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I am meeting with the Breast Surgeon and Plastic Surgeon in a couple of weeks to discuss surgical procedures.  The last time I had an appt with the Breast Surgeon we suspected TNBC, but did not have the Oncotype results back.   At that time we discussed a Lumpectomy and Reduction due to the size.   I spoke with the Oncologist last week and he agreed with that plan.  Should I question much deeper with having both breasts removed??  I'm afraid if I don't just remove both that I will regret it. 

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I am a 43 year old white female.  TNBC Stage 3 only found in Left Breast and Nodes.  BRCA Negative.
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I think this is the hardest decision to make.  I had stage 1, no lumph nodes involvement, had chemo , lympectomy,and radiation and was cancer free for 2 years.  As of 4 weeks ago, I am now met, stage 4, lung and questioned my decision 2 years ago. Both my surgeon and oncologist jumped on me immediately and said I made the right decision and not look back.  I had all clear margins, I was cancer free.  My onogologist said that if these little cells want out they will get out and if mascetomies were the answer to cure breast cancer then we should all line up and have it done.  Per my drs. studies are not proving that the cure rate is the same with lympectomy and mas.  I was wondering how many reocurring have had lym.vs mas.  
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reread my message and had typo.  Studies are showing cure is the same for both lym/ and mast. Sorry

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Michelle:
 
I agree with Aletha.  My oncologists said the same thing.  My ordeal was a bit more detailed with an infection after quadrectomy so I had another surgery on top of the first one and was packed beginning with 2.5 yards of 1/2 inch packing weaning down of course for 5 months, so I would have gone with the mastectomy rather than deal with that. But that is hind sight and that is always 20/20!  You are still young and if the oncologists are telling you that your diagnosis with lumpectomy is just as good then yes, I would go with that.  Like Aletha said "if those tiny cells want to run rampid they will find a way to get out no matter what surgery you have".  The key is to get the right chemo and radiation follow-up and change your diet, exercise, do all that you can do to change your metabolism to a natural state. 
 
Read through the resource section and see what lengths the women and men at this foundation have done to change their lives and LIVE to tell about it!
 
Take care and know that no matter what YOU decide, because no one can tell you what to do, just feel good about your decision and go with what follows.  No matter, it is a tough journey for anyone to go through, but know you are not alone in it.  We also have a spiritual site so if you feel inclined, or need prayer, just check in with us and you will be placed very lovingly on our LIST of intercessary prayers.
 
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Aletha and Ezloper,

A mastectomy wouldn't prevent metastatic disease, only local recurrence or a new primary in the same breast.  Ezloper, it is a hard decision, but know that all studies so far point to equivalent survival rates of mastectomy vs lumpectomy and radiation.  Aletha, having a mastectomy wouldn't have prevented this.  Those cells were wandering around far from the breast long before you decided one way or another what to do.    We always want to second guess ourselves, but you did all you could.  Many of us just happen to have cancers that are not wiped out by chemo, and have enough tricks that they can 'wake up' with time.  Roughly four out of ten of us have this exact thing happen.  You are SO not alone.  Breast cancer is no longer believed to be a local disease, even very early stage.  Those cells are disseminated throughout our bodies long before we are ever diagnosed.   Some people are fortunate enough to have those cells be exquisitely sensitive to chemotherapy.  Chemo wipes out every last one (the famous pCRs).  Others are lucky in that though they don't have a pCR, for some reason the disseminated cells never leave dormancy, or never leave dormancy in a way that becomes problematic for the host (us).  The rest  have the cells lying around here and there, and eventually they wake up and start growing, and nothing in our systems puts the brakes on, and we end up with stage IV.  It's a crap shoot.   I'm so sorry you find yourself battling stage IV.  But I hope you know that here you have support and company through whatever happens.  And hope too!!  We have many women who have been seriously, seriously ill and then gone into remission.  Also, women who live with stable or slowly progressing disease for a LONG time.   For some, this is just a chronic condition that doesn't hugely impact quality of life.  There too, is uncertainty.  None of know where we land at pretty much any point in the game.  Do you know what I mean? 

