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Brenda
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Posted: Sep 20 2007 at 5:21pm |
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I just happened across this forum. I have been hoping for a place that fits me and my cancer better. This seems to. I am 3-. Diagnosed May 06. Stage III, 2 positive nodes. I was 46. I am a white upper middle class married mother of two daughters. Somehow that seems pertinent when talking about triple neg cancer. I had the works. Mastectomy, Dose Dense Chemo--thats every two weeks for eight treatments and 30 radiation burns. Then in Dec. I had my right breast removed because of signs that were close to those I had in the left. No cancer there--Thank God. I also just had double reconstruction in June 2007. It hurt so bad. Only one more surgery to go for that.
I too am having pain in my joints. Mostly my hands, feet and knees. It is worse now than when i was on Chemo. Adriamyacyn, Cytoxan and Taxotere. I do not hurt in my feet when I am walking that is why it is so strange. But when I first get up from bed or sitting, I stumble. And stairs kill my knees. My hands just ache.
I have been really positive until lately about all of this. Reading more about triple neg cancer is scary. My sister had the same when she was 32. She is an 11 year survivor.
I do not have any suggestions for the pain, but would like to tell you Donna, that I know how scared you are. Maybe through this outlet you will find some reassurances and comfort.
All the best, Brenda
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 2:04am |
 Dear Brenda : We have almost the same diagnosis , I was found to be Gr 3 with 2 positive nodes. I have been taking Tylenol for the aches and pains but I know exactly what you are talking about with the feet. They hurt when I first get out of bed so much that you stumble, same thing with my knees on a long car ride. I try to keep my Calcium up with supplemnents with Magnesium .Take good care of yourself . Julie
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 11:05am |
Hi Brenda,
May I ask what were the "signs" that you had in your right breast that were close to those that you had in your left breast?
Since your sister is 11 years away from dx, that has to be encouraging for you.  I know that for my daughter Lori, that is encouraging for me.
She is 45, white, upper middle class with 2 daughters and one son. There are so many young women being dx. I read an article, I believe from someone on this site, which stated that not 1 in 7, but 1 in 4 women will be diagnosed with bc in the US. Since we don't have what I believe to be up-to-date statistics on TNBC, I wonder what the % is of TNBC. Until Lori received that dx, I had never heard of TNBC.
What do the doctors tell you could be the cause of your joint pain? Or do they just dismiss it as "achiness"? Lori is at this moment receiving chemo. Last time, 8 days out from chemo, she experienced so much joint pain, that she thought she had a ruptured disc, and possibly a fractured hip.
Something happened and this posted without my knowledge 
There has to be some med that you ladies can take that will alleviate this pain. I know you are taking supplements which are far better than another drug in your body. After chemo, you don't need any more toxic chemicals!
I just got an email from "Cure" magazine today and there are numerous articles which appeared to be of interest. Have only read one so far.
My thoughts go out to you Brenda, and every one on this site.
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Nancy
Edited by Nancy - Sep 21 2007 at 11:29am
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 11:16am |
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Dear Brenda : Some of the bone aches are from the Neulasta causing the bone marrow to increase production of white blood cells. Jules
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Nancy
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 11:47am |
Woolie,
Quick question. Do you take Neulasta even after you are finished with chemo? Or is this a residual effect from the neulasta for a long time? Brenda said that she was finished with chemo.
Thanks, Nancy
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Brenda
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 3:00pm |
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I had 8 shots of Nuelasta, each one a day after my Chemo. That ended almost one year ago, so I do not think it is causing my joint pain now. This is different from the pain I had on Chemo. That was an all over ache like a very bad flu. My bones hurt so bad because they were working overtime rebuilding. This pain seems to have started this summer and is only in my feet, knees and hands. It is not debilitating like the chemo period was. I may need more vitamins and of course exercise will help too.
My best guess is that I am developing arthritis earlier than I might have had I not had Cancer and treatments. I have not seen my oncologist about this yet.
It is all so confusing.
Brenda
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 3:47pm |
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Dear Brenda : I just read on the internet that women who have been treated for breast cancer have a faster rate of osteopenia ,a precursor to bone loss so it may pay to check with your MD for a bone density. JULES
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 3:48pm |
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Dear Nancy : I am still in the middle of chemo. JULES
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 4:04pm |
Hi! I'm fairly new here too - I'm a 3-Neg. girl myself. FYI: I am on the mailing list for cancer research info. at caring4cancer.com I get emails weekly - that is how I discovered the high-risk factor of triple-negative status and immediately researched my pathology records for my hormone status - and discovered the day I had my port removed that I was 3-Negative. Anyway, the latest email just came in today about Osteoporosis and the drug called Evista. It is somewhat of a positive report that this drug actually helps osteoporosis and is known to prevent breast cancer in high-risk women! Here is the link: http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/news?NewsItemId=40518 They also talk about how chemotherapy is hard on our bones. http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/news?NewsItemId=20070919elin028.xml Just thought I should share - since these articles are right up your alley. Hope you feel better soon. Teresa J.  Just Completed Rads 8/31/07 All done with treatment
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Posted: Sep 21 2007 at 4:10pm |
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Hi! I'm fairly new here too - I'm a 3-Neg. girl myself.
