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Topic: I need some advice, please.... Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 3:55pm |
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It is a long miserable story...but I was just recently diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer. I have many questions that I will try to discuss some other day...but my first is to ask what others would do in my situation. I had a lumpectomy a couple of weeks ago (and lymph nodes were reportedly negative)....but the surgeon completely missed removing the tumor. I have been told repeatedly that he is the best surgeon in town. Do I return to him for the second surgery to hopefully remove the tumor this time...or do I find another surgeon? I would really appreciate your thoughts and comments. Thanks. Xena
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Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 6:07pm |
Xena,
Ouch! I just don't understand how he could miss your tumor. But I know, that's not the issue...right now the issue is: what to do.
I think it may be hard to go back to that same surgeon. Even if you can trust him to do it the 2nd time, the question is: Is he himself confident that he could handle your case?
He may be the best surgeon, but the term "best" is usually subjective, so depending on the size of your community, there may be other surgeons who are technically more apt (but lacking something else like bedside manner, for example). If I were you I would first investigate the possibility of getting another surgeon.
If your inclination is to go back to him, maybe you can have a consultation discussing how your case is different from others that would warrant the "mistake". You can get a feel of how he handles this.
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Xena
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Posted: Sep 10 2007 at 6:16pm |
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Thank you so much for responding. I am feeling terribly alone and really don't know what to do. I am new at this game. The community is large enough...there are many other surgeons. I know nothing about any of them...but the original surgeon came highly recommended by numerous people. I was initially "marked" for surgery by U/S at the physician's office....which was unfortunately cleaned off by Nuclear Medicine at the hospital. Immediately before surgery...when it was noted that the mark was missing...the surgeon's NP whipped out her marker...and drew an "X"...which is where the surgery was performed. Unfortunately, the mark was in the incorrect place. When the pathology report finally came back after nine days...the surgeon stated that he didn't find the biopsy edges during the surgery.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 1:25am |
Xena,
I'm not a doctor, but I am BRCA1+, Triple Negative and am now treating a stage 4 recurrence. May I suggest that you discuss with your doctor the possibility of a full double mastectomy and lymph node dissection. I suggest the possibility only because I had a lumpectomy and supposedly, my Sentinal node biopsy revealed negative node involvment -- but it was wrong and cancer remained in my lymph nodes.... it grew to another tumor and the cancer spread to my lungs.
I know it may seem like overkill, but because of the aggressiveness of triple negative BC, with no treatment, it may be the best preventative. I wish that I had done it back then. It might have prevented the recurrence.
Regarding the surgeon, RUN, don't walk to a new one, and try to find a cancer research center near you.
Best wishes,
Caryn
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 3:05am |
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Xena -
That's really scary. It sounds like you suffered through a needless surgery. A suggestion: tell us where you live. I'm sure we can suggest our own surgeons if it's nearby.
Even with a small tumor and negative nodes, you should undergo chemotherapy as cancer cells can shed and travel through the blood. They don't need nodes to spread. Get yourself to an oncologist you specializes in BC. You won't find one specializing in TNBC.
You also have the right to request that your tumor sample - when you have a proper one - is viewed by a second pathologist. Make sure that you're tested for HER2 status using the FISH test. The IHC test is not good enough.
The initial dx is overwhelming, scary and isolating. I cried for days. Then I got to a point where I realized that I had to be my own best advocate. The crying stopped, I did my research, found a good oncologist that I trusted, and began chemo. Now I'm almost done and while I've come to accept the possibility of recurrence, I know that I have to resume living my life as if there's no cancer at all.
You may feel alone, but please know that you are not.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 3:32am |
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Theresa31 - Thank you for your response. You made a good point about the HER2 test...and I honestly don't know which one was used. It took so long (four weeks) to get the results back, that I was just appreciative to have any information...and didn't think to ask how the results had been obtained. Since no testing could be done...on the perfectly clear tissue removed during the surgery...at this point, there isn't even a second test with which to compare the biopsy results. I live in Richmond, VA. If anyone knows of a great surgeon and oncologist in the area...I sure need them ASAP. Thanks. Xena
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 3:47am |
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You may want to post on the Young Survival Coalition message board (www.youngsurvival.org). There are several women from Richmond and from Va. on the board & they're all very helpful and kind.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:00am |
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That's a new one for me. Thank you for your help.
