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    Posted: May 30 2007 at 7:04pm
I have a friend who was just diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer and I would love some effective treatments to tell her about to keep her outlook positive. Please advise.
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HI MICHELE!
WONDERFUL 2 HAVE A SITE 4 US GALS AT LAST.... JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF:
I WAS DIG.. AGE 41 WITH TRIP..NEG BREST CANCER! HAD DOSE DENCE A@CD AND 6 WEEKS OF RADS.
FAST FORWORD 2 LAST YEAR AND IT TURNED UP IN LEFT LUNG.. HAD LUNG REMOVED AND HAD CAROPLATEN AND GEMCITABIN..IM TOLD IM IN REMISSION YAAAAAAA.. AS 4 THE A@CD MENT 2 BE EFFECTIVE???? I WONDER NOW ABOUT IT NOW??? HOPEFULLY SOME 1 NEW WILL COME ALONG AND GIVE U ADVISE... WARM HUGS FROM IRELAND P.. 
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I'm so glad we finally have a place too pinkp!  Congratulations on your remission, that is wonderful.
 
Michele, I know alot of triple negs use Adriamyacin, Cytoxan, Taxol and they are coming up w/more chemos for us to try.  I am now using Taxotere since I have had another new primary on the other side.  They have new chemos for use if some don't work the first time like Cistplatin, the carboplatinums.
It would depend upon your friend's personal situation too since we are all individual and have other variables, our bodies and pathologies different.
Best wishes for your friend,
 
 
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 I am in a clinical trial that is using the drug called Avastin.  I started this treatment along with Taxol back in Jan. 2007.  I will continue every 2 weeks until Nov. 20th.  I was diagnosed with stage IIIC in late Aug. 2006.  I had bilateral masectomy, 14 out of 35 nodes positive.  I am doing really well though.  Deanna (39 yrs. old from Wisconsin)
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I was diagnosed in Sept 2005, had AC followed by Taxol and 33 rads. No node involvement, 2cm tumor. I was 50 years old when diagnosed.
 
I have read that Taxol or Taxotere have been found to be good for us triple negs. Also the cisplatin and carboplatin. I've also read that they are now trying to avoid the A and do just C and T. 
 
I started with dose dense AC but only had 3 out of 4 treatments due to a deadly bacterial infection I had after the 3rd treatment. I then had 12 weekly Taxol instead of the dose dense Taxol because they were afraid. They also lowered my dose a touch to make it easier on me.
 
Am worried that all of this will make a difference in the end.
 
I'm glad there is a forum for triple negatives and I hope that more will join.
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Hi Deanna, that's great you are doing so well, good for you.
 
So you were dx in Aug of 06, did you try other chemo at that time before starting the Avastin trial?
 
 
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My name is Tina and I was dx with triple neg idc bc in April 06. I breezed though treatment only for it to come back in both lungs and a lymph node. I'll start xeloda on tuesday and avastin in two weeks. I'm 41 and in great health otherwise. Anyone in the same boat as me ? This is my first visit to this site. I live in Marietta, Ga.
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 4 weeks after surgery, I had dose dense treatments of AC. Then dose dense of Taxol.  At the same time I began Taxol, I also started the Avastin clinical.  Right now, there really isn't much data on how the Avastin helps with BC.  It definitely has been proven to help with Colon cancer.  Deanna
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I was diagnosed in January 1998 with er and pr negative, 3 cm tumor.  I had two nodes involved, no angiovascular invasion.  I do not know the herceptin status as this was not a developed treatment option yet.  I had 4 rounds of ac, four of taxol and 33 rads.  So far, so good. I was aged 39 at dx.



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Hi there!
I'm Jules, 39, from the UK and I'm a newbie to the site.  I'm so pleased to have found a forum for 3negs as there seems to be so little info on the net about treatment options available and research being undertaken. 
 
