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Topic: daughter diagnosed triple negative
Posted By: Nancy
Subject: daughter diagnosed triple negative
Date Posted: Aug 08 2007 at 3:33pm

My name is Nancy and my daughter Lori (age 45) was diagnosed as triple negative. When she first discovered the lump and an ultra sound was done, they said it was a cyst. Local surgeon operated and said he had "concerns". It was cancer! How could they have been so wrong? She went to Joyce Murtha Breast Center in Winber, PA, and then to Magee Women's in Pittsburgh. I believe that she had every test done that is available. She had a mastectomy on July 6 at Magee and lymph nodes were negative. There was a tumor under the nipple area also, and they said that it was all really one. She starts chemo on Friday the 10th, 6 treatments, and then radiation the day after Christmas, 5 days a week for 6 weeks. I have read and re-read your posts and messages, and I want you all to know that my thoughts and prayers are with all of you. As a mother, it has been very difficult to deal with this, for I realize that it is a genetic abnormality. She tells me all of the test results and says that she does not have the P53 tumor suppressor gene. As breast cancer patients can you tell me what you want from your family? We have all been very supportive. Her husband is the most wonderful man in the world. I listen to her and cry with her and I laugh with her. Since so very little info is out there as to triple negative, I am at a loss as to what to expect. She goes in to rages and says that there are times when she feels almost paralyzed, unable to move her arms and legs. This is a woman who never smoked, never drank, doesn't even drink coffee. She runs or walks 3 to 6 miles a day, bicycles 3  or 4 times a week at least 15 miles. She participated in the triatholon 2 years ago and came in at first place in her age group. She has already gotten 2 wigs and turbans and caps, and has drastically changed her diet. She weighs 107 but admittedly had a sweet tooth. Please tell me what all of you want from your family and friends. How can I help her through all of this? We have 5 daughters and Lori is the third after her sisters who are twins. Our grandson (now 19) was diagnosed with lukemia at age 3. Where is this horrible disease "cancer" coming from? I just know that  a cure can be found. But the pharmaceutical are making a killing on the treatments and all of the drugs. I have crocheted 25 angels for her to send to others who are breast cancer patients. I am calling them the "Victory Angels". I will make one for every year that she will be a "victor" . I do not like the word survivor. I heard that it is bad karma. I figure that 40 or 50 angels will give her the time to do what ever she wants to do in life. She just became a 2nd grade teacher. Graduated with honors December 2005. Please help me to help her!

Love and prayers, Nancy



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Posted By: Raine
Date Posted: Aug 08 2007 at 5:29pm
Nancy so sorry for you and your daughter, but be strong.  You are already doing what is needed by being there for your daughter, have listening ear and a shoulder for those down days and a sunny smile. 

I was dx 10 yrs ago with triple negative invasive breast cancer, and just having mum there for support was great, was dx with a new new primary breast cancer last year and it was so much harder as I had lost my mum 2 yrs earlier.  by the way i was 42 when 1st dx.

I just love the idea of your victory angels.

All the best Heart



Posted By: CalGal
Date Posted: Aug 08 2007 at 7:12pm
Hi Nancy -

You sound like a very loving, supportive mom with a lot of spirit ... go Victory Angels!  I think being there to share her life is great ... I know it's hard for you seeing what your daughter has to go thru ... and when my mom went thru it, both my grandmas wished it was them instead ...

My mom lost her 13 yr battle at age 59 ... and now, I'm in it ... liver mets gone for 13 mos, but recently dx'd with lung mets ...  I have the BRCA1 mutation and it's pretty obvious that my mom and maternal grandma did too (although it can also pass thru the male side).

When your daughter does chemo ... depending on how she tolerates it, she may appreciate some specific help (shopping and/or preparing some meals, help around the house, walking the dog etc).   My dear husband (DH) burned a lot of vacation time going to chemo with me ...  If her husband can't always go, having you drive her and keep her company during chemo might be nice ...

I'm also a big believer in doing my own research and getting 2nd and 3rd opinions.  I've gotten better treatment because of it.  If your daughter isn't into the research, is that something you could do?  You mention a "genetic abnormality". did your daughter have the BRCA test?   I didn't have the test until after my recurr & mets dx, but it would have been good to have that info earlier.

I'm sorry you have to go thru the cancer fight again ... having already done so with your grandson ...

Best to you,

CalGal


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BRCA1
9/04 Bi-lat lump, clear SNB
38x Rad'tn
12/05 Recurr bc & mets to liver
06 the year of chemo
NED for 13 mos until 7/07
Lung met. PARP trial until ...
2/08 Liver mets again


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 09 2007 at 8:02am
SmileHi New Zealand!
Thank you so much for your reply. Tomorrow is the first day of chemo. She doesn't know what to expect but has a very positive attitude as of last evening. Her husband will go with her and if he cannot be there for the future chemos, we will be!
The "Victory Angels" are a continuation of the angels she has been receiving from all over the world! She has received "Secret Angel Stitches" from as far as South Africa and from NEW ZEALAND! Just a card with little angels in every one of them. These have been a true inspiration to her and her family. We don't have a clue as to how they got her address, and they all seem to know exactly what her diagnosis is! Amazing! Most of them are signed with only a first name, and some are not signed at all.If she can find out how to send the Victory Angels to others she will do so. If not, then perhaps we can give them to Magee Women's in Pittsburgh to distribute to others. 
This site is just wonderful. Lori was online for weeks before her last surgery,(mastectomy), but then it was just too overwhelming. Perhaps when she is "ready" I will send her a link to this site. She really needs to talk with others with the same diagnosis. However, I realize that everyone is different. Again thank you sooo much for your reply.
Much Love,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 09 2007 at 8:38am
SmileHi CalGal!
I believe that she will be in some sort of study at Magee Women's in Pittsburgh. As you said it is very wise to get 2nd and 3rd opinions. She went to Joyce Murtha in Winber, PA, and was not comfortable with their diagnosis. If she had gone there for surgery they would not have found the tumor under the nipple area, as they do not do MRI's. They said that they show too much? She and her husband and of course I, have been online researching since the day that she was dx.
 
There has to be something genetic in our family. My maternal grandmother died in her 30's when my Mother was 9. That was 1922. I told my GYN that she had to have her abdomen drained every day for months before she died. My Mom told me that. My grandfather would not consent to a hysterectomy! Thank heaven women don't need consent today! My GYN said that was ovarian cancer. I have had the blood work and I have insisted that all of my 5 daughters have it done every year.
 
Lori was a very small as a child. At age 4 we found out that she was, (in a sense) born with her ureters on the outside of her bladder. Her urine was backing up into her kidneys and stunted her growth. She had one ureter implanted one year and then the next year the other ureter. Her oldest daughter, now 20, has had the same operation at age 11. The middle daughter does not have this condition. I cannot remeber the medical terminology for this condition. Of course, I can't remember much of anything these days.
 
Lori is also a nurse, and has said that this cancer must be genetic. I am sure that if Magee feels that it is, we will all be tested. We also have 7 granddaughters.
 
We have already made and frozen 14 meals for when she has chemo. Her sister from Arkansas was here a few weeks ago and that was her mission!
I read on this site last evening that when you take Neulasta you must not eat fresh fruits and vegetables and you are to stay away from dogs and birds? Did you have to take these shots? She already picked up the filled syringes yesterday at the pharmacy. I am sorry this is so lengthy, but I really have no one to talk to who knows what to expect. Since only 10% of women are dx with TRN, no one I know has this dx. And, I know many many women with BC! Too many! My husband's sister had breast cancer and had a mastectomy.
Thank you so much for your reply and I will let you know how tomorrow goes.
Love,
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: Bunnysmama
Date Posted: Aug 09 2007 at 9:35am
Nancy,
 
The fact that you have already found this site, joined and posted, and have reached out to us shows that you are a loving, supportive, and involved Mom.  You have clearly been doing research and are there for her every step of the way.  I'm sure she needs that now more than ever.
 
I tend to be a very practical person, so I agree with CalGal about the other ways you can be supportive.  One of the best things anyone did for me while I was in treatment was to arrange for someone to clean my house every two weeks.  It was such a relief to know that I could use what energy I had to be with my family instead of vacuuming. 
 
Preparing meals is another huge help, and it looks like you're on top of that already.  I had a freezer full of prepared foods, too, but they ended up being mostly for my husband.  Depending on how your daughter does with chemo her appetite may change, so having family on hand in the days after treatment is good so that you could help prepare meals/snacks that she is able to eat.  For example, I would completely lose my appetite for the first few days, so I ate grits and drank smoothies just to keep my energy up. 
 
Also, on the days I had treatment, my mother would come to the hospital and meet my husband and me.  My husband would stay as long as he could, but he'd have to leave to pick our daughter up from daycare.  My mother would then drive me home, and she always brought dinner for that night.  She'd then stay overnight and the next day so my husband could go back to work.  I ended up sleeping most of that day, but it was good just having her there in case I needed anything.  Once my husband got home, she'd head back to her house.
 
My mother was also there, along with my husband, when I got my head shaved before all my hair fell out.  Losing your hair is very traumatic, and as a Mom your support will be very comforting.
 
As for the Neulasta issue, it is perfectly fine to eat fresh fruits and veggies as long as her white blood cell count stays high enough to fight off any potential infection.  The Neulasta is used for that very purpose - it is supposed to help recolonize white blood cells.  The potential problem arises if the white blood cell count dips too low, a condition called neutropenia.  If that happens to your daughter, then she should avoid anything uncooked that could introduce bacteria to her system when she doesn't have the means to fight it.
 
Hope that helps.  I wish your daughter the best for her first treatment tomorrow.  Stay strong and positive for her!


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 09 2007 at 7:04pm
Hi Nancy,  Your daughter is very fortunate to have you in her life.  I have a very supportive family too and I often think about the women out there who have to go it alone.  I'm with the other two gals, house cleaning! But be very careful.  One thing I went through was blaming myself for what happend, so I was hypesensative.   Now is not the time for big changes, now is the time to gather supplies and do battle.  The changes will come after she heals from surgery and chemo.  Let her guide you, do not rearrange things unless she asks and be careful that suggestions don't sound like criticism.  My 23 year old daughter came in a cleaned for me and rearranged my cupboards.  I was making life and death decissions and I could't find a tea cup in my own kitchen, I finally had a melt down.  I was on auto pilot and couldn't coast through my own kitchen cause I couldn't find a blasted thing!  Also be mindful of what she wants to eat and how she likes it.  I made different meals for myself because chemo effected my taste and I got real picky!   
 
Things do get better, be strong!
 
Ronda


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 10 2007 at 6:28am
SmileHi Rhonda,
Thank you for your suggestions. I had offered to clean every week, but she said that she wanted her family to just be there for her. They are fortunate to have the financial resources to have someone to come in and clean every other week. I do remember that when my grandson was going through chemo that all he wanted to eat was cheese, pizza and anything else with a tomato sauce. Of course his chemo was a completely different regimen. At least there are meals for the family already to go. I will definitely ask before I prepare  any food just for her. Did you have cravings?  
As of 1 hour and 22  minutes ago she started her chemo. I can hardly breathe! When she was here yesterday she was positive that she would be fine. At lunch time I will call her husband on his cell and find out how she is doing. I would give anything to be able to go through this for her, as would my husband.
Did you find that you wanted to keep busy all of the time? You said you did have meltdowns. Lori has days when she is constantly doing something, and then there are days when she feels as though she cannot move!She does go running, walking or biking almost every day.
She will begin teaching 2nd grade the last week in August. I am hoping that this will help her through the really bad times. Of course ever since she was dx it has been bad times. We taught our girls that no matter what life throws your way, there is always someone else who is experiencing something much worse. But you know what? When you are dealing with a life and death situation, it is very difficult to even think about anyone else.
I know that she is only one of many millions of individuals who have cancer, but believe me I tell everyone I know or meet that she has breast cancer.
I know that I will be on here posting many times to find out how all of you are doing and to tell you what is happening in Lori's life. Thank you for this site and for caring enough to reply.
Nancy


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 10 2007 at 11:43am

Hi Nancy,  It's wierd because alot of people I've spoken with said they felt extreme fatique when the cancer was still in them, this was true for me.  I actually felt better after my surgery and started my chemo 8 weeks after that.  I actually postponed chemo two weeks because I was out of shape and had started working out and taking supplements to get stronger.  For me the first chemo w/ the Nuelasta shot was probably the worst, but still manageable.  I did AC 4 times Taxol 4 Times.  If your daughter is doing AC, nausea is usually the worst side effects.  I bought seabands (used for sea sickness, got 'em at the drug store) wrist bands and wore the the day of and 3 days after AC.  They work with accupressure.  I didn't need any nausea meds when I used those.  I got chemo on Thursdays and was back to normal by monday.  Taxol was a breeze, hardly noticed!  It's different for everyone though.  I took time off as a Realtor (15 years) to do my chemo mostly because I didn't have the energy to give and I wanted to be fair to my clients.  But my friend who had stage stage 3 ovarian cancer (Realtor too) not only worked most everyday but ran the Hood to Coast marathon while going through chemo at the age of 60!  I found out about my breast cancer right after she ended her treatment and kind of used her as my model for going through mine, however if she did the Hood to Coast at 60, I was going to have to do the boston marathon on running on my hands, 'cause I'm only 44 (well that didn't happen!!!)!!  This experience is different for everyone,  I really emersed myself in lots of inspirational books as well as educating myself on BC.  Your daughter needs to feather her nest how she likes it  and make this experience her own.  I have manged to keep my sense of humor and spirits high, but it took a while.  The very beginning is scary because the answers reveal themselves painfully slowly, but  once you have the answers you can wrap your your brain around it and cope.  It sounds like she really tries to take care of herself and it's frustrating because I always associated cancer with poor lifestyle choices, but it's not always that, sometimes it's just a random event that comes out of nowhere. 

Hugs to you and your family.   
Ronda


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 12 2007 at 3:17pm
Hi Nancy and welcome.  I'm so sorry to hear your daughter has been diagnosed with triple neg breast cancer but it sounds like she has a great support system with her family and that will be very important to her.
Just having someone listen to the good and bad, be there for hugs and giggles, makes a huge difference.  You obviously love your daughter very much and I admire you for getting online and researching to learn more about what she is dealing with right now.
 
My daughter was diagnosed in January of this year and it is certainly devastating to hear those words.  Then the next month I was diagnosed for the second time.  My daughter and I live in different States so we have had to do alot of emailing and phone calls w/a couple of personal visits but we are here for each other and that is what we need.
 
Keep us posted and let us know how your daughter is doing with her chemo. 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 12 2007 at 4:41pm
Hi Pam,
Thank you for caring. Lori had her first chemo on Friday and the last three days have been horrible. She cannot eat, and when she does she throws up. She is taking compazine and Zofram, but they do not seem to be working. She gave herself the shot of Neulasta at 5pm yesterday. Anything she asks for to eat has been gotten, but she can only take a bite or two and then feels nauseated. Her whole body is "twitching" and her vision is blurred. I don't know how she will teach come the end of the month. She did get out of bed yesterday and stayed on the sofa, but today until 5pm she was in bed. She went outside for about 3 minutes yesterday and then had to go in the house. She is taking a steriod, something that starts with Dex? Does this always happen the first treatment? Will she have to endure this every 3 weeks? I am at a loss as to what to do for her!! She doesn't even want to talk as she says it makes her dizzy.
Are you also triple neg? And is your daughter? To have your daughter so far away must be heartbreaking. Although I have 1 in Texas and 1 in Arkansas and the other 3 are here.
What can we expect over the next couple of days? Will the twitching go away and will the nausea subside.
I keep reading that almost everyone has the chemo before the surgery. I guess due to the fact that they diagnosed her lump as a cyst and then operated, that is why she has the chemo now. Of course, she had to go through the surgery 2 times. One for the "cyst", and the 2nd time for a mastectomy.
Please get back to me. I think I have this computer on every couple of hours just cheking for new topics or messages.
I wrap my arms around all of you.
Nancy


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 13 2007 at 3:52am
Good morning Nancy, that is too bad Lori is having a hard time but it should pass in a few days.  If she or you have any questions about how she is reacting to her meds be sure and call the Onc's office and speak with a nurse.  What kind of chemo is she taking?
It's hard to say if she will always react the same after a treatment.  We all react differently, some people will have a harder time as chemo goes along and some just breeze thru so a tough call. 
It sounds like she has the best of nausea meds and the Neulasta shot will make a big difference in keeping her white blood count up so she won't run into more problems so that is all good.  The Dexamathasone is a steroid I take also only just for the 3 days around my chemo.
I too have trouble with the blurry vision and I get dry eyes so I use a product called Tears.
Most of these side effects should settle down for her in a few days but like I said if you have any questions call your Onc's office.  I hope she is starting to feel better today. 
Actually alot of women have their chemo after surgery.  I have both times.
Again it depends on the situation.
Yes I am a triple neg, have been diagnosed twice now.  My daughter was diagnosed in January of this year and she is doing quite well.  She just turned 39 and has 2 small boys, diagnosed with two tumors on the right side, multi focal, one was estrogen positive and the other triple neg.  She took Adriamycin, Cytoxin and Taxol for her chemo treatments and did quite well with all of it except for being tired more than usual.  She is now almost thru with her radiation.
Let us know how Lori is doing.  Hopefully this week things will settle down for her.  She is lucky to have you so close.
 