Anyways, I'm rambling.

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Denise:  Thank you for your words.  It is so good to hear from others what drs. are telling me....I have great drs and I trust them, but your words have really helped me to believe that all the right decisions have been made and as I know we  just have to move forward with avengence adn get this stuff into remission.  thanks again
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I also want to thank everyone.  It is comforting to hear from others as well as what the medical world might be saying.   It does ring home that this is a battle that I will fight the rest of my life.  Previously I had it in my mind that by the end of the year I would be cancer free and ready to continue living.
43Yrs Old. Stage 3 TNBC Isolated to 1 breast and Lymph Node. BRCA Negative. A/C 4 treatments Taxotere/Carbo 4 treatments. Plan is Chemo,Lumpectomy with reduction then Radiation.
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I had a mastectomy and then had a local recurrance in that breast 2 times.  When I had my mammogram after the first year after treatment they didn't do the breast I had removed. I asked why and she said, "Oh, we don't do it on the side of a mastectomy because you wouldn't have cancer there. I said, O.K. but thought it was a little weird.  Two months later I felt a lump on the mastectomy side and sure enough it was cancer again. Then again 8 months after that.  I think I would have have the same response whether lumpectomy or mastectomy.  Who knows.
diag. 6/06, Stage 1, Mastectomy, Chemo. Loc. Rec. 2/08 and 12/08, Mets to Bones, Liver, Mediastinal, Lungs and Pleural Effusion to Left Lung 12/09. BRCA1 pos.
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Oh my...I am so sorry for your fight now, but your words mean so much.  I now have your story for the well meaning ones who ask me questions regarding the mas vs lump thinking they may think I made a wrong decision.  I had always wondered about mas and reconstruction and being able to "find" cancer behind all that.  My Dr. said it could always come back on the breast bone and harder to detect.  I can't believe you were told no mammogram needed....Wow.   I think you and I did what we had to do, however those nasty cells just were going to get us I guess.  Luck of the draw. How are you doing now?  I will pray for you and thanks so much for replying. 

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alexjack, I am shocked that the tech did not give you mamo on side of original  ca.  Hard to believe the dr didn't have in his order.  /But now that mine has mets to bone, my oc. says there's really no reason to have any mamo and my once a year was cancelled.  Has anyone else been told this?
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I think this is a highly personalized decision and what is right for one person may not be right for another. 10 years ago when my aunt had BC she did a bilateral mastectomy and never looked back.  And last year, when I was diagnosed at age 39, I too opted for a bilateral mastectomy and do not regret my decision.  Both my Aunt and I are worry warts and I knew if I had one left that I would be constantly worried about it.  That was coupled with the fact that I was a DDD and when I went for plastic surgery consult, the surgeon didn't really give me an option--just said "of course you will want a bilateral mastectomy because the reconstruction will then be equal."  That kind of confirmed my decision.  I didn't want to be uni-boob...and at that, uni- BIG- boob!  But again, that was my choice.  My breast surgeon said that she has many happy uni-boob'ers that couldn't imagine life any other way.
Hang in there!
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I agree that it is a personal decision and whatever  is chosen is the right decision.  However, as Alexjack wrote I just don't want anyone thinking that a mastecomy will cure cancer or that lympectomy is "not enough".  I can't belive she was told a mamogram wouldn't be necessary and that she actually discovered a lump twice the the same breast that had been removed.  Being a lympectomy person it really opened by eyes and I wan tto be sure that my friends getting whichever surgery are aware of these kinds of stories.  Always be aware of your body no matter what!!  Thanks for your words Carole and I pray for you as well.
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Now that I'm thinking about it more, it is very funny that I have cancer just about everywhere in my body now EXCEPT MY RIGHT BREAST!!!!!!!  Go figure.
The pet scan I had in Feb 2009 which they said they saw something but decided it was not cancer. Well, it was and 10 months later spread everywhere.  Do you question everything? I am very proactive in my own health but how many times do you check something that they tell you. If we could only see inside our bodies without all these intense tests, pet scan, bone scan, mri or ct scan..   ah, wishful thinking!!!!!!
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