then she would soak in the tub at night before going to bed. Try that as then maybe you will sleep without as much pain.Wink
 
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Yes, I've got that book. Very useful information and well-researched. Unfortunately, there is a lot of contracdictory information on chemo side effects, treatment, etc -- even coming from the doctors' offices themselves!! Feels like a lot of trial and error.
I started walking the day after chemo, even though I was draggin'. Definitely made me feel better. My back was really hurting last night, but I think I was just overtired. Feels better this morning.
I'm thinking that early morning and late afternoon direct sun, for 10 minutes at a time, can't hurt. Going to start that today.
 
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I have had 6 treatments ( of 12) so far of Taxol ( Paclitaxel) and have not had any adverse affects so far. I have lost my hair ( still have eyebrows & my extremely long eyelashes    , gosh I wish I wouldn't lose them....but oh well.   Still have 6 more Taxol treatments to go so we'll see, but like I said...no effects to the drug so far....oh wait...I have had some swelling in my lower extremities ( controllable) ..
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I posted this on another thread, but I finally found out that the taxotere aching back lasts about 7-10 days after each chemo treatment. my doc recommends 30 mg of glutamine a day. I bought the powder from a health food store and started taking 10 mg three times a day. It's supposed to help prevent neuropathy too. Will let you know how it works after 2nd round of chemo next wednesday.
 
I started losing my hair the other day. Finally had my husband shave it all off and I feel much better. I hope I keep my lashes too!
 
Good luck with the taxol. Sounds like you're doing great.
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Hi Sunris, half way there, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and how nice your side effects have not been very bad!
 
 
Minniemouse thank you for the good tips.
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Hi Minniemouse,.,
 
My gosh what a horrible thing for your daughter's friend to say to her.  I assume her friend knows you've been diagnosed.
 
You know we talk about this frequently because occasionally a member hears a comment like what was said to your daughter or other iodiotic comments coming from people who should keep their mouths shut.
I am not making comments about your daughter's friend it is just that people say things sometimes and they don't realize how much it hurts.
 
I'm so sorry.Hug
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Pam,
Thanks for those words. I think sometimes people just don't think before they open their mouths. I think I was able to assure my daughter I have a lot going in my favor.
 
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Dear Steve, Hi my name is Tina, I am 53 years old and was dx with triple negative IDC on April 8th. I am currently on Chemo (adriamycin/Cytoxan) very two weeks for 4 rounds and then will start Taxol every week for 12 rounds. I am so scared after reading your post about Taxol that I DON"T want to take it at all! This is horrible, not only can the Cancer itself kill you but , so can the meds that are suppose to get rid of it? This sounds like a no win situation to me. I think I would rather take my chances with the BC than die from the medication. This is Crazy, don't they have ANY safe drugs for this? I am petrified to take this drug, I don't want to die!!!!!!!

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Tina,

Just as Steve stated, he is not saying his daughter should not have taken Taxol, but instead his concern was for the side effects .   

I have had 7 treatments ( of 12) of Taxol and have
had extreme minimal side effects. It is different for each and every person. If you read side effects of
many drugs, you will find some stuff that will scare the
living s*** out of you. We can just hope that we aren't
that one random person that has the most horrific of
side effects.

After my 12 Taxol I will be on FAC for 12 weeks ( 1x wkly every other week) ...then I will be facing the final surgery decisions ( BRCA test results still not in...should be mid week this week) ..
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Sunris, I hope your BRCA test come in negative!Thumbs%20Up
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Pam,

Thanks sweetie. Ya know, I'm still facing the whole option of double mastectomy even if my BRCA test is neg. As good as lumpectomy sounds , I'm horrified at knowing
all that tissue will still be there to possibly have
a recurrence or a new cancer. Ugghh!!!! Decisions!!
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bumped up for Kerry OK and Brad...

don't want to freak you guys out but the first infusion is extremely important...if possible, please make sure you have your heart checked out before the infusion, they give you the drug slowly and that if you feel weird please tell them to stop...

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Hi Ladies and Steve:
 
I have posted before that I had Taxotere x 4 rounds and was severely allergic to it, but they knew right away what to do and it was done.  They slowed the infuison down and that took two hours rather than one, but it was well worth it!  Taxotere is the only thing that is going to hit these cells the hardest!! Take it and go with the flow, the nurses are great!  Benedryl, Decadron, Nupogen injections, all that for each round but it worked! I had the like heart attack pains, the throat closing over all that but through it all, I just said "Lord do your work" and He did through the nurses and doctors.  We need to have faith and know that these people work with this every day and they know what to do.  It is all knew to us, so let go and be calm that is the best thing to do. 
 
Yes, I lost my beautiful silver, natural curlie hair, eyebrows, eyelashes, Angrybut I am still here and I still have my sense of humor!!! That makes up for the other losses.  I also check myself out in the mirror the other day and since I had so much trouble with two surgeries, etc.  I finally looked and I have one headbeam straight on the other one is due south, but I am still here and I have my sense of humor - Look out world, here she comes. Clap This next two months I will be strengthening my body and trying to get out more.  My WBC 's are still low so I still need to be careful, but I am going to get back on my feet and stay there.  Still waiting for my BRCA 1/2 tests results and then it will be all behind me.
 