Xena
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:25am |
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HI, I'm a brand-spanking-new newbie on this board. Just learned I am a triple-neg BC girl too, 7 mos. after diagnosis, same day I had my port removed (bad omen). Anyway, my surgeon put a wire through my tumor with ultrasound assistance prior to surgery. That way she could find it easier. She is a breast cancer surgeon specialist in Seattle, WA. I am lucky I live close to many great cancer centers. But if I were you I would travel as far as you need to go to seek a BC Surgeon.
Like so many other posts I read - I had to discover on my own the significance of Triple-Negative status, tracking down my own Pathology reports on my own. Doctors never even mentioned that I was a 3-Neg or my survival odds would diminish. I was always told after lumpectomy, chemo and radiation I would be at a nice shiny 92% survival rate.
NOW I'M A FREAKING!
Good Luck,
Teresa J. DX 2-21-07 Lumpectomy 3-18-07 Chemo T/C x 4 Rads 36 - completed 8-31-07
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:37am |
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My radiologist had suggested a wire placement prior to surgery, but the surgeon said that it wasn't necessary when I asked, and unfortunately, I trusted his judgement. Now, before the second surgery, a wire will be placed. My gut is telling me to find another surgeon. There are many locally but after trusting the one that is supposedly the "best"...and having a horrid outcome...I am scared to death to even let another surgeon touch me. Being back at square one, a month after the diagnosis, isn't terribly reassuring.
It sounds like you have had some problems along the way, too. We shouldn't have to research our own diseases to get all of the information about them.
Xena
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:56am |
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Hello to the other Theresa!
Yes, TNBC is scary and yes, it's damn important to arm yourself with a ton of information.
But, my father was dx with lymphoma way over 30 years ago when he was 19. He truly had no idea that it could come back. That said, he moved on, lived his life, never gave cancer a second thought, and it never came back. In light of my dx, he called his ignorace a blessing.
I don't necessarily believe in mind over mater - seriously, if it came down to that none of us would be here - but I do think that it helps to live each day as if you're in the "shiny 92%" rate. Nobody knows how long they have, so be good to yourself, to others, and most of all be happy.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:01am |
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Since I am facing an unnecessary sugery, it is hard for me to get my head around it all. I'm sure there will be a "better day"...but right now...I just need to be able to get the basics taken care of appropriately...and then I will, hopefully, be able to take care of the "happy part."
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:36am |
Hi Xena. I had wire localization for my lumpectomy. This was done with mammography. My docs are at a NCI comprehensive cancer center and I would suggest to go to one. Here's a link to the listing and I believe there's one in Richmond.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 6:09am |
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Hi Xena - I didn't mean to undermine what you're facing. I was actually responding to Teresa, who's 7 months past dx & I think done with treatment.
I really hope you find a good surgeon in Richmond.
Theresa
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 7:33am |
Hi Xena,
My name is Nancy and my daughter Lori was diagnosed with TNBC, She initially went in to have a lump removed which supposedly was a cyst. (June 11) That's how the ultrasound was read. It was not a cyst. The surgeon was a vascular surgeon and the "best" in this area. When he got in, he knew that it was cancer. Instead of removing all of it, he sliced into it and did not clear the margins. Lori will never know the exact size of the tumor. This was on the outside of her left breast. DX...June 13.
Then she went to Joyce Murtha Breast Cancer Center in Windber, PA. They did not do MRI'S as they said it showed too many "little" spots which were not conclusive. Lori did not feel comfortable with the surgeon there. She then went to Magee Women's Hospital in Pittsburgh. They did a MRI and it showed a tumor under the nipple area. Something that the ultrasound missed the first time. The MRI was done on both breasts. Nothing showed in the right breast.