 
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 13 2007 at 5:13pm
 
Hi Pam,
 
Another day, another dawn, a better day! She hasn't thrown up since yesterday! I boiled good ground beef and made rice yesterday and put them in 2 seperate containers in the frig. She ate some of that today, and had a couple of bites of pancake and a few bite of bacon. Then... she had a hamburger. Good grief!  If she wants it, she should eat it! She seemed in better spirits but still has blurred vision. I told her about Tears, so that is on the list to buy.
SmileShe did some things to get ready for her class so that is a good sign.
 
Her children are absolutely the best! They are loving, comforting and so mature. I think her oldest daughter (20) has aged 5 years in the last 2 months. She doesn't want to go back to college and leave her Mom. She will be about a 3 hour ride away. Really that is not that far to go and get her.
Lori is on Adriamycin, Cytoxin and Taxotere. Is that the same as your daughter's chemo? I remember the Adriamycin when our grandson had leukemia. That is what makes the hair fall out, am I right? Lori said she couldn't look at it when it was being administered. She did her meditating at that time.
She and her husband even went on a walk in the woods today. Not the usual 3-6 miles, but it was a walk!
She has a very supportive and comforting boss (the principal), and says that whatever she needs to do will be just fine.
 
I do believe that I am able to breathe a little better today. I remember 16 years ago when our grandson was diagnosed that life just came to a halt. Never did I believe that it would happen again. You have been through this 2 times yourself and then your daughter. I can only offer you the same comfort as I offer to Lori. Only the person who has a cancer dx actually knows what all this entails.
 
As you said as the days go by hopefully she will feel better and better.
Hugs to you and to your daughter and family.
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 14 2007 at 11:12am

Wow, sounds like Lori is doing much better, she's able to eat a little bit and get her mind off of things by working on her school projects, that will help so much.  Walking in the woods sounds wonderful, things seem to be taking a big turn and I bet you are very happy to see that.

My daughter was on Adriamycin, Cytoxin and Taxol which is what I had the first time. This time I am on Taxotere.  The adriamycin can be pretty nasty on some.  How is your grandson doing?  Bless your heart, I know how it is to have a child diagnosed but then a grandchild, your family have been thru some hard times with this cancer business.
I think you are right, life does come to a halt but then we gather up what strength and love, support, information we can and go from there.
I'm so glad you are feeling a little better.
I know it is hard on the caregivers.  When I had cancer the first time my hubby was a great caregiver but this time for some reason 4 yrs later I seem to see more of what he must be going thru and it can't be easy at all.
Give your daughter a hug and hopefully she'll want to come join us when she feels like it.
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 14 2007 at 12:30pm
Big%20smileHi Pam,
Today was even better! She was going for a walk this morning with her oldest daughter. She did say that she had a really bad headache and should have taken something for it sooner than she did. She was going to ask for another type of med for the nausea, something that a friend of mine had taken.
 
Our grandson is now 19 and attending college in Pittsburgh. He was diagnosed at age 3 with leukemia. So far so great! He went to Hershey for treatment, which was 1 time a week for 3 years. Then we did not have the internet tools available. We knew only what we heard from the docs, and then only understood half of that.
 
Our oldest daughter (one of the twins...almost 47) did not want Lori to go through chemo. She never said that to her, but she is our very spiritual daughter, and just felt that after surgery Lori did not have cancer anymore.
 
I was talking with my friends in my water aerobics class this morning, and some of them said the same thing. One (who had breast cancer 20 years ago) tried to stop her chemo after a couple of treatments and docs said no. I have been on the computer all afternoon "researching" again. But you know what? Some of the info is not relevent anymore. It is old news!
That "red devil" is nasty. I understand it has to be administered very slowly.
Lori was joking this morning and said some morning her DH will wake up
and see this bald headed woman lying next to him and hair all over the bed! Laughter is possibly the best medicine! I did get her 2 satin pillowcases as I had read that they feel so much better when you are losing and after you lose your hair.
Are the radiation treatments difficult to go through? She is not sure if she wants to do them before she goes to work or on her way home. That won't be until December.
And tomorrow is another day!!
Hugs!!!
Nancy
 
 
 


Posted By: Raine
Date Posted: Aug 14 2007 at 9:16pm
Hi Nancy

Pleased to hear your daughter is doing better.  I had AC 10 years ago and know it floored me for 3-4 days but improved from then on. Couldn't face food in that time but slowly started eating.

I did find that by drinking lots before, during and after each chemo Treatment and also eating a little and often also helped.

My Onc adjusted the anti nausea meds and I wasn't so bad with the subsequent treatment.

Hope the rest treats her better,

Raine




Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 15 2007 at 11:40am
Hi Nancy, well I tell ya, I wrote you a reply and our power blinked out so had to start over.  It's always something.Smile
 
Anyway I can tell by the tone of your email that Lori is better, that is just fantastic.  Ah the headaches can be bad, did they give her any pain pills?  She can call and ask what to take.  I get them usually right after my treatment but they only last for a few days.
 
That is so wonderful to hear your grandson is now 19 and going to college.  Just think about all that child has been thru and soon you will be watching him graduate from college, how great is that!
 
Yes family members will react differently when something like this comes along.  Just so Lori does what she feels is right for her body than that is the main thing.
When I was diagnosed the first time I didn't have a clue, for some odd reason didn't use the puter, just plowed along behind the medical staff relying on them to tell me the right thing.   Since that time I have decided to dig in and research and study as much as I can and that has been a big help not only to understand what was/is going on with me but then I feel more informed since it did come back I can ask questions now and feel more empowered.
You are right some of what you read is dated, not a good source and lousy info just watch your sources, dates, what makes sense to you.  I kind of read something and toss it around to decide if I want to go with it or move along.
 
The red devil is a nasty chemo, none of them are very pleasant for sure.
Usually you can only have this one time or a certain amount in your lifetime.  Some handle it pretty good and others have a bad time plus the in between so again it is pretty much you and the med and how the two of you get along.
 
Absolutely keep the laughter, Lori's moods will probably be all over the place and that is natural.  Love the pillowcase story.Tongue
 
I think the satin pillowcases is a wonderful gift, what a great idea!
When my hair started to come out I went ahead and shaved but had kind of a strange sticky burr and it was uncomfortable on the pillowcase so you are right on track.  A little gift or funny card everyonce in awhile will definitely keep her cheered up.
 
I found radiation not hard at all.  It went quickly and I spent more time driving to radiation than actually getting it.  Once they have you set up you just go in, remove your shirt and zap and back out the door.
I didn't have any burning problems but my daughter is so they give you cream suggestions you can use for your skin.  I found silky type cami's were comfortable to wear so that your clothing isn't so tight against the tender skin.
 
Well as time goes along she will be able to decide when to do her radiation.  Does she live close to her clinic?
 
Yes tomorrow is another day, you sound better and so does Lori.
Keep us posted and hugs to you too,
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 15 2007 at 4:29pm
Hi Raine and Pam,
Thoght I'd reply to both in 1 message.
I did tell Lori about drinking lots of water just as you (Raine) suggested.
I do hope that the next round is not as bad for her. Doesn't all of that water just kind of sit there in your tummy and slosh around? She always drinks lots of water daily, but maybe before chemo she should push more?
 
She cannot take any strong pain medication. She always throws up. So she has just been using extra strength tylenol.
 
I bought the pillowcases because of a message from someone posting on this site. You gals are amazing. You take the time to respond to an "old" lady when you all have so much else to think aboutBig%20smile. You will never know how much your messages mean to me. And...I am passing along all of this info to Lori.
 
Perhaps in time she will be the one you hear from.
 
She goes to the hospital here in town for both the chemo and the radiation. It's about 12 miles from her house.
 
I must tell you that our #2 daughter (one of the twins),  knows this woman who took her friend for her 1st chemo. (In Haggerstown,MD). Well, she dropped her off, went back to work and returned when her friend was to be finished. Apparently it did not take as long as the friend expected, the woman left the hospital and decided to walk outside and wait for her friend to pick her up. When they found her she was lying on the grass, her body shaking beyond control, crying!!! Can you believe that the hospital would not tell her that she may experience some reaction??? Lori said she could barely walk and she was shaking all over! 
 
When I spoke with Lori this morning she was going to try to do a 15 mile bike ride! I said well, that gives me something to worry about for the morningSmile!! But then that is my job!
 
Does it help to keep a journal? I was going to get her one but someone else beat me to it. Her DH was with her at every appt., etc, and good thing too as she said she didn't remember half of what was said. She calls him her "cancer secretary".
 
The silk cami's are a great idea and can be a Christmas present.
 
Hugs again!
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: Melaniesmom
Date Posted: Aug 15 2007 at 7:58pm
Nancy,
As a daughter who is tripe neg and wading through Chemo - I thank you for being there for your daughter. My mom could bearly handle being with me after my mastectomy. We have never been super close (that would be my older sis), I thought she would jump in to help me and my family get through this but to no avail.
 
I know your daughter and her family apprecaite all that you do, especailly getting advice from us old timers here.
 
My 2 cents - each round of A/C (I haven't had the T yet) were different. I got super sensitive to light, sound and touch. As for eating, none flavored foods helped too (pears, cottage cheese and mashed potatoes).
Embarrassed
Amy


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 15 2007 at 9:43pm
Hi Nancy, I don't know what your daughter's onc told her about water consumption, but I was told 3 qts a day the first week of all chemos.  This is to dilute it in your kidney's to prevent potential bladder cancer and kidney problems.  It's very important!   Good luck to your family.


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 16 2007 at 6:35am
Morning Nancy, wow a 15 mile bike ride, now that sounds like a challenge but the exercise will be good for her and help clear her head too.
 
I have heard alot of women mention keeping a jounal and that it helps them to have somewhere to put down their thoughts as they go thru this time of their lives.
 
My goodness, why in the world wouldn't we respond and try to help you support your daughter thru her cancer treatments? Smile  That's what we are here for is to learn and support, do whatever we can to help each other.
 
I'm so glad Lori's hubby is going with her  to her doc appointments.
Mine is always right with me and I don't know what I would do without him.  It is really hard to keep track of everything that is said.  I also take a notebook w/my questions and write down things so I can look at it later.
Course sometimes hubby and I hear things differently, but I'm glad he's there.  Wink  
 
Another tip I might suggest is that I pack a "chemo bag" that I take w/me to appointments and treatments.  I keep my notebook w/info/questions, a book to read, magazines, water, snacks, info on my chemo, etc., whatever one would like to have handy.
Meds if need be.  Some women like to read or do crossword puzzles, whatever they enjoy to help pass the time.
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 16 2007 at 8:59am
Hi Amy,
I am sorry that your Mom has not been there for you. I guess each individual responds to a crisis differently.
 
When Lori was first diagnosed, I contacted every woman I knew that has been dx with bc. However, we soon found out that when your dx"s is TNBC, it is an altogether different scenario.
 
I searched the internet and found all of you! What a blessing. Every day I am passing some bit of info along to her.
Is the "T" the Taxotere? I do know that she had the Adriamycin last Friday.
 
Her onc was on vacation for her 1st chemo. Will she get the "red devil" again? She wasn't sure when I spoke with her this AM. Pam had said that you can only have this one time or a certain amount in your lifetime.
I will ensure that she has cottage cheese and mashed potatoes. About the pears...fresh or canned?
 
She told me this AM that the hamburger and rice that I made really did help as this was evidently the protein that she needed.
And this Am...she ran I believe she said 3 miles. Did develop some cramping in her calves, but thought that was because she was not running as fast as she usually does. It was 14 miles that she bicycled yesterday. But hey! What's a mile when you just went through chemo!!!Wink
 
When our grandson was Dx with leukemia I had people telling me that "It was for a reason"!!! My response was...WHAT????(Along with other expletives)!! Never quite found out the reason even after all these years! All the pain and suffering he went through and we still feel it to this day!!
We are grateful that he is still in remission after all these years. But it is always in the back of your mind that it can return.
You take care and I will be thinking of you as you too go through this.
Hugs
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 16 2007 at 9:33am
Hi Pam,
As I said to Amy it was a 14 mile bike trip, not 15 yesterday. She couldn't quite do 15 she said. She has always excersised as much as she could. Very fit. Although she said that today she is only weighing 102. She is forcing herself to eat. After her run today, she was feeling quite well. Her DH said that perhaps it was better to run than bike and if she feels dizzy she can just sit down, IN LIEU OF FALLING OFF THE BIKE!LOL
 
The blurred vision has dissapeared, but she still is waking up with a headache. Her ONC I believe is still on vacation.
 
Again, I am grateful that you all have responded. Probably should have searched for you when she was first DX. Since her hubby goes with her he tends to hear the positive and she, the negative. I know that he wites it all down. But he also has a very keen memory. She usually does also, but for the past 2 months it has been very cloudy.
 
I will admit that when I read of any one of you being DX for a 2nd time, I am crying. One time is more than anyone should have to endure, and you should then be cured. Of course there is no cure! This should not be!!! I know that it is one day at a time, but we must and will be thinking of the many many years to come. We will not give up!!
 
We were looking for Seagram's ginger ale as it contains real ginger, so that she will have something that might fend off the nausea. Wouldn't you know that it is seasonal around here. They sell it in State College, so that is on the list also.
 
I told her about the silky cami's but I really want her to pick them out, and I'll get them. I'm afraid that an old lady's taste is somewhat different  than hers.
 
Talk with you again tomorrow.
HUGS!!
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 17 2007 at 9:41am
Wow Nancy I tell ya, reading of your daughter's great exercise sure makes me feel like a lazy cow.LOL  Course with the CHF I recently acquired I am trying to get my strength back from that and being in the hospital so just short ventures thru the house and back to bed or the puter is about all I can manage right now.
I'm so proud of her for doing this, bet you are too.
 
Yes keep her eating only if little snacks every once in awhile. While on chemo your taste is all over the place.  If I could right now I would eat only cold cereal and watermelon.Smile  We have to keep our strength up.
 
Keep up the good work, you sound like a wonderful and thoughtful mother and this will mean the world to her. 
 
Hugs, Pam


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 17 2007 at 10:59am
Hi Pam,
 
I am sorry that you are having such a difficult time right now. You have to be exhausted! My Dad suffered from CHF, and at times just walking short distances was exhuasting. As you say, from the bed to the computer. That probably feels like a marathon to you!
 
I do not mean to make you or anyone feel badly when telling you about Lori running or biking. She has been excercising on a daily basis for about 25 years and that is what makes her feel good and reduces her stress level.
 
Having said that, I just got off of the phone with her, and yesterday she was to visit a friend after her run. Well...she said she took a shower and was absolutely exhausted! Became dizzy and could not go anywhere. Of course all she had eaten was a bowl of dry cereal before she ran. She said she won't do that again. Her # 2 daughter made her some eggs and toast and she felt much better.
 
She called the PA at the onc's office today and will be given something else for the nausea next treatment. I am still not understanding the AC. She said that she will receive the same each time. The Adriamycin, Taxotere and Cytoxin. Was it you that said that you can only receive the Adriamycin one time or just a certain amount in a lifetime? By that does it mean just the full chemo treatments (6) are equated to one time?
 
Her hair is really dry and brittle. One week today, but still not falling out. Today she had her stylist cut and shape her (3) wigs. She will only wear one for teaching as different ones could be confusing to the children. We all know that children are very perceptive and they will definitely tell her if something is not quite right.
 
When she asked the PA when she will start to feel less exhuasted, she said about a day or so before her next treatment. OKEY DOKEY!! NOW, ISN'T THAT SPECIAL! I bet all on this site can attest to that, right? She isn't sleeping either, and still those headaches. Her body is still twitching and as she said, she doesn't notice it until she tries to sit for any period of time or if she is in bed. She doesn't want to take any more "drugs" so will try Tylenol PM. They wanted to give her, ( I think) Restilin? Believe that is for RLS?
 