FYI: I am on the mailing list for cancer research info. at caring4cancer.com I
get emails weekly - that is how I discovered the high-risk factor of
triple-negative status and immediately researched my pathology records
for my hormone status - and discovered the day I had my port removed
that I was 3-Negative.
Anyway, the latest email just came in
today about Osteoporosis and the drug called Evista. It is somewhat of
a positive report that this drug actually helps osteoporosis and is
known to prevent breast cancer in high-risk women!
Here is the link:
http://www.caring4cancer.com/ (click on CANCER INFORMATION at the top of the webpage)
They also talk about how chemotherapy is hard on our bones.
Just thought I should share - since these articles are right up your alley.
Hope you feel better soon.
Teresa J.
Just Completed Rads 8/31/07 DX 2/21/06 Stage 1 Grade 3, 0 nodes Chemo T/C 4 rounds 36 rads Waiting for BRCA1/2 results
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Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 5:52am |
Hi Gals,
I'm back from Boston, What a cool city! I walked atleast five miles a day and had stiffness and achiness up untill the 4th day, then it was mild. My joints have been stiff and achy since my chemo (ac+t) in 8/07. Found out my aunt who was a 25 year triple negative survivor also had Lupus. Found out my grandmother had rheumatoid arthritis. Both diseases are similar in that the immune system mistakenly targets/attacks different parts of the body causing inflammation. Lupus is often treated with chemo.
I have read that many bc's occurs as a result of inflammation or changes in the breast (like injury, pregnancy, irritation) as a result the cells mutate and are fueled by estrogen (even the triple negatives according to new information).
"They" have also found women who were taking anti-inflammatories for other issues had lower bc rates.
So with painful joints again it sounds like an inflammation issue.
After reading up on on both diseases I learned the supplement MSM helps with joint/tissue health and repair. I'll be starting that this week and let you know the results.
Also an acidic system is supposed to make the pain worse. Foods to avoid are tomatoes, potatoes, egg plant (all are in the night shade family), coffee, sugar. We have been eating a sh*t load of tomatoes from our garden and my husband has also noticed his joints are aching.
There is also a supplement Zyflammend that is an herbal blend which also has many herbs recommended for tumor inhibitors, but is also an anti-imflammatory.
Well, it's back to the grind.
Ronda
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Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 6:10am |
Morning Ronda,
So good to have you back 
Sooo. they tell you to eat all the foods rich in potassium for muscle cramps...potatoes, tomatoes.. and they are the acidic ones..which are bad for you... 
Lori also has been eating many tomatoes from her sister's garden. The old "catch 22"!!! I told her to eat potatoes for the leg cramps. OMG!!
Again, good to have you back and it sounds like you had a wonderful trip to Boston.
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Nancy
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Brenda
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Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 7:27am |
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Ronda and all:
Thank you for the information. Now I have to ask about the following part of your e-mail from this morning.
I have read that many bc's occurs as a result of inflammation or
changes in the breast (like injury, pregnancy, irritation) as
a result the cells mutate and are fueled by estrogen (even the triple
negatives according to new information).
I have felt for a long time that my BC might have been attributed to the fact that I had large cysts in my left breast --the one with cancer--drained every year for the past 4 years--before the cancer. It turns out that I had Squamous Cell Carcinoma of the breast--a very rare occurrence. Apparently Squamous Cell Carcinoma tends to occur in tissue that has been injured.
Anyway, my question is--where did you read this information about injury, etc. I would like to investigate this further.
Thank you for anything you can add.
Brenda
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Posted: Sep 24 2007 at 10:09am |
Hi Brenda,
My references are all over the place and have gleaned them from many sources. One book "Waking the warrior Goddess" written by a doctor talks alot about injury, irritation, and breast changes as triggering cancer. But when you also read triple negatives being basal-like in nature. Basal cancers usually are associated with irritation/injury, like lung cancer. I believe my underwire bra triggered mine because the area was sore quite a bit before the lump appeared. In many of the the articles I have read it seems that women in there 30's with triple negative gave birth a couple of years prior to dx, pregnancy causes great change in breast tissue.
To search, I type in key words Like "triple negative breast cancer pregnancy" in the search area of my pc and pull studies and articles up that way. This inflammation stuff seems to be a reoccurring theme.
There are 2 questions we want answers to: What caused it and How do we stop it from growing if it's still in us?
I think this may be part of what caused it, along with perhaps genetics. But once you have cells that have mutated, the hope is none got away. If by chance one did, how do you slow the growth.
I take alot of supplements just incase to inhibit tumor growth, but like all cancer treatments you can't really tell what works and what doesn't. I may be 100% cancer free right now, but no one can tell for sure until I get a few years past this. Then who knows if supplements helped or not. My aunt had this at 37, so maybe my good lifestyle and vitamins gave me 7 years more of good health than she got . I was diagnosed at 44. She survived 25 years pasted her bc.