Lori had numerous tests. A MRI of the brain, chest x-ray, bone scan, ultrasound of the ovaries, and many more. Her husband was the one scheduling these tests. She could not have done any of this herself.
She had all of her tests in her hand when she went to Murtha and then to Magee. Lori then had a mastectomy on July 6 at Magee. They removed nodes (negative) and cleared the margins. She too had to go through an unnecessary surgery, due to the fact that someone read the ultrasound totally wrong.
She just went through her second chemo on August 31. 4 more to go and then 6 weeks of rads 5 times weekly.
I do hope that you have someone who can go with you to help you along the way. Pam, trip2 who posts on here is right when she says that you really need someone else, family or friend, at your side. You will not hear all that the dr's or anyone else says. It is you who has to fight this, but someone else needs to be taking notes. Lori would never go back to the first surgeon for anything!
The women on this site are the greatest! They have been through this and will help you all the way. Lori is still on an emotional rollercoaster. Our entire family is. You really do need to get a second and third opinion. If the surgeon or onc does not answer your questions, then move on. It is your body..your life!
Many hugs to you,
Nancy (Lori's Mom)
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 8:01am |
Xena, hello and my goodness I can see why you are confused. Unfortunately women do run into problems like this sometimes and we don't need it, just adds to the stress of getting things done.
I'm so glad you joined and have come here for opinions and you got alot of good suggestions from the ladies here.
Speaking with another surgeon might be a good idea, question them on how they do this procedure and make a list of any other questions. Since you have been thru one unnecessary surgery you definitely want the next one to be right!
You are your best advocate. As Nancy said, take someone with you if you can, hearing you have bc is overwhelming enough and it's really hard to take in all the information and follow what you are being told by a Doc, make big decisions.
Do you have a good support system around you??
Keep us posted on what you decide to do and we'll try to help.
Sad to say mistakes are made sometimes in the medical field and it can knock you for a loop. It's disheartening and scary, we are supposed to be able to trust these people we are hiring to make us well!
Like some of the others posted, I too have had two lumpectomies and both times I had a needle put in as a by both mammo and US before surgery to mark the tumor so make sure whoever you choose is going to do this for you.
We do really have to work hard ourselves as the patient to learn all we can and to protect ourselves, be our own advocate and it isn't always easy with so much going on but things will fall into place for you.
Keep writing Xena and let us know.
Oh and one other thing copies! Make sure you keep copies of your results from tests, scans etc., so that you have your set too for reference. You have a right to these so just ask as things move along.
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 8:10am |
Hello Teresa J, I wanted to wish you a warm welcome and I'm so sorry you have had breast cancer.
Sounds like you learned later on by your email that you were trip neg. It was the same for me, I learned on my own probably 3 yrs after my treatment! I didn't even get on the puter to learn and boy looking back that was a mistake but glad I finally did so that I could learn about my diagnosis and know more of what was going on when it came back this year.
Please don't freak, there are so many meds that look promising for triple negs, studies and articles are popping up all over the place so we have to have hope that help is around the corner. 
Have a good one,
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Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 9:46am |
Zena,
Bless your heart, how frustrated you must be !
I don't know how difficult it is for you to travel for treatment, but I certainly can recommend the Comprehensive Cancer Center at Wake Forest
Univ. I'm sure the Cancer Center at Duke is good also. These are both, of course, in North Carolina -- and maybe not too far away from Richmond.
My personal experience is with Wake Forest and I know that a big % of their patients come from very far away. They are very aware of the effort it takes to travel, and do everything possible to accommodate.
You want the best possible minds for the diagnosis and determination of treatment. And you want to know that all the supporting personnel, radiology, pathology, etc are competent and trustworthy also. Don't stop until you find a high quality cancer center.
I live in Winston-Salem. Let me know how I can help.
Hugs,
Jessie
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