Send men and women to the moon, dock in outer space, develop all kinds of tecnological equipment for every facet of our lives,....but they can't even figure out what to give individuals going through chemo to help them through this. AND!! Can't find a cure. I just cannot accept that!! If it isn't profitable, it will not happen.
 
I hope that each day proves to be better for you Pam, and you gain your strength back. Even though I do not know any one here personally, I will be thinking of all of you.
Hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 17 2007 at 2:36pm
Oh Nancy you didn't make me feel bad telling me about Lori's bike riding.  I admire her for being so active.  I have a brother in law who rides hundreds of miles on his bike, it is his whole world other than his family and I've admired him for years.  I'm just a lazy ditzo I guess. Wink
 
Ok on the Adriamycin my understanding is that a person can have only so much in a lifetime.  So if you have breast cancer and they give you so many treatments of A usually around 4 you are fine but if the bc were to come back later on in one's life then they would most likely use another type of chemo.
 
That's good to hear Lori has some wigs all ready to go.  Yes those little ones are pretty perseptive to detail sometimes. 
That can be a pretty traumatic experience for some women losing their hair, I hope it goes well for her.
Me, when my hair started to come out I just shaved it down and started wearing turbans.  I personally don't like wigs but they have so many nice ones now and they look so real, it is amazing.  Otherwise you end up with hair falling all over the place, in your bed, in your soup, wherever and that upsets me so off with the hair and onto getting well.
Everyone has their way of handling it.
  I'm glad she will be able to work thru her treatments.  So many women do now and I think that is great.  The meds are getting better all the time.  Even the ones for side effects are so much better than they were 4 yrs ago that it really makes a difference.
 
Oh I will be fine, thank you Nancy, doing more everyday and have this treatment adventure to finish out so got to keep on keeping on. Thumbs%20Up
 
Have a good evening,
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 18 2007 at 9:28am
Hi Pam,
I just wanted to run something by you. When I looked at the one post where you fill in the childhood diseases, Lori has had all of them. However 2 years ago this past March she developed shingles (acute herpes zoster). Strange as it may be, so did I. We had not been around each other for well over a month even though we spoke on the phone almost daily. This was 9 months before she graduated from college. It was Easter Sunday and we all went to dinner together. She said that she had this rash on the inside of her leg. Of course I told her to go to the doctor the next day, which she did. He gave her Valtrex. Then I went 2 days later. It was too late for me to take the medicine, as I had had the rash for over 2 weeks. Mine was on my back around the bra line. My DH kept telling me that it was an irritaion from my bra. WAS NOT!! LOL After 48 years when will I learn not to listen to him? Just kidding.
 
I am curious as to whether anyone else had shingles anytime before dx?
Probably not related but it doesn't hurt to ask.
It's a beautiful day here in Central Pa. Sun is shining and a little cooler than this past week.
I hope you have a beautiful day (not just weather wise) also.
Thinking of you.
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 20 2007 at 6:17am
Oh men, yes what do they know! lol 
 
I have not had shingles personally but have a link for you,
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098 - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098
 
 
You are welcome to start a poll if you like.  I have seen shingles mentioned quite a bit on another bc board but afraid I know nothing about it.
 
Hopefully someone will jump in here with some info for you.
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Aug 20 2007 at 7:34am
Hey Nancy and All,
I have a suggestion for Lori and her hair loss ---
 
First of all, I agree with Pam, get it shaved off and be done with it!
 
When I was bald, I wore a wig at times, but most of the time, I wore a cap --- my grandkids had a blast finding me cool caps, I have quite a collection.  I bet Lori's school kids would really get into that, and it would allow Lori to go without her wig when she wants.  If it's presented as a positive thing - the medicine is doing its work - as a "cool" thing, kids handle it extremely well.  When my kids had fun with it, I became much more relaxed with it myself !
 
I wish you the very best.
Jessie  


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 20 2007 at 11:12am
Hi Pam,
Perhaps whoever posted that poll could add shingles? I did read on one site that there could be a connection. A few said that they developed shingles and then found a lump. Also, some women developed shingles during or after radiation.
 
Lori had not been sleeping since chemo (10th). Said it feels like bugs crawling all through her insides! And of course the twitching. Would go to bed, couldn't fall assleep, then finally get up around 1:30, go back to bed at around 4:30, and was sleeping until 10. Well, her brother-in-law is a RN, had completed a paper for his master's dgree which had to do with a drug specifically made for chemo nausea and also aids for sleeping. He got her Unisom, she took it Sat, slept well and then Sun. did not take it and slept all through the night. 
 
I cannot remember what the nausea drug name is, but the sec at the onc's office said that the ins. co. probably won't pay for it. They (onc) will just say that the compazine and Zofram did not work. Isn't that rediculous??? A drug made specifically for chemo related nausea and the ins. co. will not pay for it. She said it was expensive.
 
She said she felt wonderful this morning. I heard someone say that after cancer nothing else is hard to accomplish in your life. I was angry all yesterday. I can't understand why Lori is missing the P53 tumor suppressor gene in her DNA. I have read so much on the internet, but when I stumble accross something that is not what I want to hear, then I become enraged. It is what it is and we just have to claim victory!!! As she said about 2 weks after diagnosis, she had to stop being so angry as it was robbing her of the joy of each day. I do not allow her to see or hear in my voice what I feel at times.
 
You know what else she had? Warts..lots of warts. I know they are a virus, but who knows, maybe there is a connection. Since they do not have a cure and are not aggressively "looking" for one for cancer, perhaps, just perhaps all the little details of a person's life should be considered.
 
Thanks for caring,Big%20smile
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 1:25pm
Hi Nancy, I wanted you to know I just put up a new poll regarding shingles.
 
You know we mother's with daughters are in a tough spot.  When my daughter was first diagnosed I wasn't sure what do to w/my feelings in regard to her situation and/or what to say about information I came across or already knew.  We worked it out with time, course I followed right behind her being diagnosed again so now another tough spot, what do I tell her about my situation or do I edit my thoughts and comments to her and visa versa.  Angry is definitely at the top of the list sometimes.
We together have worked out that we will be honest with each other but I find it hard sometimes.  I don't really have an answer for you, guess the best we can do is be there and support best we can. 
I worry very much about my daugher and her bc but wouldn't tell her all of the feelings I have inside for her and she worries about me.  What an awful mess.
 
Another issue with bc is all the emotions we go thru, Lori will be all over the place and probably so will you with the sadness, anger, I got this under control, tears, happiness, stress, fear, we go thru it all, it comes and goes so another issue for us to deal with along with those who love us.
 
Give your Lori a hug and you too for being a great motherHug


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 3:08pm
Hey Nancy,  I was getting fever blisters alot just before my dx and had read that the herpes may contribute to certain cancers or the spread of them.  Interestingly since I began high dosages of vitamin D3 just before I started chemo I have not had a single mouth sore.  When I read on vitamin d defificiencies herpes outbreaks were listed as a symptom.  My onc tested my d levels for me, my naturopath wants them at 55.  I am now at 33 after taking high dosages for 4 months now and getting sun!  I know your daughter gets lots of sun in the summer, but it sounds like you have dark winters too.  The feds are getting ready to raise the recommended daily allowance of D because deficiencies are common and nutritionists and naturopaths believe it's related to certain cancers including breast cancer.
 
Take Care.
 
Ronda 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 3:38pm
Hi Jesse,
Sorry I haven't replied sooner.
Well today Lori's hair started coming out in clumps. We were together all day yesterday, and her hair looked a little dry, but not falling out. She was preparing her classroom, and her # 1 daughter and I were helping. Her classroom is so pretty. She made curtains for the outside large window and the window to the hallway. The material has daisies on it and the words "All things grow with Love". These little ones are going to love her to pieces.
 
She said when she came home today from orientation that she took a shower and her hair came out in the brush. So, she cut it very short where she could reach and then # 1 DD cut the back. # 1 DD had bought her an electric razor. She said they both cried but that she couldn't bring herself to shave her head. Her head had been hurting and I assume that is why. She was headed to the store just a few minutes ago and was wearing a ball cap with a visor. She said now everyone will know that she has cancer. GOOD!!! All the rest of the world should know. Perhaps if everyones name was put on the tv every minute of every day each one was dx, then the awareness would be magnafied trillions of times over!!! Maybe then a cure would be found.
 
I know that all of her students' parents know she has cancer and I know she will tell the little ones.
 
I knew this would be traumatic for her. Again, I apologize for not replying earlier to your post. You ladies are so womderful.
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 5:43pm
Good evening Pam,
I have emotions for you and your daughter also, and I don't even know you personally. 
 
Thank you for putting up a poll for shingles.
 
When Lori was first dx, she was on the internet gathering all the info she could to make an informed decision as to her treatment. She then said that she became so overwhelmed that she had to stop. I believe I stated before that she said she was so worried about the future that it was robbing her of the joy of each day. My dh and I talk constantly, and I talk with her sisters. I now of course worry about them.
 
I also have my sister to talk to. She lost her daughter last October. She had Crohn's disease and was only 33 years old. They were with her one night and the next day she threw a blood clot. As I told her I feel terrible when I cry to her, as it brings up a rush of emotions for her and her dh. But she calls every day and wants to know how Lori is doing. Until we know if this is genetic, she now worries about her other daughter. Don't know what I would do if I didn't have her.
 
When I am with Lori I don't have the bad feelings, but then I cannot be with her 24/7. That is why I must talk with her on a daily basis or see her as much as I can.
 
I must call her later and tell her that I remember what a beautiful head she had as a baby! You know...with just a little bit of hair. LOL
 
Does your daughter get on the internet for research or just the discussion groups? Do you think it would help Lori to talk to some of you gals? I guess that is left up to her, right?
 
My friend just passed her 5th year cancer free. She was diagnosed TNBC. This is the one who frequently talks with Lori. She is my age and knew Lori as a teenager. She was a teacher also. I realize that it makes a difference as to your age when dx.
 
The onc told Lori that once you pass 3 years with no rec, the chances of it returning are very slim. They didn't tell my friend that 5 years ago. Perhaps that is new news??
 
I just posted a while ago to Jesse and told her about Lori's classroom. You must read that Pam.
 
Many many BIG HUGS!!!
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 24 2007 at 11:41am
Hi Ronda,
Where did you read that herpes may contribute to certain cancers or the spread of them? Why don't they (medical profession) ask these questions?
Our # 5 daughter gets fever blisters all the time.  I am not sure if Lori had them. Of course shingles is herpes. And as I said she had warts.
 
The sun has not been out here since last Saturday. Finally it is out today and very hot. I have osteoporosis and I know that Vitamin D is essential for me.
 
Lori was taking supplements from a naturopath, but then after finding out that her white blood count dropped before chemo, she stopped them. The supplements were the only thing different that she had done before chemo. I don't know what they were, but they weren't cheap, that's for sure!
 
I will be sure to pass this info from you to Lori. I must ask her what her D levels are. She had every test the naturopath could run.
 
She has never used sunscreen. Never burns and her skin gets just a light tan. This sunscreen may be helpful, but now  they are saying that children are developing rickets due to not enough sunshine (D). So which do we want? Skin cancer or other cancers? None at all! Just find a #%$@&* cure, or the cause so it can be wiped out. Some pretty questionable ingredients in that sunscreen. Of course we will probably never know the exact ingredients. Haven't looked at a label, but perhaps it is all made in China. 
Isn't everything we touch, smell, or ingest from China?
 
So many many questions....so very few answers!
 
Thanks for the info Ronda...just keep it coming our way. Every little bit helps us to make more informed decisions. Not every thing one Dr. says is the last word. Right?
Hugs,
Nancyhelps
 


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 24 2007 at 2:04pm
Hi Nancy, 
     I heard it on the radio early in the a.m. prior to my dx and didn't think anything of it.  I looked it up and found this page from the cancer institute.  It mentions possible causes of cancer about half way down and includes a couple of different types of the herpes virus.  They also believe it has a hand in cervical cancer as well.  I found alot on the spreading of a couple of other cancers in HIV patients.  You're right, I'm hearing more and more about viruses being linked to cancer.  Who knows.
      It is hard to know what to take and what not to take by way of supplements, I was fortunate that my labs were great all the way through.  I took fish oil, L-carnitine (to repair heart damage from A), and a few different herbs for liver and kidney support that didn't  interfere with what the chemo was try to accomplish.
     We're all so different, we have to find the path that is right for us.  You can see by the link they've been trying to figure this stuff out for centuries.  We're fortunate to have the treatments we have, we are getting closer to figuring it out. 
 
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_the_history_of_cancer_72.asp?sitearea - http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_the_history_of_cancer_72.asp?sitearea =
 
Best of Luck  
 
Ronda 
  


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 24 2007 at 4:13pm
Hi Ronda,
What an informative article!
Lori had said that she was considering having a hysterectomy after regaining her strength from the chemo treatments and radiation. This article seems to suggest that there is a link between ovarian and breast cancer. Ovarian cancer is what my grandmother(maternal) died from.
 
I know that great advancements have been made in the treatment and diagnosis of cancer. But there is so much more to learn. I feel that stem cell research would find so many more cures/causes. For our government not to fund this research is unconscionable.
 
When I was in 6th grade a friend of mine, (Carol Rabenstein,5th grade), was diagnosed with leukemia. They gave her liver shots. Within 6 weeks she died. I never forgot her.When our grandson was diagnosed, I thought of Carol immediately! Medical science had advanced and there was chemo!!!
 
I had read also that certain herbs interfere with chemo. Possibly Lori's onc and the naturopath can  work together. I hope she does better the second treatment, on the 31st.
 
Thank you for sending the article. I will pass it on.
Good night from Central PA.
Nancy


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Aug 25 2007 at 10:23am
Hi Nancy, 
     So much tragedy in your family, I'm very sorry for your losses.  Life sure thows alot of curve balls and show us just how fragile we all are.  I found this other cool site on the history of chemo.  It's my understanding that we are to stay away from anti-oxidants during chemo.  I didn't take anything on chemo days (the day before, the day of, or 2 days after) but   the herbs I did take on non chemo days for liver and kidney support were dandelion, nettles, and milk thistle.  All were in whole food form, but in capsules.  I also drank dandelion and nettle tea.  Just a cup a day.  My left kidney would kind of ache on chemo days, the teas really seemed to help me.   I was taking others, but I feel these were the most helpful to support my body during chemo.  It's important for your daughter to do whats right for her.  I have always put my faith in holistic medicine, so my path using integrative medicine gave me no doubts.  Our minds are are greatest ally or adversary depending on where it takes us.  
 
Hugs to You
 
Ronda 
 
http://www.chemheritage.org/educationalservices/pharm/chemo/readings/ages.htm - http://www.chemheritage.org/educationalservices/pharm/chemo/readings/ages.htm


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 25 2007 at 2:28pm
Hi There Ronda!
Well Lori had her hubby shave her head! She said she just couldn't stand it any more. #1 DD had helped her cut it very short, but today when she and hubby went for a long bike ride, she got very overheated. With a scarf, (which she said did not allow the air to circulate), and a helmet she started getting sick. Not from the chemo, from the heat. It was 90 degrees.
 
Since you lock your feet on the pedals, and she got overheated, she said she just fell over once she stopped!!LOL Hubby was there and then they had to call #2 daughter to come and get Lori and her bike. When hubby finally got home, she said he was drenched due to the heat. (Of course they were doing the triathlon route). AHH! These foolish youngsters!
 
She says without the hair she feels LIBERATED! She said this was going to be a breeze getting ready for school! Soap all over from bald head to toes, and rinseLOL No more shaving legs and underarms and plucking those wild hairs from her chin. Although she did say that all she has to do is touch her eyebrows and they fall out. Okey dokey, time for the pencil!
 
You know why she shaved her head? Because I told her that she had a beautiful head as a baby and a little girl. So she said that to hubby and on went the clippers. She is amazed that she does have a beautiful head! Honestly, no matter how old they get, kids just don't listen to their Moms.
 
I will definitely pass on the info as to the antioxidants. I did not read that anywhere. That would mean tomato sauce and dark chocolates and many other things. She loves her tea. Her cupboards look like a tea store.
 
Lori was so very sad this morning before her bike ride. # 1 DD went back to college yesterday and she couldn't go along as she had the last 2 years, because she had in-service. She was just sobbing. This is the first full day since she was dx that the entire family was not together. #2 DD will help to fill that void I am sure.
 
