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marathonmom
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Posted: Oct 30 2007 at 2:57pm |
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Thanks Ronda,
Amazing that this approach was sponsored by the Canadian Cancer Society (I am Canadian) and yet here in Montreal, oncologists never talk about naturopathy in combination with chemo. I worked recently with a naturopath that was recommended by my GP but am currently looking for someone that has worked with cancer patients.
Hugs, and take care of those new boobs,
Oana
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dx 3/6, stage2, grade3, triple neg, 6FEC, lumpectomy, 0 nodes, 4 Taxotere, rads
Oct 2007 mets to lungs and brain
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paula
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Posted: Oct 30 2007 at 6:46pm |
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Hi Ronda
I'm taking a multi-vitamin, about 800 Vitamin D, Calcium along with Chromium and CO enzyme Q10. They have checked my B12 and it is normal, so that rules that out.
I already take 3 different antidepressents. Two to help me sleep (I have some kind of sleeping disorder) and one for severe depression and anxiety. The 3rd one they put me on 6 months ago, it was supposed to increase my energy level and make me happy. NOT.
The doc just put me on some anti-inflamatory pain killer for my back, hip and my shoulders, but I find it does squat, plus its hard on the stomach. Something I don't need with the inflamation in my stomach lining.
I just find I have never recovered from the 2 cycles of chemo (CEF) that I received. The backpain started the 2nd week of the 1st cycle, they couldn't find out what was causing it then or now, that's why their sending me to a neurosurgeon, maybe he can figure out.
I am still severely fatigued all the time and they can't figure out why. My blood work has come back normal for everything. I get up in the morning and usually have to take a 2 to 4 hour nap in the afternoon. By evening I'm exhausted again. This is what scares me the most. It's been 3 years since I finished radiation, you would think my body would be back to normal by now. They keep telling me that it will take time to recover from everything I went through during treatment.
I am just tired of feeling this way. I think my onc thinks I'm nuts, but she has been great in sending me for tests to rule out cancer in my bones, abdomen/pelvis and breasts. Somhow I feel deep down in my gut that they are still missing something. That something is there but it just doesn't show up. Maybe I'm being perinoid.
I just want to feel GOOD AGAIN. I guess no one would understand that better than another cancer paitent/survivor.
Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. You explain how you feel to these doctors and they think its all in your mind, or your depressed, or insecure. My male oncologist told me I was fine that I should go out, have fun and live my life. That's before he transferred my file to his female consulting doctor that works with him. You know he only checked my breasts once or twice in the whole 2 years that I saw him. I guess he can't be too bad though he was the one to approve all my tests.
I'm just very frustrated and all I want is to feel better. Is that too much to ask.
I hope you are feeling better and I pray that you have a speedy recovery. I'm having a bi-lat with recon in the near future. Is it quite painful?? I really don't know what to expect.
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kirby
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Posted: Oct 30 2007 at 7:35pm |
Paula,
I know it can be so hard. My radiologist had told me I was "too sensitive". I don't know any one in my entire life to describe me that way !. I always knew he was a jerk but his early hours worked with mine at that time.
It was extremely hard to adjust to the term "new normal" but that is exactly what it is. I wanted things to be the way they were prior to cancer. It was hard to accept that this is me cancer treatment and all along with just plain aging. It just seemed to collide all at once. Time does help.
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shellieh51
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Posted: Oct 31 2007 at 2:02am |
Ladies,
Wish me luck as hubby and I depart to NYC today. I hope that the walking is minimal - I was pretty wobbly yesterday and in great deal of pain but think it is the barometric pressure and the changin weather here in CO. This is an important trip to me - Saturday will be the 1 year OMG anniversary and I want so much to be the way I used to be.
I started tearing in a staff meeting yesterday as accolades were being extolled for progress during the last year in my department . I think it hit me for two reasons - #1 yes kudos to me! I've been through hell and back during the past year and #2, it made me realize how much I missed.
Since I'll be on business, no personal email/web sites on company equipment so I'll try to catch up on Sunday.
Take care. You are a great group of ladies.
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dx 11/6/2006 1.5cm IDC, Gr3, TN, BRCA-, lump, partial breast rads 1/2007, 4 AC, 12 wkly Taxol. Completed tx 8/2/2007. NED 12/2007. Malignant parotid tumor 4/2008. Clear head 4/09 & bones 11/08 -
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Karen
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Posted: Oct 31 2007 at 5:27am |
I had chemo every 14 days. I had to take the week of from work after my treatment. I have a 3 yr old and 15 yr old and a supportive husband and sisters who took my 3yr old the weekend after my treatment. It was by the grace of God that I got thru the summer. Now I have 8 tx of rad left and it is going straight thru the nipple. can't wait to be done.  and if one more person says "you have to have a positive attitude" I am going to scream.....