I was dx Aug2006 with 3neg grade 3 invasive ductal carcinoma (tumour 17mm) but I have a history of Hodgkin's Lymphoma treated with VAPEC-B chemo plus 20 x radiotherapy to mantle field 14 years prior to BC dx.  I'm awaiting results of genetic tests but the belief is that the BC was caused by the radiotherapy I received in 1992.  It has been proved that women treated with radiotherapy at under 35 yrs for Hodgkins are at very high risk of breast cancer developing before they reach 50. For this reason I've been having annual mamms since 2004 and this is how my BC was discovered early.
 
In Aug06 I had a full mastectomy, left side, with level II node clearance (nodes were found clear) and in Oct06 I started chemo of 6 x 3-weekly cycles of IV Docetaxel (Taxotere) plus 6 x 3-weekly cycles of Capecitabine (Xeloda) - chemo finished mid Feb2007.
 
All seems to have gone well but because of the high risk of recurrence I've opted to have a prophylactic right side mastectomy in Oct2007.
 
I would like to chat/share info with other 3neg BC patients (especially anyone post-Hodgkin's Lymphoma) and would be pleased to hear from anyone who can help point me in the right direction for chat, info or research on this sub-group of BC.
 
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My name is Tricia and I was diagnosed with triple negative invasive ductal in March of 2006 at the age of 33. I found the 3.5 cm tumor while nursing my 10 month old at the time. I had a bilateral mastectomy in April of 2006, 6 chemo treatments of TAC (T being Taxotere not Taxol)and 36 radiation treatments in fall of '06. I was cruising along just fine until my 6 month checkup. I found a lump on my chest wall which ended up being the same type of BC. After several CT's, a PET scan, & bone scan, they found it is now in both lungs, I have enlarged lymph nodes in my lungs, and a 1" tumor behind my ribcage. They are also looking at my spine because it lit up on the PET scan but I had a clean bone scan. I have had a 2nd opinion at Mayo and they want me to enter a trial of Capsitabine (sp?) plus Avastin. My oncologist says that is a reasonable choice but not her first choice. Does anyone else have any advice to offer or any info. about personal expericence with either of these two drugs. I'm uneasy about the trial because only 2 out of 3 will get the drug, the others will get the placebo. My prognosis has been given to be five years of survival or less. I am now 34 with two little girls, ages 2 and 4, and needless to say, I'm devastated and also confused about what treatment to follow. Isn't Xeloda the same as Capsitabine? This is my first visit to this site too - my husband found it today and showed me. I live in Duluth, MN. Please share any thoughts - thanks!
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Dear Tricia,

So sorry to hear of your recent dx. I do not know much about what you are talking about, but I do know xeloda isnt the same as capsitaine. I hope someone else can be more helpful.

I just wanted to say as a mum of a little one myself- 15 month old boy- I feel for you so much and hope that you can get some treatment sorted soon.

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Hello Tricia.  Jules here, I'm also new to the site and my story is above, just before yours. 

I'm so very sorry to hear about your recent problems. It does make it so hard when the children are so very little, but then kids are just amazing in helping you laugh in the most desperate of situations.  They just keep you going and make it all worth while.
 
Just to let you know that I have just finished a course of Capecitabine (also known as Xeloda) for Stage 1 BC in combination with Docetaxel (Taxotere).  It's usually given for more advanced cases but I've already had chemo before for Lymphoma so I was treated as if it was a recurrence.
   
The dosage of Capecitabine given was graduated so that the first cycle had a slightly lower dose (2000mg twice daily) to reduce the probability of an adverse reaction. Subsequent cycles were at the full dosage (2500mg twice daily).  The Capecitabine was given in tablet form (with a large glass of water and within 30 minutes of eating a meal) twice a day over days 1 to 14 of a 21 day cycle.  Days 15 to 21 were rest days with no tablets to be taken and this gives your body time to recover it's blood levels and ability to fight off infection before the next cycle begins.  I was given 6 cycles in total (18 weeks). 
 