My sister has a friend dx with breast cancer. The day her friend was dx and told her husband, he walked out the door and never came back. This woman's sister had breast cancer also and had both breasts removed, but they only did one of her breasts. Now my sister's friend is going back for the second mastectomy. She had been begging them to remove the other breast. When she was going through chemo, she stayed with her parents, as she had no one to help her. Just seems almost impossible to believe, doesn't it?
 
What goes round comes round! I always want to believe that everyone will respond the way I do, or the way my family does, and that is just not the case.
 
I am going to get on that site you sent me. I will probably send it to Lori. She has not said anything as to the antioxidants. Our # 1 DD has always put her faith in holistic medicine also. As I mentioned before, she is our "spiritual one".
 
Wow! You sure have tons of info to share. I am so glad that I found this site and you wonderful women.
 
Have a good rest of the weekend!
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 26 2007 at 7:50am

Good morning Nancy, I am so far behind in being on the board, chemo week-end so a little dizzy but wanted to check in and say hi.

 
Your daughter's classroom sounds like it is adorable.  I can tell the kids will love her and she sounds like she has quite a good attitude towards all of this so it will help her immensely.
 
I see she cut her hair, someone may have already mentioned this but they have some of the cutest hats out now for chemo patients.  A little cute hat to go w/her outfit, maybe a little color to her face and she'll also feel a little better.
 
My daughter reads some books and internet but doesn't go far.  She says it overhwhelms her and thinks more like your daughter but definitely wants to be informed.  She takes breaks from the reading and does what she wants when she is in the mood.  She doesn't do any boards right now either.  Only 3 rads to go and she's getting anxious to get started on her other mastectomy and reconstruction.
 
I'm so terribly sorry to hear of your niece's passing and so very young.  Your family has been thru some very sad times, I hope a happy future for all of you now.
 
Wow and congrats on your friend just passing her 5 years in remission, that is fantastic and what a great support system for Lori!
Have a good Sunday,
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 26 2007 at 7:01pm
Hi Pam,
I assume that the dizziness is just something everyone experiences? Do you have your chemo on Fridays and do you have it every 3 weeks as Lori does?
 
I don't know how you find the energy to get on the boards. I think about you and the other ladies all of the time, and seeing Lori after her first treatment, I know that those first 4 or 5 days were just a blur for her.  Lori's next treatment is this Friday, and she said that she is determined that this one will not be as bad. I believe I did tell you that she got a new anti-nausea drug. Starts with an "E". 
 
We, (Lori, her DH and I) went to the school again today to finish setting up her classroom. She had a wig on but as soon as she got home she said she took it off. She said her son (14) was avoiding looking at her. He said he just wasn't used to seeing her without hair. He is a sweetheart, and this has been very hard on him also. He is constantly doing for her. But then he always has even as a little boy.  Lori and her hubby sure did a great job of raising these kids.
 
Lori did buy a few of those ball caps and the turbans to wear. She says she will wear the wigs to school, but I would think they will be very hot in the classroom.
 
I know that you said your daughter did not live close to you. I think that the majority of families live all over the world. It is not as it was when I was young. We all lived within blocks of each other. It is so difficult when our loved ones are ill and we cannot be there to care for them. My husband is a retired Army Master Sergeant, and for over 20 years we were away from his folks and mine. Now they have all passed away and we are the "old folks"Wink
 
Thank you for your kind words in regards to our family, Pam, but you and your daughter and your family have been the ones who have been through some really tough times.
 
I believe that what really scares me is the fact that TNBC has a high recurrance rate. However, having said that, I know that after 3 years and no rec is a good thing. And as her DH said, if it happens again we will fight it again. Their faith is so very strong...mine...not so strong. I have always questioned everything. But...I love my family and just everyone...even strangers I meet...so I think only good thoughts and I do pray.
 
Well, Pam, I hope you have a better day tomorrow and are not as dizzy. I love sharing these tough times with all of you ladies. Even though Lori has not been keeping a journal, I feel as though I have been doing it for her by telling you and others what she is experiencing. And the wealth of info all of you have shared has helped her and me tremendously!
 
The "VICTORY ANGELS" are still being made. I have made 40 so far and I don't think I will stop. Now as I make one, I can say it is for Pam, Ronda, Jesse, and all of the others on this board.
 
HUGS,
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 10:11am
Thank you for the hugs Nancy!
 
I like Lori have my chemo every 3 weeks on a Thursday.
 
Well you know I think it does you a world of good to have a place like this to come and talk and share what you are going thru with Lori, you seem like such a sweet person and your feelings are very important here so it's good you can discuss what is on your mind too.  That will help you alot, especially this being a board for triple negatives who understand.  It does for me.
 
Thank you too Nancy for being here.Smile
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Vicki G
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 12:13pm
Nancy,

Just a thought....while I was having chemo I had terrible dizzy spells. One time I had to pull over on the freeway cause I thought I'd faint and crash!! Turns out I was dehydrated...It was kind of shocking to me because I thought I was drinking TONS of water...? Anyway, the doc told me to drink, drink, drink and they eventually went away.

Take care,

Vicki


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Lb Lumpectomy, IDC, Stage 2, Grade 3, 1+ node, 4 x A/C, 4 x Taxol, 33 x Rads. NED almost 4 yrs.
Los Angeles, Ca.


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 12:18pm
Hey Vicki, now there is a thought.  Dehydrated!  Well I have had to slow down on my liquids because of the CHF and taking pills to get rid of fluid so maybe there is some connection although now that I think about it
I've been dizzy after chemo from the beginning.  I'll give that some thought, thanks


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Vicki G
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 12:28pm
Hi Pam,

Sometimes it's just something that simple. The funny thing was that I was terrified to tell my doctor about it. I was thinking the worst, of course. But it wasn't until I was in his office, and the nurse was taking my blood, I told her I thought I was going to faint....She panicked (not a good sign from a nurse..) and ran and got the doc. After he gave me a big hunk of chocolate (THAT should cure everything), he told me about being dehydrated. It worked and I never had that problem again while on chemo.

I still sometimes get a little dizzy but run for the water bottle now instead of freaking out!!!

Take care,

Vicki

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Lb Lumpectomy, IDC, Stage 2, Grade 3, 1+ node, 4 x A/C, 4 x Taxol, 33 x Rads. NED almost 4 yrs.
Los Angeles, Ca.


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 2:24pm
Hi Vicki,
And yes a "Victory" Angel for VickiClap
 
As to the dizziness. I did tell Lori about drinking lots of water. However, during those first 3 days after chemo, she said she would probably just HURL!!!LOL
 
But I will relate to her your episode on the freeway and at the doctor's. I do like the idea of the "big hunk of chocolate". I know that when a person has a potassium deficiency that you can experience dizzy spells. Of course I "think" that if you drink too much fluid that you can deplete your potassium levels, if you are not consuming enough potassium rich foods. Does anyone know if that is correct? I must get my degree as a doctorBig%20smile
 
You are dx with cancer and you have to go to school to become a doctor!!!
I wonder...do they record all of the info that each cancer patient reports? If thay don't, they sure should. There is a wealth of info out there from ladies like all of you and my Lori.
 
The anti-nausea med that Lori will take on Friday is Emend. I sure hope that this one works! She went out and bought watermelon, soups, jello, and she wants me to make the boiled ground beef and rice again. I thought maybe that she was just "humoring" her old Mom by asking for it. But she said that she thought it really helped because it was protein.
 
Vicki, when you drank all the water did it make you nauseated? Was that right after chemo? I'm not sure which one of you ladies said that you must drink lots of water to flush out the chemo.
 
I know that the first day that she goes back to class (Tuesday), that DH will probably take her and I will pick her up after school. She could not drive until Wednesday after the previous Friday chemo.
 
Thanks Vicki,
Hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: Vicki G
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 3:00pm
Hi Nancy,

I'm not a doctor either (I just play one on the message boards )

My dizziness usually came, like clockwork, a week after my treatments. My chemo's were every other Friday. So the alternate Friday appts were just for blood work.( I had my treatments on Friday's so I would be able to work by Monday...I am a single mother of two and have NO help from the Ex...But that's for another post ) I think, for me, maybe I started slacking on drinking water after day 3? I figured I had flushed most of it out so I wasn't as good about it as I could have been, hence the dehydration.

I was VERY sea sick for 3-4 days after chemo and the thought of even water made me feel kinda sick. But the doctor said to drink, drink, drink then pee, pee, pee it out of me, so I forced it down. GULP!!

Yes my potassium levels went way down and the doctor had to put me on medication for it. After a while, I switched to eating a lot of bananas instead. I did NOT like those horse pills as they did a number on my stomach.

I hope the Emmend works for her. I've heard great things about it. I was given Zofran with Reglan and had okay luck with it. I only threw up after my 3rd AC. Never with Taxol though.

I'd say whatever sounds good to her, let her eat it. Even if it is chocolate



Take care all,

Vicki

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Lb Lumpectomy, IDC, Stage 2, Grade 3, 1+ node, 4 x A/C, 4 x Taxol, 33 x Rads. NED almost 4 yrs.
Los Angeles, Ca.


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 29 2007 at 3:31pm
Hello again Vicki,
 
Lori did take the compazine and Zofram. Neither worked. That's why she asked for Emend. The insurance was not going to cover it as I said in an earlier post, but the onc's nurse put in a request stating that the first two did not work. Lori has a co-pay of $50.00 for the Emend. That's probably cheap considering what the med probably costs.
 
Lori's chemo is evry 3 weeks. I know that she had a headache almost every day for at least 2 weeks. Maybe if she had really pushed the water they would have subsided sooner?
 
I fully understand you having to face this alone as a single mother. We have 2 daughters who were single moms and had no help from their ex for years. That is for another post and you should start one. There are millions of women fighting cancer and are going it alone. Not by choice, but by circumstance!!! You must work, you have no choice. I hope that you have an understanding boss and co-workers. i know how ill Lori was after the 1st treatment, and her 2 DD'S and DS and DH were right there for her.  School had not started 3 weeks ago, but for this Friday's chemo she will have a substitute fill in for the afternoon and then Monday is a holiday.  
She is more determined than the first time to not get sick.
 
Lori could not even walk straight for the first 4 days. She could not read or watch tv. Too dizzy, and as you said VERY sea sick. Bananas and tomatoes are such a good source of potassium. Potatoes also. But the skin contains the majority of the potassium. So we will get bananas tomorrow, just to be prepared. Drink....drink...drink...pee...pee...pee...eat bananas...eat bananas...eat bananasLOL Sounds like a new song to meBig%20smile
 
You sound like a fighter!!  
I will be thinking about you many times a day.
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Joan2844
Date Posted: Aug 30 2007 at 9:35am
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/08/26/a_landscape_of_hope_for_cancer_patients/ - http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/08/26/a_landscape_of_hope_for_cancer_patients/

This is a website for an organization that will create free indoor/outdoor gardens for folks going thru cancer treatment. It might be something to consider.

The article reads:

A landscape of hope for cancer patients

Colorful gardens create bright spots during dark times

August 26, 2007

When Roberta Hershon's childhood friend Beverly Eisenberg was diagnosed with breast cancer in October 2004, Hershon and other friends kept the woman's beloved garden healthy and filled her Sharon home with flowers. The women all loved to garden, and Eisenberg, who was in a wheelchair, could at least look out the window at what she had created. And nurturing the indoor plants gave her something to do.

"It lifted her spirits; it gave her hope," says Hershon, who lives in Dedham. "She and I had talked about, once she got better, doing the same thing for someone else." But Eisenberg died the following August at age 55. Hershon decided to implement the idea in honor of her friend and others stricken with breast cancer.

So began Hope in Bloom, a nonprofit that provides indoor and outdoor gardens to those undergoing treatment for breast cancer. "We wanted to improve the journey through the breast cancer maze," says Hershon. "The hospital treats your illness, but it doesn't do anything for your soul. Chemotherapy is so sterile and stark. Gardens are a way to have something pretty at your residence."

The group, which installed its first garden -- after Eisenberg's -- in July, also in Sharon, tries to get wholesale prices from nurseries and landscape design pro bono. They hope to complete 40 gardens, mostly on the South Shore, by the end of September. "It's first-come, first-served," says Hershon.

In Cohasset, Abigail Alves heard about Hope in Bloom. Her twin, Beth Anderson, had been undergoing treatment for breast cancer for more than a year. Alves knew her sister wasn't much of a gardener, but thought color and greenery would boost her spirits. She called Hershon, and this month Anderson's ordinary Hingham yard was transformed into a lovely garden.

"I just wanted to give her something pretty to look at," says Alves on a recent day, standing next to her identical sister, whose auburn hair has begun to grow back. Anderson has undergone four surgeries, four rounds of chemotherapy, and six weeks of daily radiation treatments. She is now on an experimental anti-cancer drug.

"After 18 months of treatment, this is a very, very bright spot," says Anderson, 44, who has two young children. "Every time I pull into my driveway and look at this, I'll smile."

She spoke amidst a flurry of activity unfolding around her: workers uprooting bushes, replanting them, digging holes, and putting all sorts of new things in the ground. Chris Kennedy of Kennedy's Country Gardens in Scituate designed and supervised the project, and donated the flowers and plants. Herzog Landscaping of Hingham provided free labor. This project was the first one provided to Hope in Bloom completely free of charge. The group relies on donations and fund-raisers for its budget and volunteers for its planning and gardening.

Kennedy, whose mother died of breast cancer three years ago, says the cause is important to him. "If we can do something nice for someone who has breast cancer, we'll bring out the troops," he says. "This is our gift to Beth. She doesn't have to get her hands dirty today."

Anderson stood by watching as workmen removed azaleas, hollies, and rhododendron from the front of her house and transplanted them to the side of her yard. They were replaced with boxwoods, provided by Monrovia, the large California grower. Kennedy was also installing tinkerbell lilacs in front: "What's really cool is that Beth is going to walk out the front door and smell all the lilacs. We want to make it a real colorful garden with lots of pink. Most everything here was green before."

Workers were pulling up a border plant that "just didn't fit," according to Kennedy. A weeping cherry and some coral bells stood by, waiting for their place in the plan. In fact, Kennedy's pickup truck was filled with all sorts of plants: sedum, angelonia, phlox, dahlias, mini-petunias.

Before the day was out, the yard was transformed into a lovely oasis of colors, and Beth Anderson, it seemed, was destined to become a born-again gardener. A new stone bench allows her to sit out and enjoy the garden while keeping an eye on the kids. "I also love to sit and read at the front window and look at the garden."

Her twin is also pleased. "When I called, I said my sister would just like a container plant," says Alves. "But they redid the entire front yard."

As for Anderson, her new garden has been a boon for the entire family. "It's put a smile on all of our faces; it's like Santa Claus. People think cancer is really bad. But it makes you see the incredible goodness in people." She pauses and smiles. "I have always wanted a weeping cherry tree."

For details on the program, visit http://hopeinbloom.org/ - hopeinbloom.org .

Bella English of Milton can be reached at mailto:english@globe.com - english@globe.com  




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9/06 Stage2B. Pos Nodes; Neg BRAC; TAC/Lumpectomy/Rads/Xeloda.
4/08 Local Recurrence; Mast w/ Latissimus Flap;Taxol/Gemzar/Carbo. Zometa.

NED since May 2008 :-)
www.wow-matt14.blogspot.com


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 30 2007 at 10:16am
Hi Joan,
Thank you for the link. This is a wonderful idea! If Lori could be outside 24/7, she would. She loves the outdoors. She is fortunate to have a beautiful garden at her home. She and hubby planted many, many rose bushes a few years back, and many other flowers. Unfortunately, the deer had breakfast, lunch and dinner for quite a while on the rose bushes. They live in a rural area and the deer population is out of control.
 
She has even done her classroom in a forest decor. The students think this is "awesome". Now you know you have done a good job when the little ones use that word!
 
I do have a relative who is in the garden club in our area and I will definitely give her the info. We have many people with cancer in our area. Just the smells from a well designed garden has to provide therapy. I also think that all chemo treatment centers/rooms should be facing a garden and have accessibility to that garden. There should be flowers/plants in the room also.
 
I must tell you that Jeremiah 29:11 is the verse that she has looked to since her dx.
 
Thank you for thinking of Lori,
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Aug 30 2007 at 12:29pm
Vicki and Nancy, love your sense of humor and appreciate the information on water and potassium.  I get confused on the potassium and yes Vicki, you are right, the pills are huge! lol

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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Aug 31 2007 at 2:12pm
Hi everyone,
Well, Lori called from the treatment room about an hour ago. She was pretty upbeatSmile
 
Onc was doing things a little differently this time. They said she could take all of the anti-nausea meds instead of trying one and then another. They gave her the Emend before the chemo. They were going to run a potassium IV simultaneously with the AC, but then found out they could not do that. She is pushing the water just like all of you said to do. (Especially Vicki ...with the drink ...drink... pee...pee...)LOL She said she did not eat one thing today that she really liked, so that she won't be turned off by it when she goes to eat it after chemo. One of you ladies had said to do just that. She is listening!!!
 