I am 44 and feel like 104, with all the joint and muscle pain.....not getting better. maybe when I am done with radiation?
Edited by Karen - Oct 31 2007 at 5:28am
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Diag 4/07 2.8cm, invasive DCIS, gradeIII,-LN
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trip2
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Posted: Oct 31 2007 at 6:24am |
Very well said Ronda
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shellieh51
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Posted: Nov 01 2007 at 3:53pm |
Don't forget the natural vitamin D - 15 minutes 2x per week outside WITHOUT sunscreen. Of course you need to live in a sunny climate but nothing beats it. I asked the integrative people if the dermatologists knew they were touting no sunscreen. I don't recall a response
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dx 11/6/2006 1.5cm IDC, Gr3, TN, BRCA-, lump, partial breast rads 1/2007, 4 AC, 12 wkly Taxol. Completed tx 8/2/2007. NED 12/2007. Malignant parotid tumor 4/2008. Clear head 4/09 & bones 11/08 -
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elsa34
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Posted: Nov 02 2007 at 3:40pm |
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Hi everyone. I was just looking through this to see what experiences everyone has had w/ all your different treatments. I was diagnosed in March of this year (@ 33 years old, grade 3, 1cm, trip neg) and just finished my rads a month ago. It's freaking me out that I only got 4 cycles of TC and all of you appear to have had atleast 6 cycles of something.
I'm having the exact same pains in my joints for over a month now(some in my bones of my legs and arms) and also have had a low-grade fever for weeks- ugh.
I'm convinced it was the taxotere and now I'm scared the pains won't ever go away. My Drs. think I'm nuts- one of the oncologists said it may be the flu- ha!- not for this long! I still don't take any pain meds other than Advil- don't like meds. But I'm exercising every other day- it hasn't helped though.
My love to you all.....
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Posted: Nov 03 2007 at 6:55am |
Hi Elsa and a warm welcome to you.
I'm so sorry to see you've been diagnosed but that's good news the treatments are finished. Try not to freak out over the differences between
treatments because they are different for everyone.
That's horrible you are in so much pain. I just got off Taxotere about 6 weeks ago and I too have pain and weakness in my legs. My Onc had said it could take months for it to settle down.
We are all individuals and when given chemo will react differently even afterwards. The low grade fever concerns me, maybe you should get an opinion from another Onc or your Primary?
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woolie
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Posted: Nov 03 2007 at 8:31am |
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DEAR ELSA : CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING FINISHED , I JUST FINISHED CHEMO AND START RADS AFTER THANKSGIVING. PAM IS RIGHT EVERYONES TREATMENT IS DIFFERENT BUT I WOULD KEEP AN EYE ON THAT LOW GRADE TEMP.THE APINS REALLY SUCK BUT GO AND ENJOY EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE . WOOLIE
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EWKSeattle
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Posted: Nov 03 2007 at 9:02am |
Hi Elsa,
I didn't do Taxotere, but I did do Abraxane, which is also a taxane, and I had bad bone and joint pain that started late in that course of treatment and then lasted several months afterward. I think it's pretty common with the taxanes generally. I also wondered if it would ever get better, but it did eventually go away.
One other possible cause of the fever and aches is low blood counts. If your counts are low, your bone marrow may be in overdrive, which could explain the pain and fever. I had this problem for a while as well.
I hope you get some relief soon!
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Dx 05/06 Stage IIIC
Local Recurrence 01/07
Mets in opposite side axilla nodes 12/07
Mets to mediastinal nodes confirmed 11/08
NED March 2009-March 2010
Brain met March 2010.
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shellieh51
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Posted: Nov 03 2007 at 4:16pm |
Welcome Elsa!
As the others have said, don't get hung up on how the tx for others compare to yours - as my onc says, everyone is different and everyone reacts differently. I have been very fortunate with very few side effects except for the crankiness and bone & joint pain. A friend that was on TAC said her legs felt like they were in cement - good analogy.
I still haven't spoken to my onc about triple neg and I can't tell by my path report if my cells are 'Basal Like'. I may speak to the nurse to see what she has to say. I am now on 3 month maintenance and am crossing my fingers that I make it to three months (January) without having to go in.
