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    Posted: Jul 16 2012 at 11:58pm
I am 48 years old.  Recently diagnosed, stage 1, grade 3, 1.7 cm, no margins, no nodes.  Cancer in 1 breast.  Double mastectomy 06/2012.  I am in good health, ideal weight.  Oncologist recommends chemo.  I am not at peace due to possible side effects and there is no guarantee that cancer will not occur.  There is an approx. 75% percent chance of no recurrence without chemo and 25% - 30% of recurrence.  There is an approx. 12 - 15% recurrence rate with chemo.  My aunt who is 6 years older died 2 from tnbc 2 weeks ago.  Also, I personally know 3 other individuals who died from tnbc...all went the chemo route for treatment. 

Are there any survivors out there who did not take chemo.  I am despondent and scared.  But, I am unable to get on board with the chemo....although I understand that some women have benefited from it.
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hi clifford,

i thought i would give you my 2 cents. when i found out i had TNBC, i too was scared and despondent. the very idea of chemo was incomprehensible to me. my oncologist and surgeon both felt it was important, but my tumor was larger than yours (about 3 cm) and they wanted to reduce the size before surgery and chemo was the only way (i opted for a lumpectomy). i somehow made it through the chemo, and did not loose my hair, which was a big deal for me. i am not going to say it was easy, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I was 47 years old at diagnosis, and i am 2 years from my surgery now. I will never know if the chemo made any difference or not in the end, but I feel I have done everything possible to fight this disease that I could do. By the way, were you going to have radiation done if you did not opt for the chemo? Did you have the BRCA test done, especially since you have a family history of TNBC. IF you are BRCA positive, that might affect your treatment decisions. I'm sure you will hear this from other women on the forum. I wish you the best in whatever your decision is. 
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Lisa...thank you for your reply.  I am neg for the BRCA genes.
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Clifford,
I certainly understand where you are coming from.  There are no guarantees, even with chemo.  All I can say is that for me personally, I have some peace in knowing that I did everything I could.  Have you thought of getting another opinion?  Chemo is the only treatment for TNBC since we have no drugs to take afterward that will help avoid a recurrence.  I wish you the best.  Please repost and ask any questions you might have about chemo.
Charlene
DX 3/10 @59 ILC/TNBC
Stage 1, Grade 2, Multifocal; Lumpectomy/re-excision
SNB 0/4 nodes, BRCA-; Taxotere/Cytoxan X4, 30 rads
3/14:NED
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Charlene,

Fortunately, I have consulted with good oncologists who have answered all of my questions regarding the short, intermediate, and long term possible risks and benefits associated with chemo.  My hesitation is based on my personal experience with other TNBC friends and family who did not have a favorable outcome.  I understand that each person is different and there is not a way to determine if an individual will or will not benefit from chemo.  It will be the most difficult decision of my life.
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I can echo what Charlene said in that I wanted to be sure that I did everything I could - you can never go back and say "coulda, woulda, shoulda".  My oncologist, when I questioned her about needing chemo (it terrified me too) said it would zap the smallest cells that may be cruising around my body ready to take up residence somewhere else. 
 
Chemo was no walk in the park for me, but I got through it.  You never know how you are going to react - some women continue to work full-time or just take a few days off around infusion time. 
 
Fear of the unknown is your worst enemy, but once you have a plan, it does get easier to wrap your head around it.
 
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8/06: IDC 1cm, 0/9 lymph nodes, lumpectomy, Mammosite radiation, 4 x A/C
5/07: BRCA1+ (5382insC)
11/09: IDC 3mm, double mastectomy w/reconstruction

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I was stage I with odds as you describe.  Diagnosed at age 44.  I also wanted to do everything I could.    What scared me the most was the prognosis if I had metastasis.  I wanted to do everything I could to avoid that.  Chemo was so much more tolerable that I feared.  I had the AC cocktail four times.  It made me feel super yucky off and on for 3-4 days.  Then I had Taxol four times.  The Taxol didn't make me feel sick at all--just very tired for a few days and I had some neuropathy in feet and hands.  There were certainly side effects like sore mouth, runny nose, fatigue, anemia, dry skin, and of course hair loss.  But I worked full time, worked out nearly every day, went out with friends, kept up with my social life.  There was plenty of joy in my life during that time. 
 