Her white blood counts were down a little but the onc was not that concerned. She told him that she was eating foods with white sugar, simply because she had lost so much weight the week following chemo, and was stuffing herself with anything and everything. He said that was fine as she could stand to gain a few pounds.
 
It's a standing joke with our 5 girls that if their Dad says they look really healthy, ...........they go on a dietLOL
 
I emailed her the article that Pam had posted today. I hope she can see to read it. If not, I will read it to her. As I said in another post that had to be the one her DH found.
 
When she fell off of the bike last weekend she said she was cocerned that she might bruise. She did bruise her knee, but it has already gone away. So, I am guessing that is a good thing.
 
Nurse could not use the vein that they used the last time. It was hard. Did find another. They said they might have to put a (I forget the name) in her arm if the same thing happens to this vein. She did not call it a port. Can't believe that I forgot what it is called from an hour ago!
 
She said yesterday when she went in for blood work that she saw a young woman who was pregnant. Her ONC is a very compassionate person and seemed distracted today. He said that he had several difficult cases and she asked if the pregnant woman was one of them. Yes was his answer. Lori did not know her, but she felt her pain.
 
ONC told Lori that he had not had dinner with his family in 7 years!! He just can't turn anyone down for an appointment and is there for their chemo. Yup! Cancer does not wait for anyone! It just keeps growing until nasty stuff kills it!!
 
She should be done now and on her way home. I told her she cannot stop at the wig shop this timeLOL She said she was going home and they were giving her something that will make her drowsy. Maybe if she justs go to bed  she won't throw up. Keep your fingers crossed that she is not as ill.
 
After reading the message on the gal from Canada, I would say we are very fortunate to have the meds we have here. Having said that, we are still many years behind Europe. FDA has yet to approve some of the drugs that they are using, and have been proven to be effective. Guess that's why, if you have the financial resources... that you go to other countries for that extra "insurance" to make you well.
 
Only you ladies can relate to what Lori is experiencing right now, and I know that the empathy and compassion is there from all of you. I can read it in your posts. Thank you for listening to me go on and on sometimes.
 
Have a good evening ladiesSmile (I know I will be online later)
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 01 2007 at 7:36am
Good afternoon everyone!
Well it is 12:16 pm Saturday, and Lori has not thrown upClapClapClap
 
I talked with her about an hour ago, and she said that she slept in a recliner last night and did sleep! She took that sleeping pill and more Emend for the nausea at 3am. She ate this am and was able to read!
 
Now, I have to tell all of you that the insurance company denied the prescription for Emend! She was able to get the script filled, but then they got a letter denying the payment. What a crockAngry Her husband called the insurance company and they said that they would ok it . I sure hope that she can get it for the next time as that is what kept her from throwing up.
 
This is a medicine that has been proven to work for patients on chemo and the insurance companies hire people specifically to find ways to deny the payment.
 
Her onc said that she was not a success story from the first chemo treatment. She was in a very small % group who react this way. He also told her to really push the salt. So, while I was on the phone with her last night, she had cherry tomatoes covered in salt, chicken soup, and then chicken boullion. She also ate popcorn covered with salt, but without the butter.
 
And... Vicki,...she was consuming lots of water. LOL
 
Her first chemo she meditated and listened to a tape while they were administering the Adriamycin. Said she couldn't watch that go in. Well, now she can't listen to the tape anymore as it reminds her of that "red devil"Ouch
 
Just wanted to touch base with all of you to tell you that all you have told me is helping herClapSee, there is a reason I found this site!!!
 
Hugs to all for today,
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Sep 01 2007 at 9:42am
Hi Nancy, boy what a great mom you are and Lori is continuing to do pretty good, how super is that?
 
Good for her hubby complaining to the insurance company and getting the Emend approved!
 
We love hearing from you and keeping us updated on Lori.  Also you seem to be right up there with current information so you are also a big help for us, thank you for that.
 
I'm not sure what they are wanting to put in her arm, ouch them poking for an IV isn't funny though.  Why didn't she get a port?  They are so much easier for those needles.
 
Have a good holiday week-end and keep checking in Nancy,
 
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 01 2007 at 11:01am
Hi Pam,
 
As soon as Lori calls we will be going out to see her. She said this morning that she was going back to the recliner to rest.
 
You know, I'm not sure if they offered her a port. I do know that the drainage tube from the mastectomy drove her crazy. They did say that they could put a "pick line" in her arm. However, yesterday the nurse said that since she has only 4 more times to go that she thought they would be able to find a vein. Only 4 more times to go? Seems like an eternityOuch
 
Lori does not want to tell her students that she has cancer. She feels they will not understand. Maybe she will later in the year. Perhaps that is another reason she doesn't want a line or port put in.
 
Our grandson who went for chemo every week for 3 years never had a port put in. Now that was amazing to me.
 
She has already made a hit with the children. One little boy said he wants her for a teacher every year. Another little boy left the classroom for the day and came back just to give her a hug. Could be that blonde wigWinkWinkWink 
 
I just got back from the store and I picked up a mango. On one of the posts someone said it was the "fruit du jour". She never had one and neither did I. I guess you eat it like an apple, but you can peel and slice it. Read that in a little book in the produce section. Hey! If it helps keep those nasty cancer cells away, eat it!
 
Lori said that yesterday morning before the children came in she cried to the teacher with whom she had shared last years class. She didn't know why she was crying. Then she said it must have been psychological. Just thinking about going for chemo in the afternoon. Probably right? I know that I was crying yesterday and just waiting for her to call.
 
I forgot to watch that documentary...Crazy Sexy Cancer on TLC on Wednesday. My sister watched it and said it was great. Supposedly it will be on again September 30. I cannot forget that. Did you watch it?
 
How is your daughter this week? Has some of your energy returned?
How in the world do you keep up with even daily chores? Actually, none of that matters does it? Just get well!
 
Have a good evening,
Hugs to you and your daughter from me and my family,
Nancy
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Sep 02 2007 at 12:11pm
Nancy let me know about the mango, I've never tasted one either.
 
My daughter's children are 6 and 9 and she spent alot of time trying to figure out how to handle this w/her little ones.  With momma having her sick times, being gone to the doc, having surgeries, losing her hair, on and on it can be very confusing for little ones and I hadn't realized very much how this has to be handled in a certain way too.  Your daughter has a classroom!  My first time I had c I had teens and so things weren't so fragile although I wouldn't go bald around them.  Now I do but then they are grown. lol  Got braver this time I guess.
 
Evidently the nurse thinks she can find good veins for the next few treatments, I know 4 sounds like alot but with the love and support Lori has she will be fine and done before she knows it.
 
My daughter is tired but doing a little decorating in her kitchen.
Me I haven't been able to keep up with chores in what seems almost a year with so much going on.   Hubby is a big big help but you know us women, we have our "things" we like done but I've learned to accept his help and be grateful, walk past that piece of lint on the carpet.
I'm not as dizzy now but my legs are so weak I can hardly stand for very long.  But I know it will be better soon. Smile
And I want to go shopping!  I've lost it. LOL  My head is one place and my body another.
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 02 2007 at 3:17pm

Evening Pam,

I'll have to ask Lori what she thought of the mango.
I cannot even begin to imagine how your daughter is managing everthing in her life. 2 small children, the surgeries, chemo and rads, and just getting out of bed every day. How the H--- does she do it?  There are probably millions just like her going through all of this and to the vast majority of the population, they don't even know they exist. For those with substantial incomes, nothing changes. For everyone else...you must just go on, as you have no other recourse.
She is decorating her kitchenClap!!! Good grief! But she is WOMAN!! HEAR HER ROARLOL
 
Maybe this is something that should be considered for 'MICHAEL MOORE "!!   It is not a laughing moment...it is life. Life goes on and most of the time only the families are affected.
 
You...just like a redblooded woman...want to go shopping ...even though you can hardly walkLOL 
 
Just got off of the phone with Lori before I got on the puter, and today was not a good day. No throwing up, just feels as though a mack truck hit her. No dizziness or blurring just exausted. She went to church this morning...bad idea! Then they weny to Cracker Barrel, (UGH!!! hate that place), and she slept in the car until they could get a table. Then she went to Staples to make copies and it hit her!!!! She had to go home. Slept for a few hours on the recliner and is just really down. She said that if the cancer comes back she will not go through this chemo again!!
 
You know Pam, before she was dx, she was not sick at all! Then she had 2 sugeries as I told you, and came through those with flying colors. But the chemo....this is  horribleAngry all she ever wanted to do was teach, and she will do that, but not without much agony at times. 
 
She did look great last evening when we were there. Eating those ginger snaps and laughing and couldn't believe how great she felt...compared to the 1st chemo. Oh yeah, her hubby said that the milk she was dunking her ginger snaps in was spoiledLOL She didn't know because her taste buds are all screwed up from the chemo. Guess you ladies need a taster like the kings had in the olden days?
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 02 2007 at 3:20pm
Hey Pam,
I hit something on the puter and it went blank. Did post but I didn't get to sign.
Have a great what is left of the long weekend and send some hugs to that daughter of yours and to you family for loving and caring for you.
Hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 04 2007 at 5:09pm
Hi everyone,
The last 2 days have been horrible. Lori has been crying and I believe just angry. She was teaching today but said that she was "not a good teacher today". She went to bed when she got home and slept.
 
I just got off of the phone with her and she said that the vein in her arm was turning brown. What is that? Does it mean that the vein is collapsing?
Her arms are very small and they have to use the right arm due to the mastectomy being on the left.
 
She said that she will never go through chemo again. She doesn't even want to finish the last 4 treatments. I know that she is doing this for her family, and not for herself. I imagine that is what all of you do. She is back to talking in a whisper. What I mean is that she sounds like she doesn't want to talk. Her will is broken...maybe that's what I mean.
 
She had said yesterday that her heart was racing when she took a deep breath. She didn't have the time to call the onc today, but said that wasn't happening now. This damned chemo literally destroys the body to kill any microscopic cancer cell. And...will it work? Only time will tell. we just have to believe that it will!
 
She was so excited to start teaching and then just 4 days after school starts, she has another treatment and is down for the count. I just walk through the house crying and then I become more angry. Of course THAT doesn't help anything. Lori can't even go for a walk now as she is exhausted. She and hubby did go for just a short walk in the woods yesterday. But she loves to run, and can't do that!Angry
 
How do all of you do this? Take care of your families, work, and some of you do not have the help that you need. You are all true'WARRIORS"!
 
I am sorry, but it is just immpossible to feel "up" when Lori's world is in a tailspin. From the moment she was first dx she said that time was at a standstill for her and everyone else's life just "went on". She is right.
 
Hugs to all of you wonderful women out there,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 05 2007 at 3:12pm
Evening everyone!
 
Well today was somewhat better. Lori decided to stop wearing the wig and go with a pretty scarf along with hoop earings. The students noticed right away and asked about it. She said she was the "Gypsy teacher" today. Their reply... great! One of the students asked if she was having a bad hair day.. and she replied yes she was. No more questions, just pure unadalterated (sp?)acceptance. She saw many of her students from last year and they all just greeted her with a ..."Hi! Mrs. C"! Out of the mouths of babes comes love and acceptance. Too bad it isn't that way with adults. They either stare and then turn away, put their eyes down, or get that look of pure pity on their face. That's what people did when our grandson lost his hair.
 
Lori said that the morning seemed very long today. She was exhausted by noon. This is the 5th day after chemo. After she ate lunch she felt better. She is still  sleeping in the recliner as lying down gives her a headache. Did any of you experience that? I told her I had read on one of the posts  that someone sat up to sleep and it made it better. Not sure if it was on TNBC.
 
There doesn't seem to be much "traffic" on this site. However, I must keep reminding myself that all of you are experiencing the same things as Lori, and she sure doesn't feel like even talking. That feeling of the flu, only 3000 times worse is the way she feels. She lost 3 pounds, and she has been eating everything in site. Do any of you lose weight during treatments?
 
Do many of you experience depression? Did any of you choose not to take chemo? Many of my friends dx with breast cancer went through depression.
 
Have a good evening ladies.
Many hugs and pleasant thoughts sent to all of you.
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Sep 06 2007 at 5:39am
Nancy,
I haven't written often myself, but I've been keeping up with all your posts.  I can't tell you how much I admire you and Lori.  She's going thru this horrible trial and you're with her thru every struggle.  Your writing is such that even we are very anxious to get the next "episode".  It's an amazing gift for you to allow us to share in your family's very personal experience. 
 
Those of us who have heard those word's "You have cancer" are hungry for the companionship of each other.  No one else quite understands how hearing those words changes your life, almost every aspect of it.  There are so many differences that can't be explained, only felt.
 
 Lori is so blessed to have such loving support.  I'm 63 and my Mom 93.  This is the first serious trauma I've had without her being right with me. She still has every brain cell and functions extremely well, but her efforts now must be with my Dad (94, blind and paralized by a stroke).  It broke both our hearts that she couldn't be physically with me, but we're together by phone every night and I rely on that. 
 
Thank you for sharing so very much.  Hopefully we're giving you much support in return.  It's amazing how much affection can come thru the Internet !
 
Hugs,
Jessie    Hug
 
     


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 06 2007 at 5:02pm
Evening Jessie,
 
Sometimes when I post I feel as though I am actually talking with all of you. When our grandson was dx with leukemia, there was no internet to speak of. That was  in 1991. I didn't have a computer until 1998. There is a wealth of information at our fingertips, but sometimes it can be overwhelming and not what we want to hear.
 
I am so sorry that your Mom cannot be therewith you. I know how she must feel. Look at her age! How wonderful that she can talk with you every day and probably "feeds your soul".
 
How I wish that my Mom was here to talk to. Dad died in 1988 and in 1990 Mom became ill. She was in her own home andmy dear sister cared for her. Then I insisted that she become a resident in a long term care facility. My sister was worn out physically and mentally. Mom lost her sight about a year before that and was very frail. Once she was in the facility, she started to improve. Mom was an RN and very intelligent. She lived there for 7 years. A year before she died, she had one leg amputated, and then a little over a month before she died she had the other leg amputated. But before the first leg had to be amputated, I took her to church at her church every Sunday and she enjoyed those years. I worked in the geriatric field and I know how important it is to stay in your own home for as long as you can. However, sometimes loving someone means allowing others to help you care for them. I told her everything that happened in the family all of the time. She was my rock!! I still talk to her and my Dad.
 
She and Lori were very close. She was so proud when Lori became a nurse. Mom died on September 27,2000. She would have been 87 on October 31. She knew that Lori was going to college to become a teacher.
My brother and I were fortunate to be at her bedside when she took her last breath. we told her that we loved her and kissed her goodbye. It was her mother that died of ovarian cancer when Mom was 9 years old.
 
I do hope that your Mom has the resources to help her care for your Dad where she lives. the local Area Agency on Aging in most states provide  a ton of help.
 
Talked with Lori just a while ago and she and hubby went for a bike ride last evening. She said that she really wants to run but is just not up to that yet. Her legs are too weak. The bike ride was at least cool. It has been very hot here the last few days and will be that way tomorrow. She said she had a terrible headache again and left her tylenol in her purse in the car. Her classroom was very hot (no AC), and that didn't help her headache any.
 
The children did not say a word again today about her scarf. They are just the medicine that she needs. Don't you just love little childrenClapHowever, when she went in a local store to get a pretzel this morning, everyone stared at her. They know you have cancer, so why stare? I'm sure glad we taught our girls better than that.
 
Lori,hubby and  their daughter and son are going to visit daughter # 1 at college tomorrow and for the week-end. They do have namesLOL Really they doLOL
 
Please tell your Mom that I send my best to her and your Dad. Tell her I can feel her pain because she can not be with you. Your Mom is living proof that no matter how old our children are, we still worry about them and want to do for them.
 
Many hugs to you and your family Jessie. I have a 14 year old grandaughter with the same nameClap She lives in Arkansas.
 
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Sep 08 2007 at 9:25am
Hi Nancy, what a cute story about Lori being a Gypsy teacher that day.
 