The business trip to NYC went well but was glad I had my husband as a safety net. I took my cane but didn't need to use it and was walking at a faster clip than I have since Taxol's cumulative effect hit in June. I am tired today but also worked for 9 hours at my 'fun' job - retail, on my feet all day in a quilt store. I am still contemplating disability from my 'real' job - cognitive functioning is not improving as rapidly as I would like. I am still awaiting an appointment with National Jewish for some testing in this area - and I thought they were just for lung ailments.
My thoughts and prayers are with you - take care.
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Posted: Nov 03 2007 at 8:30pm |
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Elsa, I freaked a bit too, when I found this sight. Everyone has had almost double the chemo I did. I was dx at age 45 with a 2cm. tumor no node involvement and did lumpectomy, 4 rnds of AC and rad. The good news..that was 7 years ago. Once I got over the shock, worry of the differences, it was easier to go back to the mode of thinking about enjoying life and worrying when I know I have something to worry about.
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Posted: Nov 04 2007 at 3:12am |
I went to see a orthopedic surgeon last Thursday. Fortunately, he said from what he could tell after examining me and also after X-rays that my knees don't appear to require replacement. I was very glad to hear that. He said there is fluid on one of my knees and I am going to have to go for an MRI. Also I may get some shots to help relieve the pain. He and my onc are friends so he already knew about me having radiation and chemo; he said he doesn't think either has caused this problem. It's funny that it all started right after I started treatment, but he's the expert, not me. I just wanted to let you all know because of so many people having pain with treatment. I wish I had something more solid to tell you, but I don't.
Love and hugs,
Lisa B.
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lisab
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Posted: Nov 04 2007 at 3:14am |
Dear Shellie, thinking of you today, hope your business trip wasn't too hard on you.
Love and hugs,
Lisa B.
After I wrote this I saw you had already posted - it sounds like your trip was good - I am so glad to hear that.
Edited by lisab - Nov 04 2007 at 3:16am
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Posted: Nov 04 2007 at 1:44pm |
I have 7 more tx of radiation and have had increasing bone and joint pain. The radiologist said that she is seeing more of this with radiation and said it is a form of arthritis. My fingers and limbs are so stiff if I am still for a long period of time - worse in the morning. She said it should go away. Advil has been helping a little.
I get nervous because a friend I made at chemo was on her 2nd occurance (younger than me in her 30's) and the cancer put holes in her shin bone and the bone in her arm. She thought it was a pulled muscle. Her leg and arm felt very weak.
WE have to be our own advocates and keep pushing the Doctor if the pain is not getting better.
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Posted: Nov 05 2007 at 3:46am |
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Wow! I can't thank all of you enough for your insight. As strange as it seems, it's kinda comforting to know that other people are having the same types of side effects that I'm having.
Oh, for Karen, that was the original comment from my onc when my bone/joint pain started- they said it was arthritis unrelated to the chemo (at 34 years old! I dont think so all of a sudden)- that's when I went back and they said its the flu. I'm thinking of trying another onc- I go to Mayo clinic and the two oncs- including Perez- was not not concerned with my pain.
I hope it goes away as some of you have said. It's a little tough though trying to maintain a full-time sales job and dealing w/ this. Has anyone read about utilizing aspirin in triple negs (I'm wondering since I take so much Advil for pain and I've heard a few things out there that It may help lower recurrence- European data of course).
My love to you all....
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Posted: Nov 05 2007 at 12:33pm |
Hi Elsa, There is data on anti-inflammatories reducing breast cancer. Asprin is aborbed in the gut, ibuprogphen through the kidneys, acetaminophen through the liver, you can rotate them around so you're not too hard on any one organ. I've just added baby asprin to my daily supplements.
Ronda
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Hi everyone,
I haven't read every post on this thread so forgive me if I repeat something. I was doing well for a while on the Taxol - probably because I'm doing 12 weekly rounds but after about the 6th week things started to change. I have two more left and the bone and muscle pain is really bad. My hands and feet are pretty well numb - except for the nail area of my two big toes which really hurt. Basically, what isn't numb, hurts.
I cannot take aspirin or ibuprofen because I'm on Coumadin. Supposedly, Tylenol is ok but I took it just a few times last week - nothing close to what I could have taken and my INR shot up to 4.6 - WAY too thin. The anti-coagulation nurse told me Tylenol can interact with Coumadin too. Any suggestions.
Thanks Darla
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DEAR DARLA : TALK TO YOUR ANTICOAGULANT NURSE ABOUT WHAT FOODS CCAN ALTER YOUR INR ALSO JUST IN CASE THEY DID NOT GIVE YOU A LIST. PLUS TRY HEATING PADS OR ICE PAKS WHATEVER GIVES YOU RELIEF .JULES
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