 
Tested positive for BRCA1 mutation (187delAG) in 4/09 @ age 44; BSO 9/09; diagnosed w/TNBC in 10/09; 1 cm Stage 1 TNBC IDC, grade 3 + 1.5 cm DCIS; BMX 11/09, nodes clear; chemo (AC/T).
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Clifford,

I do believe that the overall statistics demonstrate that there is a benefit to having chemo, even for TNBC patients. While that does not appear to be your own personal experience, it is true for the general population. Although you mention that you have known both family and friends who have been diagnosed with TNBC, had chemo & passed away, you do not mention their stage at diagnosis, nor the chemo that they were given (3rd generation chemo now includes a taxane as well as cytoxan and adriamycin, or variations of this 3-drug combo). Further, it is impossible to know the extent to which the chemo may have increased their life span vs. having no chemo at all.

While hormone therapies are not an option for us, and because of your prior mastectomy, you would not be a candidate for neoadjuvant treatment, adjuvant chemo does present an opportunity to potentially increase survival. What is not known is which patients it will benefit...that includes you (and me)...irregardless of the outcome of those you have known. Like others have said, it is ultimately your decision, but I will echo their comments: It is doable, and your quality of life is mostly affected during those 3-4 months during chemo (although some do have more lingering effects), and those affects can also vary from patient to patient.

Best of luck to you, it is a difficult decision.


Edited by turtle - Jul 18 2012 at 11:57am
DX IDC TNBC 1/15/12 @ 46; MRI 2.4cm gr3 BRCA2+ 6174delT; LMX 1/31/12 2.5cm, pT2pNO(i)pMX, lymphovascular invasion present; 2/20/12 TAC X 6; 7/2/12 Rad X 25; 9/27/2012 2nd mastectomy & BSO surgery
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Clifford,

Good to hear your surgery is behind you.
Very sorry to hear of your losses from TNBC with your aunt and friends.

There is at least one other member on the forum who if I remember correctly.......
did not do chemo nor radiation due to delays due to other health reasons.
Unsure how close her situation was to yours.
Maybe she will see your post and respond.

I cannot begin to imagine what it is like dealing with TNBC and having had 3 friends die of TNBC and
having an aunt just 2 weeks ago die of TNBC.   Sending you lots of caring and supportive thoughts.

Please know I believe one aims to make the best decision for oneself.
I respect the decision that every one comes to.

Will share a few thoughts that crossed my mind when I read your post.   Just disregard if not helpful.
1. I would try to see if I could separate 3 things........acknowledging that this would be challenging to do.
           - The theoretical information about TNBC and it's treatment.
           -   With TNBC, there are more survivors than non-survivors.
                      (Again, sorry this has not been your experience)
           -   Acknowledge that with an experience with a recent TNBC death and other TNBC deaths,
                     the treatment decision ......which can be difficult by itself for many......can be even more
                    challenging in the presence of so many emotions and feelings.
2. I would try to sit down.......take several deep breaths........and then try to make a list "for some one
                    else" listing the pros and cons of doing chemo.
3. I would strongly consider calling the TNBC Helpline........and one may call several times.   
          The Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation® has partnered with CancerCare to offer free,    professional support services to patients, families and health providers coping with a diagnosis of
triple negative breast cancer. The TNBC Helpline is staffed by experienced oncology social workers
with specific knowledge of triple negative disease.
Monday through Thursday 9am to 7pm EST and Friday 9am to 5pm EST.    877-880-TNBC (8622)   
An experienced TNBC oncology social worker might be helpful in looking at and sorting out all the additional issues and emotions present when one is planning a chemo decision in the setting of
a so recent death from TNBC.
       ............or if there was an ONCOLOGY social worker where I was receiving care, I would consider
       that and/or the TNBC Helpline.

I hope you have seen the recent posts on the thread:
    http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/survivors-needed_topic8221_page12.html
Realizing it has not been your experience to hear of many survivors.........you may find this
thread hopeful.

When the word hope is mentioned, I find this statement by Jerome Groopman, MD in his
book: "Anatomy of Hope" helpful.......usually have to read it twice to understand it.
If you do not find helpful, just disregard.
" Each disease is uncertain in its outcome and within that uncertainly we find real hope, because a
tumor has not always read the textbook, and a treatment can have an unexpectedly dramatic
impact. This is the great paradox of true hope. Because nothing is absolutely determined, there
is not only reason to fear but also reason to hope."
He also says: "Hope is a belief and expectation."

Hoping you can receive whatever support you need to make your chemo decision.
Your decision will be respected.

With sympathy to you on your losses and
With caring and positive thoughts,
Grateful for today......Judy
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