Boy I'm so sorry to hear she has been having a bad time, they do seem to come and go unfortunately, some worse/better than others.  Then as treatment moves along it can accumulate.  I hope Lori will speak w/her Onc and tell him everything that has been going on, maybe they can give her something to help.  Definitely depression can creep in at times and alot of women write that they take something to help.   As you are seeing cancer affects you not only physically but mentally, it's a plate full for sure.
 
Alot of what you are saying Lori is going thru sounds very familiar I'm afraid.  I remember my first go around I had about 2 treatments left and I was refusing to go back for more.  Hubby said I would go if he had to toss me in the car! Smile  I had just had it.  Now when I look back even though c so kindly came back to me I am glad to know I did all that I could but it can zap your body and your strength. 
 
Lori having the love and support that she does from her hubby and family will make such a difference.  She'll be ok but she will have her ups and downs and she knows you love her and are there for her and believe me that means alot.
 
Hugs
 


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 08 2007 at 6:20pm
Hi everyone,
Well, just got off the phone with Lori. She was calling from Phili. Had a really bad day and was crying. She said every bone in her body was hurting. The trip down took almost 5 hours, and she felt every bump in the road. Then it was all she could do to climb the steps in the townhouse where daughter # 1 is staying for this semester of college. She is having intestinal problems also. They went shopping, or at least tried to, but she had to go back to the hotel and lie down. She said that her spine was really hurting.
 
She said that as they were walking through the mall everyone there was laughing and talking and she felt so bad that all she could think about was herself, and how miserable she was feeling. I tried to assure her that at this point both in her life and ours, that it IS all about her, and will be for quite a while.
 
I guess the Neulasta causes the bone pain, but I told her that she needs to call her onc right away on Monday. Lori said that there should be some sort of manual given to everyone taking chemo as to exactly what they will be experiencing. Or at least what to expect. Apparently Magee Women,s does have that but not our hospital.
 
Because she has always been so physically active this is very depressing to her. She can't run or even walk any distance without feeling pain. She is afraid to eat anything and then leave an area without rest rooms. She has lost more weight, and cannot understand why, as she is eating as much as she can. Did any of you lose weight?
 
Dear hubby is so very understanding and loving. He even had her wig on while we were on the phone, and was tossing his head and running his fingers through itLOL She is so lucky to have him! Actually, she chose him so I guess she is the smart one.
 
Lori is definitely going to talk with her onc as to working with the naturopath, to help with the next 4 chemos. There has to be something she can take that will make it easier, other than another drug which does more damage. Did all of you experience the extreme bone pain? Lori has a very high threshold of pain, so when she says she is hurting...she is hurting!Ouch
 
This past week the weather has been very hot here. So that didn't help matters any. And the school has no AC. If we lived in a larger city, I am sure that the onc would be working with a naturopath as they do in Oregon or California. 
 
I want all of this to be over for her and I don't ever want her to have to go through this again. She apologizes for calling and  crying and says she doesn't want me to be depressed. This is a woman who has always put everyone else first, and perhaps she is feeling guilty for being the center of attention. You women deserve to be treated like queens for enduring this for us...your families.
 
Many hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: trip2
Date Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 9:29am
Oh Nancy I'm so sorry Lori is having such a rough time.  Yes the Neulasta shot can cause bone pain.  I hope she can get something for relief from her Onc today when she calls.
 
The intestinal problems can sure be an issue.  I was told to use Imodium AD, the nurse had a sheet telling how to take it and then that wasn't working so they gave me a script for Lomotil which works much better.
 
Not being able to be as active can be hard on us, we are going to have times like this unfortunately, some worse than others but it will pass.
It's just tough getting thru and I'm sure harder on the younger ones although I find it a bummer having been pretty much housebound for the last few months and can't even drive, it's frustrating!
 
I know this is unsettling for you to see Lori going thru this.  The loved ones are in a tough spot since they have no control and can't do much other than support and love, be there to hear the good and bad but remember she will get better.  No one wants to hear or see their child experiencing this for sure.
 
I hope she is much better today, best wishes to her and you,


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Stage 2 2003
Stage 1 2007
BRCA 1+


Posted By: Vicki G
Date Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 12:05pm
Hello Ladies,

Sorry to be so quiet. They actually want me to work here at my office! Can you imagine??

God, that bone pain was horrible for me. It reminded me of the back labor I had with my daughter, she was 9+ lbs!! OUCH!! There were several times that I left work in tears because of it. The doctor prescribed me something called Ultram. Didn't touch it! Then we moved onto Vicoden and that seemed to help a little.

It sounds weird but walking thru it helped the most. I know its difficult to even just get up, but it does help if you can.

I feel for her. This brings back a lot of bad memories for me. Tell her to try a hot bath too (with a glass of wine!). Anything to help her relax.

It was worse for me with Taxol (and Neupogen). The Neulasta did it too but not as bad with AC.

I know how bad it sucks to feel so weak. I'm one of those people who go to work and continue with my regular stuff no matter how horrible I feel. Looking back on all this cancer sh*t, I wish now that I would have just raised the white flag and taken some of the help that was offered to me. But being the martyr that I am (ok, I was), I didn't do it. Tell her to slow down. You can't go thru chemo and expect to still be a superwoman. You can try but then you'll be especially disappointed when you can't. I know..!

Hugs,

Vicki

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Lb Lumpectomy, IDC, Stage 2, Grade 3, 1+ node, 4 x A/C, 4 x Taxol, 33 x Rads. NED almost 4 yrs.
Los Angeles, Ca.


Posted By: cg---
Date Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 3:33pm

Dear Nancy,

I just started my Taxol and I get the Neupogen shots also.   I thought the Neupogen bone pain was bad, but nothing prepared me for the Taxol muscle/bone pain along with the Neupogen.  I could not sleep last night because of the pain everywhere.  My oncologist said "just take a couple of plain Tylenol for the pain"......let me tell you, I was taking Tylenol No. 3 every 4 hours and it did not touch the pain.   I finally called my family doctor who sent some Percocet which has just taken the edge off the pain.... I am always on the go and nothing has ever stopped me before.....but the new challenge of the treatment pain has made going up stairs a Herculean effort. 

These oncologists minimize the effects and then make us feel like "wimps".   I asked the home care nurse today and she said that every woman she sees has the bone pain and are in even worse condition.....so she thinks it is quite unfair that the "achiness" is downplayed to the women on treatment.
 
Please tell your dear daughter that the pain will exhaust her and she needs her strength....so please get some pain medication. 
 
My vet was kinder and more compassionate to my dog Max when he had cancer, she had him on a Fentanyl patch when he was being investigated so that he was comfortable.   cg----
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 4:14pm
Hi Vicki,
See, this is why I tell you ladies what Lori is experiencing! You know the answersClap
 
Lori has a difficult time with almost all of the pain medications. That is why she was so ill after the mastectomy. Before surgery they always give you morphine. Well, that threw her for a loop! Hurl! hurl! hurl!
 
Vicoden! Wow! Before my Mom had her first leg amputated, they gave her vicoden and oxycontin. I can't tell you how many times I had to rush out to the nursing facility just to calm her down. She thought they had her in the parking lot giving her a showerConfused Why do you think the druggies are robbing the pharmacies for these 2 drugs?
 
Lori does take tylenol, but Saturday nothing was helping. I definitely will tell her about the walking, but that day she could barely walk the steps to see her daughters room at the college. She said every bone in her little body hurt.
 
And the hot bath...OMG... I didn't even think of thatEmbarrassed She doesn't drink, but me thinks that with taking chemo...what an opportunity for an excuse to drinkLOL I have a glass of wine every night. Perhaps this could be a new venture in her lifeWink  # 1,#4, & #5 daughters also enjoy a glass of wine.
 
Vicki, you and Lori would get along just great. No matter what, she will be at her job, or to whatever else she has committed. Martyr? Not sure that either she or you are that. Just someone who anyone can count on.
 
She did say that she talked with her boss today and told her that she will be taking off not only the Monday after chemo, but also the Tuesday. Of course, the bone pain wasn't until Saturday which was 8 days after. I am certain that she won't be taking any 5 hour car trips on that day any more.
 
She had herself all pumped up that she was going to meditate, but as I said that didn't work, as she was in too much pain. The emotional rollercoaster is terrible for all of you.
 
I am sorry that what I wrote brought back bad memories. I truly do not want what I tell you that Lori is experiencing to hurt any of you. I know that she was talking to a teacher who had bc 15 years ago, (yes 15Clap), and all of a sudden Lori realized that perhaps she should not be relating all of these fears and emotions to her. This woman was so wonderful to her but you know she felt just what you said. Lori said that she could hear it in her voice.
 
Were there times when you very hungry and then when you got the food you thought you wanted... it made you ill to think of eating it? I was on the bc.org site and one woman said that she was craving sugar, and drank 100% pure maple syrup. GADS!! Lori has been craving sugar, and we know that is a bad thing for cancer. But due to weight loss, if she can eat it..she should eat it.
 
She was going to call her onc concerning the severe bone pain, but their office was closed when she got out of school. I told her she MUST call tomorrow!  See I'm the "BIG GUNS". She usually does what I tell her.
 
I believe that Lori is living proof of your statement about being the superwoman. She wanted to be able to continue with the same old...same old... but that is not going to work. Your body will resist. Bodies were not designed to withstand chemo. No siree!! She was going to try to do a bike ride when she went home but not until the sun was almost down. Too hot! Remember... she fell right over with the bike the last time, and it was due to the heat.
 
I can hear the humor in your posts Vicki. We have to laugh. It is good for all of us. I read a post on bc.org, that was a quote form Winston Churchill. It said "When you are going through hell...just keep on going!" Told that to Lori and she just roared. So wonderful to hear her laugh a belly laugh. #2 daughter says there is a country song by that title. Have to get that oneLOL
 
Thanks for the "been there...done that.. advice"
 
love and hugs,
Nancy
 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 4:53pm
Hi cq,
I believe that unless your dr, onc,radiologist or even a nurse has been dx with cancer, gone through chemo and radiation, they should not be allowed to even question that the pain is what is isAngry They would probably have themselves hooked up to a morphine drip!
 
Just take a couple of tylenol? OMG!!! WHO ARE THEY TALKING TO??? You are right! If we treated our animals this way someone would report us to the humane society!
 
Lori said that the tylenol did nothing. When you can't sit on the commode without crying, (and the chemo has you there), and the bones in your buttocks are hurting so bad...you are not a wimp! They (all oncs, etc.) are jerks for downplaying the effects of these drugs.
 
I had 5 children, 2 of which were twins, first one breach, second one caught under my rib cage, and if my dear hubby would have had to give birth, we would have had only those 2LOL So glad that the woman is the one who has that responsibility as I cannot imagine life without our girls.
 
Maybe this is a show for Oprah!! Aren't there men out there who are getting a chemo regimen similar to the bc regimen? Wouldn't they also get the Neulasta or the Neupogen? Lori's radiologist had cancer. Not sure what kind. But of course she hasn't gone through the rads treatment yet.
 
I just said in a post to Vicki that Lori cannot tolerate any of the pain medications. She just HURLS! That's why she said that if the bc comes back she will not do chemo again.
 
Lori 's AC is Adriamyacin, taxotere, and cytoxin. They advertise the Neulasta on tv as something wonderful, as I am sure it is. But they sure as heck don't advertise the side effects.
 
By the way...it is not "ACHINESS"! Is that what the oncs think it is? NOT!!It is called excruciating pain!! Lori never complains about pain, but Saturday she was crying so hard because she was in pain. Not at all like my daughter. Pushed herself 2 years ago to do the triathlon. won first place in her age group. Trained for months, every day, running, swimming, biking. trained until she thought she couldn't do it any more...but she did. This is downright horrible pain and no medalLOL
 
Ok! I am once again all pumped up!! It does me good to get like this! LOL!
I will call her in a few minutes and tell her what you and Vicki said. She will tell her onc that this is not achiness.
 
What a dear you are to tell it like it is. Thanks CQ.
 
Many hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:04pm
Hi All,
Just got off of the phone with Lori. She feels really well. Ran 3 miles today and yesterday rode the bike 16 miles. Said that today her legs were cramping at first, but then she was fine. Plans on biking again tomorrow and then running on Thursday. She is planning on going back to the fitness center to start lifting weights again. Says she has no muscle tone. I know that she should rest, but it is her body, and doing these things reduces stress.
 
I have a question for all of you. I have not read on any of these posts concerning the P53 tumor suppressor gene. Lori said that the first tumor was triple negative, and that she did not ask what the second one was. Did not want to know. However, because she is missing the P53 gene that made her triple negative. I'm sorry to sound so ignorant on this subject, but since none of you on this site ever mention that do any of you have any info?
 
Maybe CalGal or Ronda? Would appreciate any info.
 
Hugs,
Nancy
 
 


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:16pm
Hi Nancy,
     I don't know much at all about p53.  I poked around and found this study.  It's really confusing to me too.  I know I was not tested for any of these indicators, and wonder if we should be insisting on it.
 
http://www.genengnews.com/news/bnitem.aspx?name=15962983 - http://www.genengnews.com/news/bnitem.aspx?name=15962983
 
I know all of this kind of relates to the sub-type question.
 
I'm glad Lori is feeling better.
 
Ronda


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:25pm
Ronda,
Then why in the world would they not have used the cisplatin for Lori?
I don't know why or how that was on her pathology report.
Nancy


Posted By: Ronda
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:44pm
Hi Nancy,
     I have the same quetion! I just searched our site using the key word "cisplatin" and found alot of the research studies but very few who had it the first go round.  Judging from the side effects, maybe they don't treat early stage, only larger tumors, or mets.  Just a guess.
 
Ronda


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:56pm
Ronda,
What site did you research? This cisplatin is I believe a platinum based drug, am I right? If it works then why would they wait for a recurrence? So many questions and for some not the time to wait for the answers.
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 12 2007 at 5:20pm
Hi everyone,
I was just looking again at info on the P53 tumor supressive gene. The P53 is called the "Guardian Angel Gene". (One of the reasons I started making "Victory Angels" for Lori.)
 
I found an article from the Science Daily. It is quite interesting. For me anyway, considering that Lori is missing that gene. There are other articles which I consider of interest, from this page. Were any of you told that you were missing this gene in your DNA? I don't know of anyone other than Lori, and I know many women who have had BC.
 
Here's the link:
 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release/2007/09/070905133609.htm - http://www.sciencedaily.com/release/2007/09/070905133609.htm
 
Do any of you know if this publication is a good one?
 
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 15 2007 at 2:58pm
Hi Special Ladies,
 
Just spoke with Lori and she walked 5 miles today, rode her bike 15 miles on Thursday. Yesterday was raining so she "wimped out'. Just kidding. I feel like such a lump. Here is my daughter, going through chemo and she does whatever it takes to feel good. I, on the other hand just sit around , or walk around the house. Well, I really don't sit around, I have a lot of nervous energy so I look for things to do.
 
She did say that she hid a bottle of water and some wrapped zuchinni bread in the bushes on the trail, and walked 1&1/2 miles one way and then came back and ate and drank, and walked another 2 miles. She said that she gets so hungry and feels, I guess a little queasy if she exercises. Smart woman. However, there are bears in the woods in which she walks. Not sure if zuchinni bread is one of their favorites, but they will find foodLOL
 
We talked about before she was dx. I had mentioned before that she couldn't lose weight. I think she said she had been up to 111 pounds. The fact that she was always tired should have been an indication that something was not right. She said that even though she is going through chemo now, she has more energy than she did before doagnosis. The cancer was draining her energy, but we always heard that a person loses weight when cancer is present. Now she is having a hard time keeping the weight on. Please don't tell me that is bad!!
 
Lori did say that the tumor that was under the nipple tested "weakly positive for estrogen". However the onc here and the one at Magee Women's did not look at that in regards to chemo. Her first tumor was stage 11A grade 3. I know that is not good.
 
I told her about the FISH method and she has read of that, but was not sure if that was the method they used for her testing.
 
You know ladies, if you haven't gone through chemo, or have just started, indulge yourself and buy satin pillowcases. I bought 2 for Lori and she said they are so soothing. She is finally sleeping without a hat, and says her head just glides across them. (Someone on this site suggested them) She doesn't wear a wig in the house. She said she is afraid she'll forget and open the oven door ....and POOF it will be goneLOL
 
I know that Pam (trip2) is the Mother of a daughter dx with bc. I wish that we knew other mother's who are feeling what we are feeling. Jessie says that her Mom is feeling so badly that she cannot be with her at this time. I couldn't sleep last night. I was on this site posting at 3am. My emotions are still all over the place. Just reading Jeanne's post about her sister Cathy, broke my heart. She just wants someone to talk with her sister.
 