Although Capecitabine is quite a toxic drug and the list of possible side effects fairly long please don't feel discouraged by this as often the side effects are not that bad at all (as it was for me).  I did lose all my hair but this was mainly because of the Docetaxel and if I had just had the Capecitabine alone it would have just thinned.  It soon grows back thick and fast when treatment stops.  I did have a little nausea but this was managed well with Metaclopramide.  For some reason, like clockwork, I used to get a bit of diarrhoea on days 10 & 11 but again this was easily managed with Loperamide and making sure I drank plenty of water to avoid dehydration.  Other things I noticed were a few mouth sores (Aloclair spray worked brilliantly to numb these), a definite change in taste and smell (you may go off your favourite foods big time), loss of appetite (it may be a good idea to see a dietitian) and ridged/brittle nails. 
 
There were two things that I didn't quite bargain for, the first being the high level of fatigue. My best advice here is to go with the flow and sleep, sleep, sleep. Hopefully this will give you energy for the important stuff - though I do appreciate it's not easy to do this when you have young kiddies. They're a 24 hour job. Accept help from your friends and family whenever you can and get in those 40 winks.  The second thing was a problem known as Hand Foot Syndrome.  The skin on your hands and feet may redden and become very sensitive.  In some cases (as in mine) the skin can peel off, get sore and make walking a bit "ouch!".  Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) works well to reduce this and I would definitely recommend getting some nice soft comfy shoes.  I had one blip in my treatment when my blood levels didn't recover very well. My Neutrophils fell to 0.3 and I felt a little flu-ish.  I had a few days in hospital to recover, my treatment stopped for 2 weeks and then the dosage was reduced by 20% for the remainder of the course to help me maintain better blood levels.  Although I was in hospital I really didn't feel that bad at all (felt a bit of a fraud at the time!).  The worst was making sure that there is someone to look after the children and keep them happy and safe through it all.
 
I hope this information helps you.  The one thing I do know is that the treatment affects every person very differently and to different levels.  Experiencing a lack of side effects may not necessarily mean that you are the 1 in 3 receiving the placebo.  I wish you every success, Tricia.
Take care
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Tricia,  I have been taking Avastin since Jan. 2007.  I receive a 30 minute treatment every 2 weeks.  The only side effects I have had are elevated blood pressure and a little bit of tiredness.  I was very thankful to get into the study that I am in.  I hope this benefits you also.  Deanna

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Well there you go I was wrong!!

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Hi,
I found my lump august 16,2004.  Had a lump. Oct.1,2004. 3 negs.Grade 3-4cm. No nodes -Stage 2a. And they said it was medullary kind..  Started my Chemo abou 2 weeks after my surgery.  A/C every 2 weeks 4 treatments and then 4 treatments of Taxol every 2 weeks.  After every treatment I had a Neulasta shot.  The 33 rounds of Rads. 
 
So nice to have this site.  Lets hear how everyone is doing.
 
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Hi Tricia & Others -

CalGal here.  On my recurr, mets to liver and unrelated kidney cancer dx in 12/05, I did a ton of research before starting chemo.   During the month that it took to get 2nd opinions to convince my HMO to do a liver biopsy, schedule that biopsy and get the results, my 2 cm breast tumor increased 50% to 3 cm.  The rapid growth was unnerving.  I actually was looking forward to starting chemo ... since until then, the cancer was rapidly growing ... and I was not fighitng it.

My research focused not only on triple negs, but BRCA1 and liver mets.  My HMO proposed the standard 4 AC, then 4 Taxol, then scans; which seemed quite standard.  I felt as a triple neg, BRCA1 with liver mets, that standard was not in my best interest.

Instead, I started with 4 dose dense AC.  After the first AC, my visible tumor starting shrinking!  By the 3rd AC, neither I nor my onc could see or feel it!   I kept on with the AC.   I asked for and got a CT Scan after 4 AC's - the breast tumor was gone and the liver mets were reduced!  Since I was so responsive to the AC and my MUGA scans were strong, I did 2 more AC for a total of 6.

