QuoteReplyTopic: TNBC-Taxotere vs. Taxol Posted: Jun 23 2014 at 12:40am
I have not been back here for awhile but needed some help in some decision making between two chemo drugs and which is most beneficial for TNBC patients. My Mom finished 4 of AC and started Taxotere. She experienced severe body pain but painkillers were able to fix that. But due to loss of appetite and not drinking enough fluids, she had low BP due to which they ended up giving her fluid IVY twice. Onc has given us three options to chose from for the next round - 1)continue with lower dosage of Taxotere every 3 weeks 2)switch to Taxol weekly 3)quit chemo. I've been trying to read the SE of both drugs and its difficult to decide. Mom has diabetes therefore originally Taxotere was recommended b/c they say neuropathy is worse with Taxol and especially with Diabetes patients. Then I've read that neuropathy stays with both drugs vs just Taxol as a long term SE. With Taxotere I'm reading that for some the hair never comes back? But Taxotere is supposed to be better for TNBC. So difficult to decide. Which drug is better for TNBC patients? Not sure how to share this information with mom.
Dear B2014, I am so sorry your mother is having to take chemo, in the first place. I am sure with diabetes it makes the journey more difficult. My first thought would be taxol, weekly for 12 weeks. If she cannot tolerate this, maybe the reduced taxotere dosage next. Quitting would be a last resort. I know that she will have pain and neuropothy. Taxol and taxotere both are known for having these side effects. As far as taxotere being better than taxol, I cannot answer that. I do know that in the triple negative cases that is treated by my oncologist, he likes to use taxol. "Just saying'.... I had taxol every other week for 4 cycles and it was painful, but doeable. I took a lot of extra strength Tylenol and I know ladies who got through it with pain pills.
Bless all of you as you make decision about her treatment. Could you remind us about her Stage, grade and lymph node involvement.
God Bless, Lillie
Edited by Lillie - Jun 23 2014 at 8:59am
Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA- 6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+ 6/06 Axl. 9 nodes- 8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4 No Rads. No RECON - 11/2018-12 yrs NED
I'm sorry your mother is having difficulty with Taxotere. Just my two cents, but maybe switching to Taxol weekly would be better for her. She may still have some side effects as taxol and taxotere are both taxanes, but the weekly lower doses seem to be tolerated better for many patients. Here's a link to an article saying the weekly dosing is better.
Lillie and 123Donna-Thanks for both of your recommendations. My mom's oncologist said that only reason she was not put on taxol was because of Diabetes and combination of that with neuropathy can be worse. That is the reason they had used Taxotere. I had not known that Taxotere can also have neuropathy. Also learning that for some people hair loss is permanent with Taxotere but not for all. Definitely some difficult decisions to make.
Lillie-I had tried to research about how to make those signatures on the bottom of our profiles but never found it. My mom has Stage IIA, Negative Node, Negative Margins, Tumor was 3cm, and she has had a Mastectomy on her right breast.
To get your mom's information in your signature so that it appears at the end of your post like mine and Lillie's, go to the upper left side of your screen and click on "Member Control Panel". Go to "Edit Profile", scroll down until you see "Signature". Type the information you want to appear and scroll down to the bottom and click on "Update Profile" to save your information. Hope this helps.
Donna
DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
I have Type 2 diabetes and received Taxol weekly for 12 weeks. Everyone is different but I didn't have any major problems with neuropathy.
To make the signature at the bottom... go to Member Control panel (top left), click on that, click on the Profile tab, then scroll down to Signature box, enter the information (200 characters which includes space, comma's etc) and save the change.
Blair
Edited by cheeks - Jun 23 2014 at 9:51pm
Lump found 11/08 DX: 2/09 @52 TNBC L. Mast. 3/26/09, SN-, BRCA-, 4.5 cm (post surgical)T2NOMO Chemo: 4/09-10/09 Taxol x 12, A/C x 4, No rad.No recon. NED 1/17. New Primary right breast TN, 2/2018.
