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Topic: My mother New DX 09/14 lots of questions Posted: Nov 25 2014 at 1:19pm |
My mother was recently dx in Sept with TNBC 3 tumors largest was 4mm all very small stage 1 no lymph node involvement, grade 2. She got a Lumpectomy 10/17 with clear margins, took 3 lymph nodes all negative. She started Radiation yesterday and will do that for 7wks (5day/wk) There seems to be some controversy on whether she should have chemo after radiation. All along so far, they have said Surgery, Radiation, and then Chemo. Now her oncologist said that there isn't much benefit to do chemo since her tumor was smaller than expected (they originally said it was 5cm, big difference). If my mother can be spared from having to go thru chemo...that's great and such a huge blessing, but my concern is that the pathology report said the growth rate is 90% and basically we have been told that if she would have gotten her mammogram 2 mths earlier we wouldn't have seen the cancer and if she would have done it 2 mths later she might not been able to do a lumpectomy. They said it was very aggressive and fast growing and that it was in a vascular area of her breast. So if any of the cancer escaped into the blood stream and they weren't able to see it on the PET scan 2 mths ago... I'm just in need of some advice to pass onto her, she is very torn on what to do, the oncologist said either way. We don't want her to have mets in the following years... we know chemo isn't a cure but we just want to do what's best. Thanks for the advice!
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Posted: Nov 25 2014 at 7:22pm |
Hello! You are asking some very intelligent questions. Can you get a second opinion from an NCCN facility? There is a grey area regarding chemo for small tumors. I believe anything larger than 5 mm, chemo is recommended. TNBC is more likely to spread through the blood stream so being in the vascular area might be a concern. How would your mother feel if she didn't do chemo and found out it had spread? Would she regret having chemo? Even if we receive chemo, there are no guarantees that it got it all or that there are some microscopic cells remaining. It's such a tough call. In my opinion, TNBC is aggressive and doesn't play by the rules.
Donna
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
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Posted: Nov 25 2014 at 9:52pm |
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Dear a1hamilton, Tell your mother to think about this. Triple Negative cancer is nothing to mess around with. If a cell or two escaped into the vascular system, radiation will not touch those cells. They will, in all likelihood, set up residence in another part of the body and come back to haunt your mother. Chemo is the only thing that has a chance to kill those escaped cells. I cannot tell your mother what to do, but if it were me; I'd do the chemo. Too many doctors treat triple negative as though it were ER or PR+. Honestly, chemo is no 'walk in the park', but it is doeable and worth the effort; physically and mentally. I'm praying that the correct decision is made for your mother.
God Bless, Lillie
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Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA- 6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+ 6/06 Axl. 9 nodes- 8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4 No Rads. No RECON - 11/2018-12 yrs NED
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Posted: Nov 25 2014 at 10:02pm |
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Thank you so much for both of your opinions... Thankfully we have 7 wks to decide for sure what we should do, we did get a second opinion they one said it might be beneficial due to the growth rate and the cancer found in vascular area the other one said that the benefits might not outweigh the effects of the cancer. That's what makes it more confusing!! My mother was at first thankful that she wouldn't have to go thru chemo but now having second thoughts. I think she is willing to do whatever she needs to do. The chance of it coming back in lungs, liver , or brain is a very compelling argument to do chemo... I know it's not a guarantee of not getting a reoccurance but if it decreases the chances it may be worth it.
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Sharon E
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Posted: Nov 26 2014 at 7:42am |
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When I was first diagnosed, I did chemo and then surgery. The chemo was required because of my lymph node involvement. They could not decide if I needed radiation or not, so I chose not to do that. The side effects of lymphedema and impact on my reconstruction were my deciding factors. Well, two years later, it came back so now I have to do chemo and radiation. They also have a new study out that shows a benefit to radiation for TNBC patients who did chemo and then double mastectomy even if they have a pathologic complete response...which I did. I am now wishing I would have done the radiation at the time. This is a tough decision, but I would strongly consider the chemo. I did great through the chemo, but it depends on your mother's overall health besides the cancer.
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Posted: Nov 26 2014 at 7:58am |
Here is a link to all the NCCN Facilities in the US if you would like to get a second opinion for your mother.
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
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Posted: Nov 26 2014 at 12:46pm |
I'm not a doctor, so I know nothing, of course. I'm currently in chemo. Triple negative breast cancer is aggressive and has a pretty high recurrence rate. Chemo will reduce the risk of recurrence. I will always err on the side of doing more. At least if I do get a recurrence, I know that I did everything possible to reduce my risk.
Chemo is not fun, but it's doable for the average person.