Next, I took a break for radio-frequency ablation (RFA) of my liver mets.   That was a huge fight with my HMO.   They dismissed and then denied my requests for it.  But after going to a major cancer center (and paying out of pocket for a special CT Scan) and being told I was a candidate for RFA, my HMO relented.   It turns out they could only find 2 mets (4 originally) ... and that's the 2 they burned up with the RFA!  At that point, 6/30/06, I was a technically NED for bc and bc mets ... now, almsot year later, I'm still NED!!  :)

Based on my research and outside consultations, I really felt that Carboplatin was a great choice for triple negs and that Taxotere was better than Taxol for bc mets ... So I did 5 Taxotere & Carboplatin treatments as an extra precaution.

Note:   Thoughout my entire chemo, I had low wbc counts and had to do the self (or DH) administered Neupogen injections.

Re:   Hair, Neuropothy & Nail-Lifting

The hair loss due to the AC was traumtic, despite intellectually knowing it had to be done and preparing for it with several shorter and shorter cuts ... By the time I was going to start Taxotere & Carboplatin, I had short hair and had "graduated" from the wigs ... I did NOT want to start over with a bald head!

I found a French study that discussed "hypothermia" (cold/frozen) products to prevent hair loss, neuropothy and nail-lifting.   Turns out the products are manufactured in Kansas ... I ordered 3 caps, and 2 prs of gloves and booties.   You put them in the freezer, transport them to chemo in a cooler with dry ice, put them on 15 min before treatment, change the caps every 30 min and the others every 45 min. and leave them on 15 min post-chemo.  It was a bit of work ... my husband did it all (you definitely need someone to do it for you) ... but so worth it ... I SAVED MY POST-AC SHORT HAIR and did NOT get neuropothy or nail lifting. 

NOTE:  The caps do NOT work with Adriamycin!  I only checked to see if they worked for Taxotere & Carboplatin; so if you're interested, you need to check for your specific chemo.   The site is www.elastogel.com

In 3/07, I had RFA of the kidney cancer.  At this point, I'm getting quarterly PET/CT Scans and blood-work.  With my endocrinologist, we're still trying to figure out the source of high-normal to high calcium levels (likely my parathyroid) as well as whether my enlarged thryoid is masking more serious issues ...

I hope you all don't mind that this is so long ... but it all pertains effective treatment ... If you have any questions, feel free.

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Calgal I never find your posts too long, they are always informative, you've done your homework!
Interesting about the caps, gloves and booties, they not only saved your hair, but the nails and neuropathy, that is amazing
 
I am having my 2nd treatment of Taxotere this Thursday and will finally get Neulasta after having a horrible time last week.
I asked about being able to do the shots at home as this clinic is 40 miles one way and would have to go back the next day but they said most insurance companies don't like it because of the cost, keeping the meds at the correct temp. etc., so I'll just drive back up, it will be worth the hastle.
 
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Thanks ...

I'm sorry you're having a horrible time with Taxotere ...  my onc hesitated on giving it to me since she had 2 women who had a awful side effect of red and peeling hands and feet, bad enough to be hospitalized. 

I hope the Neulasta does the trick.   When you do the self-injections of Neupogen, they give you small vials (I had 8 when on chemo every 2 wks and worked up to 16 when on the Taxotere & Carboplatin combo every 3 wks).   The vials are in a box or pill container and you keep them in the fridge (and you could use a insulated lunch bag or for traveling, I bought a plastic cup with lid and Neoprene holder.  I did hear the Neupogen vials were very expensive, around $350 a dose.

I hope the Neulasta works well for you and you feel much better.

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http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/25/10/1295
Discussion on triple neg treatments.  There seems to be varying opinions on whether all triple negs are basal type, I know mine was from my BRCA 1 findings.  According to the ACS triple negs are considered basal types.
I've been trying to find us some  more information, I'll keep looking.
You know last night I got out two of my good books and the info for triple neg is so pitiful.  This just has to change.
I can understand they tend to concentrate on the majority bc positives but we count too and we are people who need help just the same with ours being so aggressive this is sooo important.
 
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