Good Journey to you all and no matter what, we are here for each other!!! Wink
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Hi Ladies and Steve,

I did not go to a large well know hospital for treatments, but the town I live near has one of the best oncologists that money can pay for. He tells you everything, pulls no punches, is really on top of the game. I WAS LUCKY to be referred to him by my surgeon...

I had 4 bi-weekly, double dose infusions of taxol in October and November of 2006. I also had adriamician in August and September of 2006. I had a muga scan to check my heart before any treatments started and another one after the adriamician treatments ended. So they knew my heart was strong enough. I was given information on the side effects of taxol and knew it might be rough, but also was told that for the best results in my chemo regimen, I really needed taxol or taxatere.

The day of my first taxol treatment the nurse hooked me up to a blood pressure cuff, a blood oxygen count machine and checked my heart every five minutes. She sat right beside me and slowly administered the drug for the first hour to be sure all was OK. I was told to let her know of ANY symptoms that seemed out of the ordinary. I did not have any abnormal reactions. Thank God.... The next three infusions were administered in half the time since I had no adverse reaction to the first one.

I did have bone pain in my back and legs, neuropathy in my hands and feet,fatigue and low blood counts. You may think I was stupid and naive, but when my Oncologist told me that I really needed the Taxol I believed him, so I made up my mind to deal with the side effects. I did not have the chemo brain associated with A/C. That made it a little better. My hair, eyelashes, eyebrows and all other body hair was long gone before I started taxol, so that was no concern. Just kept wearing my hats and wig.

To this day I still have residual effects from all of the chemo... BUT, 3 years and 7 months after diagnosis I am still NED.

Girls, Pray for strength... Keep your chin up... Grit your teeth.... but if at all possible, take what you need to take to SAVE YOUR LIVES.

I hate cancer as much as any of you; but I got it so I have to deal with it.

Love in Christ...

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Dear Lillie,

Thank you for writing about your experience with Taxol...

It is my understanding that it is essential to let the infusion nurse know IMMEDIATELY if there is a negative reaction when you start getting the Taxol, or as others have reported, even after the infusions.
But, especially, rarely, there can be immediate negative reactions...

And how or even should I write this when Kerry and Cristy are starting Taxol treatment soon? The last thing, on earth, I want to do is fill someone with angst/anxiety but I am a great believer in "knowledge is power" and certainly no one (including, obviously, her oncologist) shared the possible side effects with her. That was for me to discover. So, Kerry, Cristy, Brad and Scott I hope you understand. I don't know if your oncologists will treat things as Lillie's did or whether you would have had the same experience my daughter had...no real preparation. I just didn't want to take the chance that it would be the latter.

good luck to both of you and all others out there that may embark of Taxol. It is still actively used in our community and my daughter had AC + Taxol for four months and she is now five years NED. Others, unfortunately have had different results. All any of us can do is follow the advice of competent physicians and then try, as best we can, to keep fighting and have a positive attitude.

Lillie, my daughter, as well, did not have any immediate negative reaction but experienced all the other side effects you mentioned....and others here have reported "Taxol was a breeze and AC was awful."

Thanks again for sharing...everyone else, too...that is what this community is about!!!

all the best,

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Hello Steve and Girls,

My surgeon told me I was triple negative. He ordered the FISH test to be certain. My oncologist told me I was triple negative. Initially I did not know what that meant except "red flags" went up when i was told I wouldn't be taking tamoxafin or herceptin. Everyone I knew with breast cancer took one of those drugs after chemo.

I also believe that "knowledge is power". In retrospect, my oncologist gave me the knowledge I needed to be prepared for the taxol. I was also part of a clinical trial (gymzar was added to my regimen). I will say that when you are participating in a clinical trial all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. (There is a lady whose sole purpose at that clinic is to be in charge of everything that happens to clinical trial patients). That could be some of the reason I was as knowledgeable as I was. (There was a Protocol for everything that took place during my 4 months of treatments).

Still, I was acting on Blind Faith... I had no TNBC site to come to and find out that there are others who've been there and done that. Kerry, Cristy, Brad and Scott; you do have this site and people sharing with you left and right. Let your doctors know that you are not in the dark and ask them to please "Give You The Knowledge" you need to get through this time and take the proper steps to insure success.

Steve: I am aware that sometimes all of these steps are taken and it is just not enough. It doesn't always work. In your daughter's and my situation it seems to be working, so we step out there as "beacons" for those who are just beginning the journey.

Does this make any sense?

Love in Christ,

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6/06 Axl. 9 nodes-
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Steve,
What does MUGA have to do with Taxol?


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Steve and Lillie
 
Thank you so much for all of the information.  It is overwhelming but with your support and knowledge we are ready to get started so we will be cancer free too!  Kerry has her first round of Taxol on Friday.  She does not have a port yet, but the doctor said it would be ok to take in the vein this first treatment.  The port goes in on Monday.  We are going to the oncologist tomorrow to find out more about the precautions.  You guys have been great~you are a wealth of information!
 
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Unklez:
The MUGA is a wall motion study of the heart.  They sometimes do that to ensure the heart is in good enough condition for the medications.  My girlfriend had it done with one of her meds, I don't think it was Taxol?  I had the Taxotere and did not have the MUGA so I am not sure why they are talking about that test? 
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