Sadly no one has the answers, even the docs, so you gotta go with your gut and don't look back. You can look at other posts I have made on this site re: supplements if you're interested.
I hope that helps.
Ronda
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Posted: Sep 26 2007 at 12:23pm |
Hey Nancy,
I think potassium deficiency is a bit different re: leg cramps vs. joint pain. Alkalizing the system with, believe it or not, lemon juice in water and avoiding acidic foods is supposed to help arthritic symptoms. Leg cramps are also caused by dehydration and calcium/ magnesium deficiencies (by the way magnesium deficiencies also cause eczema type skin/rashes).
I miss Boston (I ate fattening foods there, walked 10 miles a day, and soaked up the sun! I sort of felt human, Elmer Fudd-like, but human).
Hugs,
Ronda
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Hang in there girl, we have our bad days and the thought of reoccurrance is so scary. Try to take it one day at a time baby and keep yourself close to your strengths. It's great that you are talking about how you feel that's half the battle. It's amazing these days how many times you can fight this terrible disease and keep coming back! I have been fighting cancer since 1985 and now am 39 with Congestive Heart failure due to chemotherapy. Now I'm fighting with Social Security Disability, LOL! They better look out, cause I am one heck of a fighter these days, Haha. I have a my Space page if you want to check it out. myspace.com/debbieissurviving
Keep on Keep'n on I wish you all the love and support you deserve! Keep talking about it!
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Posted: Sep 30 2007 at 5:16pm |
Hi Deb522,
I went to your my space, what a cool site. You are a survivor! I'm kind of a vitamin nut and with the guidance of my naturopath took L-carnitine and Co Q10 enzyme during chemo (on nonchemo days) (I am also still taking it) to protect my heart and now repair my heart from damage caused by the adriamycyn.
We have another gal on this site who is also having CF all though her doctor doesn't think it was caused by the chemo.
Is your heart meds working???
Hang in there!
Ronda
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Posted: Oct 04 2007 at 3:22pm |
Hello Donna,
I was diagnosed with stage 3 triple negative breast cancer just over a year and and a half ago.(I had a bi-lateral mastectomy) Since then I have had excrusating pain in my whole body even my feet hurt, I have even been hospitalized for it. My doctors don't know what is going on, so they are treating the symtems. I hope it goes away just as quick as it came.
Sorry I can't be of more help, but I hope you feel better soon.
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Posted: Oct 05 2007 at 7:14am |
Dear Donna and all, I, too, have been having terrible knee pain ever since I started radiation - it actually started one week after and has not stopped since. I am currently on chemo (every three weeks) and my oncologist says unfortunately while on chemo, they can't treat the knee pain. I tried hydrocodone but it made me very sick, so I am taking Advil - 3 tablets three times a day. It helps some, but I hobble around like an old lady most of the time. I am going to see my onc this Thursday and am going to ask him again about this pain. I've had bone scans and everything was clear, but I'm scheduled for more tests before the end of the year, so I will probably ask for another bone scan. I started my chemo the 2nd week I was on radiation which also happened to be when I started having my knee pain. I also have moderate back pain, but to be honest with you, I've had pain off and on for several years now. I think mine may be osteoarthritis.
I definitely think you should go for a bone scan and am so glad you called and made an appointment.
I hope and pray you can get over this pain and are on the road to a steady and healthy recovery.
Love and hugs,
Lisa B.
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Hi I am brand new here and a very supportive freind told me about this website - I was 39 at the time of my dx, with a 6 and 3 yr old. I was stage 3, a 4cm tumor and 20 positive nodes on 9/10/04. My onc. has never made a big deal of the trip neg. but always told me there is nothing that I can take. I did dose dense (every two weeks) treatment 4 rounds of AC and 4 rounds of Taxol, after a lumpectomy. Did another lumpectomy due to the margins not being clean and then 35 rounds of rads. Told my reccurance rate was very high but so far so good. 6 months before I found the lumps I was dx. with Lupus/Mixed connective tissue disease. The symptoms were horrible pains in my wrists and hands. The pains all went away during the chemo, but have returned massively since finishing the txs. Now all my joints hurt from my shoulders to my elbows to my feet. I was on a med for Lupus but it did nothing and I went off it. I now take Ultracet every morning which takes the edge off the pains so I can get my now 6 and 9 yr old going in the am's. I always thought these pains were related to the Lupus but now wonder if they are a result of the meds. I also developed a heart flippy thing from lovely Adriamycin. A nutritional oncologist I saw told me that I should have taken aspirin every other day during the chemo to protect my heart but oh well... my mother was diagnosed with triple neg. bc a year after me. We both had genetic testing done and we were both BRCA 1 & 2 NEG. Tells me there is something else going on here...It feels really great to be here as I do attend a young women's support group but no one is Triple negative. I have worked hard to try to change my "internal mileu" so it doesnt come back with nutrition, vitamins and emotional healing (joy therapy!), but at times feel overwhelmed with panic and fear of its return. Thank you all for being here and sharing your strenghts, after three years people seem to forget what I have been through and I feel very disconnected so it feels great to find this website!
jenn
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