When Lori was first dx, my friend called her right away. It just happens that they are both TNBC, but she had lymph node involvement, Lori did not.  Another friend was dx with in situ, and as she said they are completely different. 
 
I took daughter #2 to have hand surgery yesterday, and struck up a conversation with a woman in the waiting room. Her friend (40 years old), was just dx with breast cancer. The friend lives in Massachussets, but goes to Philly for treatment. She had brain cancer a year ago. To you ladies...does it not sound as though perhaps she had BC, not dx, and had mets to the brain? That's what Lori thought. I was crocheting "angels"while waiting, so I gave one to the nurse to give to this woman to give to her friend. Have to get those "Victory" angels to anyone I canThumbs%20Up
 
Third chemo is this Friday. Lori already has many lemons for her water as one of you had suggested. She said that she is not even going to count chemo #6, as that will be the last. My friend said that all of her nails fell off after the 4th chemo. Did that happen to any of you? 
 
Lori will speak to her onc concerning the supplements. Wish we were in a more progressive area. But with all of you ladies who are, you can keep us well informed. What did people do before the internet? They had no choice but to do what the dr's  said. Not any moreLOL
 
Hugs to all of you,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 20 2007 at 6:30pm
Hi all you lovely ladies,
It has been almost a week since I last posted on this thread.
 
Lori has her 3rd chemo tomorrow. Why do I feel so distraught? She is the one going through this. Her Dad and I went back to visit last evening and to take her some zucchinni bread that I made. She was doing her lesson plans on the computer and turned around and saw her reflection in the door glass, and said it still startles her to see herself without hair. No ladies, she does not wear a wig or head covering in the house.
 
I look at my child with those big brown eyes, and no hair, I still think how beautiful she is. She has walked and biked this week, but not run. She has been feeling tired. She says it is allergies and sounds like she has a cold. Please tell me that is what it is! I guess I just think she should call the onc for every little thing. She said they tell you to call only when you have a fever.
 
To Ronda:
I finally gave her the list of supplements that you take and she was going to show it to the onc tomorrow.
 
Our grandson, (one who had lukemia), went to Hershey yesterday for his checkup. We will wait for the results of the tests. Did you all know that if he has a reccurence, that most likely it would recur in the testicles? I didn't know that. Apparently, neither did my daughter (his Mom). She said that his onc looked terrible. I can't even imagine how this man copes with having to dx children. He came from St Jude to Hershey years ago. 
 
Lori showed me the price of the Emend, Zofran and Neulasta on the prescriptions. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Over $3,000.00 for the neulasta, $125.00 a piece for the 3 Emends, and I forget what the Zofran was.  She said that she was going to do as I believe Ronda was doing...give whatever she has left over at the end of her chemo to the onc to give to someone who  does not have insurance.
 
I'll check in with all of you tomorrow or this weekend, but hopefully this time will be better than the last. It was the bone pain the last time. She will get in a tub of hot water this time, and she will walk as one of you had suggested, to help with the pain.
 
Many hugs to all and I do hope that you are feeling well, as I do not see very much "traffic" on the site this last week.
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 3:18pm
Evening Ladies,
 
Lori didn't get the chemo started until I believe after 2. Then they have to do something else for an hour, which makes it after 7:30pm that she will leave the hospital.
 
Lori says that as soon as they start the lines she gets all "goofy", blurred vision, etc. She also has leg cramps. Did/do you all get them? They gave her a potassium pill to take after the treatment. Of course the bananas should help.
 
Her blood counts were 2.7. Lori said that she had prayed they would be 2.4. Guess her prayers were answered.
 
I was wrong when I said she hadn't run. She has either run or walked 5 miles on one day and then biked 15 miles on the next day. OK. I swear I am the one with chemo brainLOL
 
Lori said that it was hard to find a vein this time. Nurse said that they may have to put in a pic line. Although the nurse did say that one other vein seemed to be "softening"? Lori was worried that the one vein looked like it was hardening. However, she said today that it was just bruising at that time.
 
I know that I probably sound like a babbling old idiot to you ladies, and I know that I ask questions of you that I could be asking Lori. I just think that sometimes I ask her the same question, and at least when you answer me it is written down. Try to do that when I am on the phone with her, but when we are face to face...that would be a little weirdBig%20smile
 
And don't you want to scream at people who ask...you tell..and then they ask again??? Like...what part of this don't you understand?? When I tell people that Lori has TNBC, they usually reply with...more and more women are living for years after dx. I now tell them what somebody here on this site said..."this is not your grandmother's breast cancer!" We do know that after 2-3 years, if there is not a reccurence with TNBC, there may never be!!
 
When I talked with Lori just a while ago, I told her that her Dad and I wanted to get a small tree for in the back yard. The voles have eaten everything else. I said that when we realized that it would probably take 20 years to mature...we just laughed and said ...well that's tooooo long for us at 66 and 67.LOL
 
She said to plant one, call it "The Lori Tree", and in 20 years she would come and dig it up and take it to her place! You know that is what we will do!
 
NOW THAT IS OPTIMISM!!!!!!!! THAT'S OUR LORI!!!!ClapClapClapClapClapClap SHE WILL CLAIM VICTORY OVER TNBC!!!! AND SO WILL ALL OF YOU LADIES!!!ClapClapClapClapClapClap
 
Nite ladies and many hugs to all of you,
Nancy
 
 
 
 


Posted By: English Jan
Date Posted: Sep 23 2007 at 3:52pm
Hi Nancy and Ladies,
 
I have been a "lurker" .. I just (TODAY) found the site and have read all of Nancy's posts about Lori.
 
I want to REALLY thank you for writing my pains and symptoms, I have recieved a lot of comfort, laughs,strength from your posts. It's easier to read a post than to post. THANK YOU!
 
Nancy, I noticed you said the site was quiet, please keep writing here, you are great and real!
 
I found a large lump in my left breast (don't know how I missed it)..August 3rd, mammogram, ultrasound that day. Surgeon and core needle biopsy the next wednesday. MRI left breast.
 
Yep, IDC .... had another appt the Friday, with my surgeon to decide what to do ... . but I had to have a Chest Xray,lab tests, and Bilateral MRI that Friday.
My partner and I, decided lumpectectomy ..since my lady surgeon said "Mastectomy = Lumpectomy+Radiation", that survival rate the same.
 
Okay. I called up and left a message with her office, lumpectomy was the choice.
 
She called back after hours Friday night, saying .. "Hold on, something showing on the right Breast, call my office Monday, will need a diagnostic mammo and ultrasound right breast"
 
I have NO INSURANCE.... Everything has to be paid for BEFORE treatment.
 
So .. had those tests and had to have a biopsy on Right side inder MRI, the machine broke down!!!!
Waited 3 days still not working, they took the breast mri gizmo's to our small town and did it, finally. That came back ... NEGATIVE, they left a "ring" marker inside. (MY ONLY JEWELLARY!!! and it's internal).
 
So had the lumpectomy and Sentinal Lymph Node Biopsy Dissection as an out patient, no-one said about the sloshing!! I sounded like a water balloon post surgery.
 
They used nucleur medicne injection and geiger counter. Not sure now how many nodes taken. But negative ...
 
Stage 2, apparently aggressive under pathology. Had to see the Oncologist and started chemo about 4 weeks post surgery.
 
Left arm has "nerve" pain. I couldn't sleep .. the docs so afraid to give meds... take tylenol pm!!
 
Any way started first chemo cycle on Tuesday 18th Sept (Cytoxan and Taxotere IV plus steroids) Cost me over $4000), no sickness. Then 4 daily injections of Neupogen.. this costs $420 each.
 
The 2nd day after chemo, I was wiped, couldn't lift me eye balls and yes EVERYTHING hurt, even my hair, *That the RN said would be gone within 10-14 days.
 
My family live in England .. emotionally i am up and down, crying at the drop of a hat. My mum, sisters  and family call and are very supportive. I am Triple Negative by the way.
 
My partner, is a God send .. she has been great, kind and loving.
By the way, the nurses told me to take Claritin x1 for the neupogen pain.
 
The evening of chemo, I couldn't do anything and so decided to "floss" my teeth ,,nothing eh?
One of my teeth cracked off!! So feeeling scared about "Infection",  I asked the onc doc, okay get something done quickly before White cells are really down.... my dentist decided she could keep the tooth, rather than have a hole in my head by my sinuses!!
So she has been my dentist for 4 years and I'm sitting in the chair crying!
They cut the bill my 50% to $800 !!
 
The "hot tub" helps a little for the pain, headache.  Today I feel better and I want to thank you for a great laugh about the 100% Maple syrup ... I laughed out loud for ages, until I thought i would crack up!! I am a very visual thinker, so thank you and PLEASE keep writing.
 
Bless everyone
 
English Jan
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2007 at 3:55pm
Evening Ladies,
 
I think I said this before, but at times I feel I am using this site as a "journal" of Lori and everthing that is happening at this time in her life. But if it is possible, perhaps I can save all the "entries" that I and all you wonderful ladies have written and 30 years from now she can read them to her grandchildren. Clap
 
I think I drive my sister crazy some days, but she talks to me every day, sometimes twice a day just to see how Lori is doing. It will be a year next month that her daughter died.
 
Yesterday and today was a lay-around-and-sleep this crappy chemo off for Lori. I wanted to go see her today, as I bought material for a capelet for her DD#2. (She's in the homecoming court for her highschool.) But, Lori was very nauseated and slept most of the day. She said she craves meat for days after chemo. Do any of you crave anything special? Her hubby did steaks on the grill. Then she said it was from the table to the chair. She was feeling depressed today. She still has those mood swings, and is entitled to themCry As Lori's Mom and Dad, we feel so many emotions all of the time.
 
There are times when I wake up in the midle of the night, and gasp for breath just thinking of this d***** cancer!
 
Our #4 daughter said that when she went to her GYN a few weeks ago, she told her that Lori has bc. She said that they will "treat her much differently than before". They will do MRI'S from now on. WoW! They didn't do that for me or daughter's 1,2,and 5! Daughter # 4 lives in Arkansas! Go figure. Arkansas? I truly believe that if they would do MRI's, bc would be found much sooner and be more treatable.
 
When I was in Joann Fabrics yesterday, I was telling all of the ladies who work there about Lori, and also about all of you on this site. I'm afraid I had them with tears in their eyes. But at least 5 more people know of TNBC.  They never heard of it before. When I went back today to buy the material, I apologized to one of them for babbling on and on. She said that when someone you know or their loved one is dx with cancer, it really hits home. Oh how true!!!
 
We are so fortunate that Lori has a truly devoted, loving, husband and children. She said yesterday that there are many things in her life that she is going to change right away. She wants our entire family to spend more time together. It seems that it takes a crisis to realize that family is everthing. True friends are a blessing, but if you are fortunate to have family, they need to be in your every day life as much as possible.
 
I forgot to tell you that when Lori told her onc she was either running or walking one day and then biking the next day, he just said "you're an animal". Of course this man is a runner also. I do remember her saying that he said "you know your body". She knows when she can and cannot do those things.
 
Will Lori's hair start growing back after she is finished with chemo? I can't remember with our grandson, as he was on chemo for 3 years, 1 time a week.
 
Ok ladies, I will stop now. Bless you for listening to me and not telling me to stop posting. You are my outletClap If I hadn't found this site I would be a basket case!
 
Nite ladies,
many hugs from me to all of you,
Nancy
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 5:53am
Morning English Jan,
 
How fortunate you are to have a loving, caring partner. She will provide you with everything that you will need going through this time in your life. As I said, support from family and friends make a huge difference.
I am so sorry that you have this dx. My heart goes out to you and your partner.
 
My sister works with a woman dx with bc, The day she was dx and told her husband....he walked out the door. She has been with her Mom and Dad so she wouldn't be alone.
 
How can anyone afford the treatment for cancer, or any illness without insurance? As I said, I have seen the costs for the meds that Lori takes, and it is rediculous. You said that you take Neupogen shots 4x for 4 days? WOW! Lori gives herself a shot of Neulasta, but that is only 1 time 24 hours after chemo.  That was over $3000.00.
 
Jewelry on the insideLOL Hmmmm...I sometimes wonder if maybe those markers are like the chips (id's)  they place under the skin for animals. We will be able to find you no matter where you goLOL 
 
Claritin x1 for joint pain? Have to relay that to Lori.
 
I must go through the post on everyones dx. Seems that the left breast is involved more than the right.
 
You were on a roller coaster ride with the MRI machine breaking down and the tooth and possibility of the right breast having involvement. I guess you would be on the emotional roller coaster also!
 
Lori is stage 2A grade 3, no node involvement and TN. How old are you Jan?
 
Where do you live in the states? We live in Central PA. Isn't there some hospital that you could go to where you didn't have to pay out of pocket? http://www.cancercentersofamerica.org - www.cancercentersofamerica.org   apparently help alot of people, free gratis. Please check them out.
 
It was so good to hear from someone. I am patient and know that all of you are having  some really bad days/weeks/months.
 
You tell your partner for me that she must be really special like my son-in-lawClapThere are many wonderful people like them and only a few really bad apples.
 
Have to call Lori. Really want to go visit today, but if she needs to sleep the day away to gain her strength, then we'll wait until tomorrow.
 
Many hugs to you
Nancy
 


Posted By: Brenda
Date Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 7:33am
Ladies, I live in Arkansas and have had excellent health care through all of this.  Please don't think I am offended about your surprise that Arkansas might have high standards.  I was pleasantly surprised and pleased that I did not have to travel to Dallas or Houston for my treatments.  UAMS is an excellent teaching hospital and the Baptist system is superior as well as CARTI.  Tell you daughter in AR that she is in good hands here.

Brenda


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 12:20pm
Hi Brenda,
 
I truly meant no offense to Arkansas, even though you said that none was taken. Our #4 daughter and family moved there 3 years ago, and there is much that she had in Harrisburg, Pa that she does not have there in Fayettville where they live.  She expected that. She didn't expect her GYN to be on the cutting edge, so to speak.
 
However, there are so many places in the US that do not have the quality of health care that many people need or require. That's why I was pleasantly surprised when she said that she will be having an MRI and not a mammogram from now on. My # 2 daughter and I went to Joyce Murtha Breast Care Center in Winber, PA for our mammograms last month. This is a state of the art center, and yet we had mammograms, not diagnostic, just screening. We will never have them done here again.
 
Of course our GYN could have ordered the latter, due to Lori's dx. But, most of the time the insurance cos. will not pay for a diagnostic unless the screening picks up on something, and rarely an MRI. #2 daughter had a lump that was suspicious in December of last year, and they did another mammogram but said it was nothing. That's what Lori's former GYN said also....WRONG!!!
 
Lori had to go to Maggee Women's in Pittsburgh to receive the care that she needed. Our city hospital/doctors leave alot to be desired. Evident by the fact that whoever read her ultrasound said it was a "cyst", and then the surgeon screwed up royaly!!
 
She does receive chemo here and will be getting the rads here, only because they aggreed with Maggee for the treatment. Otherwise, Lori would have gone to Pittsburgh.
 
Where are these hospitals in Arkansas that you wrote about in the post?
Have you lived in Arkansas all your life? Any tests that Lori will have done, no matter who orders them, will be done at Maggee.
 
Again, Brenda, no offense intended.
 
Hugs,
NAncy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 5:24pm
Hi Everyone,
i just found this news article that might be of interest. I am constantly looking for hope for Lori and all of you.
Nancy
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/83138.php - http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/83138.php


Posted By: PineHouse
Date Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 7:06pm
Hi Nancy and everyone,
 
In line with the content of that article, there's a trophoblast theory (cancer cells act like trophoblasts-they invade organs like embryonic cells  "invading" the uterus) that's been around a while.
 
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/cancer/beard.htm - http://www.alternative-doctor.com/cancer/beard.htm
 
Being the nerd I am, things like this (and your article that's more up to date science) are very interesting to me.  Thanks for posting it.


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Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Sep 25 2007 at 6:29am
Wink  Brenda,  from what I've read and heard,  you are very fortunate to have access to the cancer treatment facilities in Arkansas.  The University of Arkansas seems to be one of the most active in cancer research.  My cousin's husband had an extremely rare type of bone cancer and this was the best cancer center for treatment of that cancer. 
   The very best to you.
Jessie    


Posted By: English Jan
Date Posted: Sep 25 2007 at 10:52am
Hi Nancy and everyone,
 
Well just got back from Lab test. In 1 week my ANC's went from 12.7 to 0.4!!!
The low range is 1.4 ...
No signs of infection
My Onc, put me on Cipro1 tab Q12 hours, 1 week and repeat lab test in 2 days.
All prayers gladly accepted.
best to all
English Jan


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 25 2007 at 4:37pm
Hi English Jan and all,
 
Jan, when do you have your next chemo? Why did your ANC's go so low?
Are you on Neulasta?
 