Best of luck to your mom and your family. Sending hugs. :)
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Dx 09/14 Stage 2 TNBC, Grade 3, 3cm, no nodes. BRCA1+ Neoadjuvant treatment: 4 AC/T, 12 Taxol, 4 Carboplatin. BMX Diep Flap Hyster 3/5/15. Path report PCR, no radiation advised.
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Posted: Nov 26 2014 at 3:49pm |
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Hello, I'm new to this site. I was diagnosed in January of 2012 with TNBC. I had 8 rounds of chemo first, a double mastectomy, followed by 32 rounds of radiation. The cancer was in my right breast. After surgery they told me the margins were good. But 1 month ago after going in for my routine CT scan they found a lymph node at the bottom of my neck that was enlarged. My doctor said he wasn't worried but wanted to be safe and ordered a PT scan. That came up showing it had went to other lymph nodes and also a spot on my spine. I had a biopsy done and it was confirmed that the TNBC had returned. I'm now waiting as they sent the cells from the biopsy off to a laboratory in Massachusetts which tests the cells to see which chemo drug will work the best the second time. I tried to do everything possible to make sure it didn't come back. But it did. I'm also going to see if there are any trials I might qualify for. I haven't started chemo yet but I'm sure It will start in early December. For my sisters that has had reoccurrences can you tell me how the chemo was for you the second time? Were you as sick as the first time or was it easier? I pray they find a cure for this ugly disease soon.
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Posted: Nov 26 2014 at 5:27pm |
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Jolene, this disease is a bugger, isn't it? I pray they find the right treatment plan for you so the cancer goes away. I was not aware they could send a biopsy sample in and figure out which chemo drug would work best. That is great! I will have to ask my doctor about that. My TNBC came back a month ago as well after AC/T Chemo and a double mastectomy two years ago. I am now getting Gemzar/Carbo in combination with Day 1 and 8 chemo and then one week off. I am feeling great! I did take the first set of chemos originally quite well with just some heartburn. I eat a lot of whey protein and make sure I exercise...typically walking. I use protein shakes with Flax and Chia seeds ground up once a day. I am not sure if that helps but I keep doing it because I tolerate chemo well.
Edited by Sharon E - Nov 26 2014 at 5:29pm
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Posted: Dec 01 2014 at 8:33am |
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Hi Sharon, I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. Thank you for sharing what works for you with the flax and chia seeds and also about the exercise. With your reoccurrence where did it come back? Were there any trails that you could have taken? How many rounds of chemo will you have? With reoccurring cancer do they say how long they it will be in remission? I'm glad to hear you are doing great! It's always encouraging hearing good news!
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Posted: Dec 01 2014 at 5:35pm |
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I had three very highly regarded Doctors tell me to do the chemo even though I was Stage One, clean margins and clean lymph nodes. It is the best treatment option. It is not fun but no where near as bad as I had imagined. I am very thankful that I did it. I wanted every tool possible to fight.
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 7:20am |
Hello, Jolene. My reoccurrence is between my breast area and my collarbone on the same side as my original cancer. There is also a small spot on my sternum bone right in the middle below my neck. There was one trial that they thought I could do but I was disqualified because I didn't "have enough cancer". I was OK with that reason:)
I will have 4-6 cycles of Gemzar/Carbo. After 4, they will check to see if it is all gone. If so, then I move on to radiation. If not, then I would have two more cycles of chemo. The doctor said it is hard to give a timeline for remission. If I understood him correctly, it could be a couple years, 5 years or 10 years. That is as far out as he would go. He says there are too many other things that impact it e.g. diet, exercise, overall health, etc. I am really praying hard, along with many others, that this cancer goes into remission for a long time!
If anyone thinks my doctor is missing something or if that copper depletion Phase III trial opens up, please let me know.
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3/12 Stg2b TNBC, IDC, Grade 3, age 49, 3 nodes, BRCA-,4/12-8/12 AC/T, 9/12 MBX no rads 10/14 Recur chest, BM, biopsy removed tumors, Gem/Carb 4,1/15, NED 1/15, Rads, 7/15 BM, Gem/Carb 4
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 9:46am |
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Hi Sharon, Yes that is a good thing not having enough cancer to be disqualified for the trail! I too am praying for remission for all of us that are battling this monster! Prayer can move mountains! I live in Indiana and I'm going tomorrow to IU Simon Cancer Center tomorrow to get a second opinion and also to see if there are any trails I may qualify for. I pray for good news!