Both taxotere and taxol are taxanes, and target the same structures (microtubules). Hence both can cause neuropathy (peripheral sensory). In head to head comparisons, TAC (taxotere +AC altogether) and AC-T (dose dense schedule, administered sequentially) offer the same benefits. TAC has more bone marrow toxicity whereas AC-T has more neuropathy. There are reports that Taxol offered on a weekly schedule for 12 weeks has a lower incidence of neuropathy compared to Taxol offered on a dose dense schedule.
If I am in your mom's shoes, I would opt for weekly Taxol. It is always a good idea to get chemo on schedule and on dose.
I'm on weekly Taxol now (9th of 12 treatments on Thursday), and am tolerating it very well. I'm icing my hands and feet in an effort to lessen or prevent neuropathy and nail loss. I've never heard that Taxotere is more effective than Taxol for triple negative bc. In fact, I was told that the ACT (T for Taxol) treatment is more effective than the Cytoxan & Taxotere combo. However, you are given an echocardiogram to make certain your heart is OK prior to the ACT. Best of luck to your Mom. I agree with others, that the weekly dose of Taxol is kinder on your system than a dense dose (very other week) schedule.
DX TNBC 1/14; age 66; Stage 1; Grade 2; 1.2 cm; 0/2 nodes; lumpectomy; BRAC Neg; 4 DD AC; Completed 12 weekly Taxol July 2014; Radiation August 2014
Donna, I am new to TNBC and I just finished 4 rounds of AC followed by 4 rounds of Taxotere (no Carboplatin). I had cancer in 1 lymph node and got a double mastectomy and have cording in left arm and in general just muscle tightening. Recurrence while on AC so minor surgery to remove what we called "tic tac" cancer on suture line 9/15. Just curious from reading website everyone taking Taxol weekly instead of Taxotere every 3 weeks like me, I hope that is OK ? i read the article you posted "Optimal Schedule of Paclitaxel[Taxol] : Weekly is Better" and it bummed me out because I just finished up with Taxotere (also Dr. Patrick on 60 minutes aired on 12/7/14 said weekly chemo better as well" (great 60 minutes show on Dr. Patrick cancer research). Any words of encouragement ? I plan on asking my oncologist about Carboplatin & Gemzar. I also read posts in October 2012 that you & Steve had about lapatinib and veliparib together, any news on those drugs that you know about ?
It seems that Taxol, weekly or biweekly, is more common than Taxotere in the US. When I was diagnosed 5 1/2 years ago, I saw more women get Taxotere like I did. I think the trend has shifted to Taxol and weekly dosing. Have you seen this thread on Carboplatin?
Weekly paclitaxel or docetaxel every 3 weeks extended DFS in breast cancer
Women with axillary node-negative or high-risk node-negative breast cancer achieved prolonged DFS and marginally improved OS when they received adjuvant paclitaxel every week or docetaxel every 3 weeks compared with paclitaxel every 3 weeks, according to phase 3 study results presented at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium.
Further, weekly paclitaxel extended DFS and OS in women with triple-negative breast cancer, whereas docetaxel administered every 3 weeks improved DFS in women with ER-positive, HER-2–negative disease. . . .
. . . .Overall, the taxane and schedule alone were not significantly associated with outcomes; however, the taxane and schedule interaction was significantly associated with DFS (P˂.001) and OS (P=.007).
Weekly paclitaxel was associated with improved DFS (HR=0.84; 95% CI, 0.73-0.96) and marginally improved OS (HR=0.87; 95% CI, 0.75-1.02) compared with the standard arm. Docetaxel every 3 weeks also was associated with improved DFS (HR=0.79; 95% CI, 0.68-0.9) and OS (HR=0.86; 95% CI, .73-1).
“For the weekly paclitaxel arms, the results are qualitatively similar, but quantitatively less than the original report,” Sparano said. “The hazard ratios were in the 0.76 to 0.79 range initially, and are now in the range of 0.84 to 0.87.”
Patients with triple-negative breast cancer (n=1,025) demonstrated improved 10-year DFS (HR 0.69; P=0.01) and 10-year OS (HR 0.69; P=0.019) when they received weekly paclitaxel. . .
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