Ronda, (on this site) has so many wonderful suggestions as to supplements you can take. These ladies are all so knowledgeable. Lori's counts were 2.7 this last time. I know you all have to worry about infection all the time. As if you don't have enough to think about.
 
I do hope that you hop on the computer at times to let us know how you are. Every day would be fine with meSmileI will tell Lori and the prayers will be on the way from her also.
 
When I told Lori that you had to pay up front for your chemo, she just couldn't believe it. I also told her about the tooth and the $800.00 fee, which you said was 50% off.
 
I went to visit Lori this morning and she was so depressed. She said she can hardly recall what took place these past 3 days. She had a terrible headache, said it was like a knife going through her right eye. She hadn't eaten breakfast when I got there and I offered to make it but she said she would. She made french toast, and ate it but really just was going throught the motions of putting it on the fork and placing it in her mouth. She said that there was no taste to anything. Since there is no taste, I would guess that the receptors in the brain are not relaying that she ate. She said that she just wants beef! Hasn't cared for beef for years.
 
After the first chemo, all she could taste was chemicals, due to the fact that she threw up for 3 days. Now there is no taste...nothing.
 
One other thing, Lori has discoloration from her ear lobes down the front of her neck, and the skin is very dry. She tried doing a facial mask and it is peeling some, so I guess this is just another side effect from the chemo? Anybody out there with anything like this? Yet she looked beautiful, even had eye make up on.
 
I am at a loss for words anymore. ( Trust me, if you knew me personally, you would say that is impossible) LOL When people ask me how Lori is doing, I tell them that if they don't have at least half an hour for me to tell them, I won't!!! What am I to say??? FINE?? FINE?? Well she is not FINE!!
Hasn't been fine for many months now! This has been the Summer from HELL!! And for all of you, what do you tell people? What CAN you tell them. I think that some ask just to be kind and I understand that, but I was taught that when you ask then you should take the time to listen. If it's just in passing, then call that person later and really listen. The words"How are you?" have no meaning anymore.
 
Wow! You can see that I am in rare form tonight!
 
She stated again today that she will never go through this chemo again. She said if it doesn't work this time why would it work if there is a recurrence? I just keep telling her that she will be well once again. I truly do believe that ladies! Truly! It's just so difficult even when it's your daughter, to make her believe that.
 
This is a journey that you all have to go alone. We, who love you can provide the support...be there when you need us...but it is YOU WHO HAVE TO ENDURE THE CHEMO...THE RADS...THE MASTECTOMIES..ON AND ON AND ON...YOU!! It does affect us emotionally and even physically at times,  but it is not our bodies which are enduring all this.
 
I keep reading that some of you ladies have been given Cisplatin or Carboplatin, (sp)?.  Do they know if it works better than the present regimen?
 
Yes, a t-shirt or better yet a huge banner with TNBC, the one bc they forgot!!!  
 
Well, this has been a day of just getting it off of my chest. My friend Kasey called, and I unloaded also. Bet she wishes she hadn'tLOL Nope! She always listens and is genuinely concerned about everyone all the time. A great  friend!
 
However, our grandson (one who had leukemia) had to go for a echo cardiogram today. Hershey had ordered it. Some of the children who received the same protocol as he, (16 years ago), are having heart problems. The results were fine!! As if these dear children didn't have to suffer enough, now due to the chemo, they will have other medical issues to deal with.
 
Guess it's time to get off the printing press...or is it my soap box?...so to speakBig%20smile
 
Many hugs to all of you and tell your family to hug you all extra tight tonight. I may seem melodramatic at times ladies.. but trust me..I mean every word I say to all of you.
 
Hugs,
Nancy
 


Posted By: English Jan
Date Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 4:39am
Morning Nancy et al,
 
How's Lori? How's Nancy?
 
The chemo nurse said the drugs become cumulative and side effects longer and stronger .. God forbid.
My cells down .. I guess the drugs hit me hard.
Also chemo night, flossing ..  one of my teeth/filling cracked off.
Had to go to dentist. So maybe who knows .. bugs in the air?
I had 4 shots of neupogen post chemo.
 
The neulasta costs so much ..but I will have to have it.
The Onc Doc, said let's see on Thursday ..perhaps another shot.
 
What can you do? I am supposed to be going to Uk for Christmas ... but it's at the end of my Chemo,if everything is cycling on time ...
 
My family are scared, because of the distance, bugs on planes, England in December etc. My mother already has mentioned to Jill, one of my sisters, that I may end up in the hospital in UK.
So I will end their fears and cancel my trip, until after radiation, so maybe sometime in the New Year... all depends I guess.
 
So today is just a "do nothing" day .. I sometimes get a few minutes in here and there.
 
English Jan
PS The RN said Breast Cancer is one of the only cancers where we actually "PUT ON WEIGHT".... What a pisser!!
 


Posted By: Brenda
Date Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 8:15am
Hi ya'll.

What to say to people that ask?  Good Question.  Now I say, I am getting better every day.  Before, while on Chemo and all treatments, I just said I am managing as well as I can.  Some good, some not so good days.  Perhaps that is the easiest way to address the generic inquiries. Save the more in depth responses for those that you feel most will 1. understand your distress, 2. have time and 3. are most in the position to offer you support and caring. 

I am 1.5 years out from DX.  And yes BC treatments do tend to cause weight gain.  20 lbs for me.  In the scheme of things that is a very small part of this whole episode.  But, to me it is huge.  Maybe it is just that focusing on the weight is a real tangible that I can work toward overcoming.  With no more treatments,  and only one more surgery--last one for reconstruction I need to feel that I am  continuing to fight the effects of the cancer.  I can not take meds or hormones, just like the rest of you because of the TN.  Focusing on the additional weight is also a way I can channel my anger at all of this.  Nobody: friends, doctors, or family understands my obsession  with this  part of the  side effects.  Maybe my anger is misplaced in this, but I cannot change my DX, my double mastectomies, my treatments, my lymphodema ( I cannot even wear my wedding ring right now) my fear of recurrence, my reconstruction and scars but I can be mad that I gained weight and have to deal with that on top of all the other sh*t.  Sorry.  Plus, it is not going to come off easily. 
PLUS, we all know that additional weight can be a bad thing for cancer occurrence or recurrence.  What a bad circle.

Maybe, I will get used to having curves.  I am just starting to exercise and hope that after a while that effort will take effect and the roles will tighten, the pounds will be lost and I will start to feel more like a person than a patient again.  There is no NORMAL after this.  But maybe there will be some acceptance.

For those of you going through treatments, my heart goes out to you.  But, you can do this.  YOU CAN DO THIS!  There is an army of us out here rooting you on. 

all the best,
Brenda


Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 9:29am
Brenda, you must have been DXed about the same time I was.  I have to be very grateful that I've been NED since (scheduled for CT and bone scans next week, so my fingers are crossed) --- but the weight gain is MADDENING !!   And I didn't even have the chemo - due to a heart issue.  Maybe there's something about the mastectomy surgery and recovery that adds the weight - 20 lbs here too. 
 
And I had heart surgery 6 months after the mastectomies, followed by the cardiac rehab - lots of exercise --- and concentrating on the good diet --- IT'S JUST NOT FAIR !!!!!
 
Two years ago I was petite and slim and figured I'd live forever.  Now I'm  short and fat and might not make forever........  Ermm   I'm still scratching my head.  Sometimes I have to have a chocolate shake just to get even !  LOL
 
Hugs, Jessie 
 
 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 10:41am
Hi Brenda and Jessie,
 
Brenda, you said it better than I could! Jessie, Brenda, I know that Lori can empathize with your feelings, with one exception...the weight gain. She has to eat continually or she loses weight. I repeat previous posts here... but before dx, she could not lose weight.
 
I know that Lori cannot deal with her emotions at this time, or she would be on here replying to your posts.
 
Have there been any suggestions from dr's as to why you can't lose weight? Is it residual from surgeries? Just another "thing" to deal with at this time? Add all these "things" up, and no wonder there is depression/anger...a wide range of emotions. And of course...life around you goes on!
 
I probably shouldn't get so upset as to peoples questions/statements, but we went through this with our grandson. I still remember some and I just couldn't fathom how anybody with half a brain could say the things they saidConfused Of course, they are not in our life anymore!
 
You know Jessie, I read on one of the posts here (I believe) that chemo improves your chances only by 3%. Another one said 7%. I remember Lori telling me of the small percentage, and that is why she was not going to go through chemo. She is not doing this for herself, but for all of us, and grandchildren that she may have.
 
I know what chemo did to our grandson. He was so sick, ended up in the hospital, didn't lead a "normal child's life", for 3 years. I know that he is doing well now, but leukemia and chemo did have a huge effect on his life, my daughter's and her husband. If anyone in the family was ill, he couldn't be around us. But, there was no other alternative.
 
Jessie, we will all be thinking of you next week. I'll do more than cross my fingers for you. Apparently you must have done well through, and after heart surgery? Chocolate is a comfort food and it makes you feel so good.
 
Brenda, thank you for replying to my questions. All you ladies tell me is taken to heart, believe me.
 
Hugs,
Nancy 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 4:35pm

Evening everyone,

Found this on FORCE, posted by "Soccermom".
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_he_me/personalized_cancer_treatment - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_he_me/personalized_cancer_treatment
 
Nancy


Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Sep 27 2007 at 7:44am
Yep, I think my chance of reccurance would have been lessened by only 5% by taking the chemo. 
 
My husband and I went twice for what was supposed to be my first chemo treatment -- going for that 5% -- the first try, I had a fever and chest pains and landed in the hospital with systemic MRSA.  The second try, the onc decided to do one more ultrasound "to be safe" and discovered my heart was at 40% effectiveness (must be 55% for chemo).  At that point she said, "God just doesn't want me to give you chemo." 
 
Actually, in an odd way, the BC and MRSA brought to light a heart issue, according to the cardiologist, "more critical than the cancer" -- and probably saved my life.  My mind couldn't even try to make sense of that statement -- how could it be more critical than cancer?  I gave up and just did what the drs said was necessary.
 
I'm feeling great now, all healed from the cancer and heart surgeries, working 32 hrs a week, going to all my drs, taking all my tests, NED and holding, taking all my meds and doing my cardiac rehab --- and GETTIN' FAT !
 
Three of the meds I'm taking list "Weight Gain" as a side effect.  Life just gets better and better, doesn't it ?!?  Wacko 
 
Hugs,
Jessie 


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 27 2007 at 4:06pm
Evening Ladies,
 
Well, lost my postAngry
 
Jessie, they shouldn't be permitted to make meds that add poundsLOL
You should be able to send them the receipts for new clothes and all the chocolate shakes your body cravesWink Hey! People sue for less than that...right???
 
Let's face it Jessie...without your heart...you would not be here!!
 
I was on the bc.org site a while ago and there was a post by Sadie-Rose. She was dx TNBC, stage11b, grade 3, 1 node involvement. (2002) She had AC, and it didn't work. Then her onc(female) gave her TX and Carboplatin. It shrunk the tumor. She had surgery to remove the tumor and rads. She is 3 years out and feeling well. Her onc said they were way ahead with their choice of using Carboplatin. She stated that at the last 2 breast cancer conferences in San Antonio, the presenters discussed Carboplatin as now becoming part of standard treatment for triple negative tumors.
 
Along those lines I Googled Carboplatin.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carboplatin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carboplatin
 
At the end of the article at "current events" click on references  (timesonline), a study that was beginning May, 2006.
 
Hey! I don't have anything else to do and if this works for TNBC, then why is it not standard chemo??? I would love to go with Lori to talk to her onc. He'd probably "fire her" just for bringing meLOL
 
Hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: CarynRose
Date Posted: Sep 28 2007 at 4:37am
Nancy,
 
I'm being treated for BC recurrence, with mets to my lymph nodes and lungs (Ha!  nothing in breasts) -- We are going full force to eradicate the cancer in my body now so that science can catch up with long term treatment for triple negative (and BRCA+).  We are using taxol, avastin, carboplatin and erbitux.  I just had my first treatmet of the 4 drugs all together yesterday.  It is being infused in a fractionated manner -- smaller doses once a week for 3 weeks and then off the 4th week.
 
About going with your daughter, any doctor who would 'fire' a patient for bring inquisitive family/friends should be fired him/herself.  My first bout with bc, I brought my parents, my husband, a note pad and a tape recorder.  My recurrence, I brought my in-laws, my cousin, and a friend.  The oncologist welcomed them because he believes in the power of the support system.


Posted By: Jessie
Date Posted: Sep 28 2007 at 5:15am
Nancy, I LOVE your idea of outlawing meds that add pounds --- let's get Congress to get behind that !! LOL
 
And on your going with Lori to the onc --- I'd love to take you with me on my visits, you would be an excellent scribe !  My onc and surgeon seem to appreciate my having someone with me when information is being given.  I need my husband when something scary is being done, but for discussion with the dr, I want someone who takes good notes !
 
I hope the weather is good for you guys this weekend, Lori feels good, and you all get a break from the stress for awhile.  I'm determined to put next weeks scans out of my mind, sleep late, and maybe get my embroidery machine smokin' again ! Approve  
 
Hugs,
Jessie 


Posted By: English Jan
Date Posted: Sep 28 2007 at 6:00am
Morning Ladies,
 
English Jan here in Florida
 
... the weather is lovely (crazy I know.. but I've lived here a long time and there are subtle changes) ..
 
Hi to you all, well my ANC crept upto 0.6!! (Better than 0.4), no signs of infection and no shots, continue with the antibiotics.
 
Just stopped writing, as my phone rang .. it was from my mum in England .. 2 of my cousins developed breast cancer 2 years ago, within 1 week of each other. Hazel has just gone into the hospital ... a few weeks ago the docs gave her a few months, (Had mets) ..today they thought she had a stroke, but it turns out to be mets in her brain.
 
This just stopped me in my tracks .... I was going to write to both of them anyway and find out what exactly they had ..so I could put together some kind of family cance rhistory for my sisters, neices, cusins, grand neices and all of us who come after this .. they will be especially "prone" to it.
 
Don't know what to think ... I'm glad you are all there in the ether ..lovingly typing ...
I'll write more later!
 
English Jan
PS nancy, I am 53 years old ..


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 28 2007 at 9:51am
Hi CarynRose,
 
I cannot even begin to imagine what your dear body has had to endure. You ladies amaze me beyond wordsClap
 
This cancer sneaks in to all parts of the body and then you have to go after it again! These smaller doses... are they easier on your body than the 1x every 3 weeks? (as if any of these chemicals are kind to your body)
 
Lori was saying the other night that perhaps she shouldn't be teaching. She sometimes feel as though she is not giving 100% to the children, particularly the week after chemo. She is a "walk around the room constantly teacher". She has had to sit the majority of this week. This is in part due to feeling weak, and also to the joint pain, which catches her off guard at times.
 
I will look up erbitux later. So you are getting Carboplatin? Did you have that before? Are you going to the Cancer Centers of America? I think you said that you were from around Phily?
 
Lori's hubby goes with her to all of her appts. However, I am becoming concerned that she has not really "talked" with her onc since before 1st chemo. She did tell him about running,etc. She said that he was still there last Friday night after her chemo, (7:30), but that he was seeing a patient.
 
When I was on the phone with her the other night, I could hear her breathing very hard. She was walking up the stairs, and she said that her heart was pounding! She can actually see it pounding if she looks in the mirror. She said that goes away after about a week. I feel that these are the symptoms that she should be discussing with the onc.
 
She has always been proactive with her families health, and has always questioned everything the dr's have said. However, when she went for chemo last week, she was there before 1pm, and her chemo didn't start until 3:30. Thusly, she didn't get to leave until 7:30. She was tired and just wanted to go home. Sometimes if a regular appt. with the onc. is at 3pm, you can wait until 7pm to see him. That happened with her.
 
Caryn, thank you again for replying. With all you are going through, I can't even imagine having the energy to do ordinary things.
 
Hugs,
Nancy


Posted By: Nancy
Date Posted: Sep 28 2007 at 10:17am
Afternoon English Jan,
 
Your post stopped me in my tracksCryBroken%20Heart
 
I am at a loss for words! Can't imagine what you are experiencing!
 
I do hope that your ANC keeps going up.
 
Just rest Jan, so that you can continue with your treatments. I will be thinking of you.
 
Many...Many Hugs,
Nancy



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