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 12:37pm |
Sharon, When your tumor load is small and if you do not want to wait for copper depletion phase III trial to open, you could use some private doctors who prescribe the medication for copper depletion. Joanie posted a wonderful doctor who does that. Scroll down this page to find her posting: http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/copper-deletion_topic12078.html?KW=copper+depletionRebecca
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DX IDC TNBC May, 2014, 4.7cm, 5.8cm on Taxol. Taxol 4 weeks, AC 6. double mastectomy OCT 2014. 1.8cm residual in breast and 3mm a lymph node. BRCA-. 11/17 Abraxane,5FU.11/20, rads, 1/19 FUMEPx2
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 6:28pm |
Hi Sharon,
I am so sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I know what a stressful time this must be for you and your family. My story is not dissimilar to many of the other woman on this forum: initial diagnosis, double mastectomy, dose dense ACT, recurrence, more surgery, radiation, six cycles of Cisplatin, and I am now grateful to be a part of Dr. V's copper depletion trial and follow a customized protocol developed for me by a ND Oncologist Dr. Mark Bricca. I began working with Dr. Bricca following my recurrence, which was a short seven months after my dose dense ACT and double mastectomy. I have been NED now for almost two years, following my stage 4 diagnosis in early 2013.
If you are interested in copper depletion, or a comprehensive approach to treatment, I can't recommend Dr. Bricca highly enough. He has been working with copper depletion since the beginning, and he's made many suggestions to my Oncologists at Sloan Kettering and Cornell, and I've actually heard them say, "That's a great suggestion, why didn't I think of that." He is compassionate, thorough, and very detailed. He develops copper depletion protocols for his patients, along with many other customized suggestions. He doesn't gouge on price, and takes as much time as you need. Oh, and you obviously don't need to be local, SKYPE or phone is fine as long as your records are complete.
I'd be happy to speak with you offline about my experience with Dr. Bricca or Dr. Vahdat. They are both wonderful. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Here is Dr. Bricca's website, phone number, and email.
http://bodhicittahealingarts.com/
drbricca@bodhicittahealingarts.com
(541) 201-2461
Stay strong. I'll hold you in my thoughts. Warm regards, Rachael
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 6:50pm |
Rachael, thank you for the contact information. I will check it out to get more info. I am thrilled to hear you are NED for almost two years now! Yeah! I pray it continues.
Sharon
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Posted: Dec 02 2014 at 8:19pm |
Sharon -
Thank you for the kind well wishes. I know all people are different, so absolutely no pressure either way. I know we all need to find the option that feels best for us. I'm sending you positive thoughts and prayers for a great outcome.
If I can help at all, please let me know. My best, Rachael
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Ok ladies ...I'm in need of advice again!! When last time I posted the, my mom was starting Radiation and the doctors basicly told us her case is "up in the air" meaning we could do chemo if we wanted to but may not be necessary due to her tumor size. We thought, researched and got lots of advice and prayed about it and decided to go ahead with the Chemo after radiation complete. Finished Radiation last Thursday!! YAY!! 7wks of 5 days a week. So we went to our follow up with the oncologist yesterday. We told our oncologist this and he said its too late to give the chemo now?!?!?! We were very clear when we saw him 1 wk post op that we were going to decide what to do after radiation and he said that was fine and that way it would give us time to think about it. He said he wouldn't have recommended chemo this far after surgery. My mom even called early in December and told his Nurse that she was deciding to go ahead with chemo and at that time his nurse said that was fine just to call the office 1 week before completing radiation to set up an appointment. I know that Chemo decreases chances of reoccurrence. No one wants to go thru Chemo but I think because of it being TNBC we want the best chances we can get. We are so upset and frustrated right now. Me and my sister always go with my mother to her appts and so it makes us so mad that he basically is saying we all are lying that he said that! UGGG!! We are going to go to a second opinion but her insurance only allows her to see certain doctors and the 2nd opinion happens to be in network and in his same building down the hall...so not sure how good that's going to do since most time co-workers may not want to step on the others toes. Any advice would be appreciated... moms path report states the tumor has 90% growth rate, grade 2, and present vascular/lymphatic invasion.
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Posted: Jan 23 2015 at 2:23pm |
I think there is an optimal time for chemotherapy after surgery. There was a study that said 30 days was optimal. I'll post the link. I'm sorry the onc is now telling you a different story.
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The Dr. I had for my initial diagnosis (not the wacky one I'm seeing now for trials) let me do my adj chemo after radiation, said the choice was up to me nothing to sway one way or the other. Had neoadj chemo before surgery, surgery in Apr, Rads May-June, & 3 last rounds of chemo July-beg of Sept. I stayed NED for 1 year, mets diagnosed in Nov. With the info Donna provided above, really wish I would have done the chemo before radiation but did not have this info at that time. Just goes to show what a great site this is with so much wonderful information.
Good luck, hope the Dr will go back to the original plan discussed!
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