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Diane66
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Topic: Lumpectomies Posted: Jan 06 2010 at 10:00am |
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I'm having a lumpectomy next week and would really like to speak with women who have had lumpectomies. I want to know what to expect regarding pain, healing time, the new appearance of the breast and chemo. I'd love to get suggestions about how to best prepare. I am a stage 2 with a tumor measured 6 weeks ago as 2 cm in diameter and 3.2 cm long.
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Posted: Jan 06 2010 at 11:31am |
Hello Diane. I know there are research articles on lumpectomies but each of us is unique. I had a lumpectomy and complete level 1 & 2 axilla dissection (lymph nodes removed) on Sept 10/09. My tumour size was 1.7 cm but they were going after about 2 cm plus margins excision because there was a potential satellite lesion on MRI. The morning of surgery they did a needle localization. They freeze you and under mammogram place two needle so they know exactly where to go and what to remove. There is some discomfort but it was not horrible. It did take about 45 minutes. Then they put a cup over the needles (so they do not poke things) and you wait for the surgery. I am not sure if everyone gets this needle localization prior to surgery. I had a small pouch with a wire into the operative area that had a medication like dental freezing to keep the area numb for two days. I am very glad I had this as most of my discomfort was in the arm; I think because of the lymph node surgery. I travelled two days later but took it really easy not lifting anything. Once the little pouch pain wore off they had given me vicodin to take which did not work very well at all. I went and got some 2 mg dilaudid and could take 1-2 of those and this was much more effective for several days. I had a drain for 5 days. A small plastic bulb that you prime by squeezing and they will show you haw that all works. I started gently doing exercises a couple of days after surgery and got more into it after the drains were removed. Again they gave me a list of exercises to do. What was very helpful for me was I went to a physio once; a couple of weeks postop. She was an expert in breast surgeries and pin pointed the 3-4 exercises that would be most helpful for me to do three times a day to get range of motion necessary for radiation. As far as appearance my tumour was the outer aspect of the left breast. There is some discoloration from radiation and it is slightly smaller now but I can still wear the same bras as before. The incision is in the crease of arm, about 4 inches long and can now barely see it. The drain is very important for most people as it drains away the excess fluid from the surgery site. They will show you how to strip the tubing (or show your support person) and I did this at least 2-3 times a day or more often if you are having to empty it more often. This is to keep it from plugging off. Everyone heals differently as well but usually after the drain comes out in 5-7 days you notice quite a difference. Then it is gradual exercises for the next 4-6 weeks. I am still doing exercises to keep range of motion and numb under the arm and the back of the upper arm. As far as to prepare. I had finished chemo before surgery and did not want to deal with any more nausea. Zero tolerance and made a fuss about it with the anesthetist. They gave me about 4 different kinds of meds before and during surgery. I had no nausea and woke up in recovery and ate a light meal no problem. This was very important to me because I had already lost weight with the chemo and I feel miserable if I cannot eat, stomach gets so acidy etc. I will see if I can find some articles about lumpectomies and I am sure there are some in the resources section as well. It would be good if you have a partner or support person stay with you for several days, make sure there are lots of groceries in the house and food prepared so you can take it easy. They will give you written post op directions and if they do not, ask for them. Also some hospitals provide a bra but I took a soft cotton non wire sports bra that fit me quite well and had room to loosen the back notches. They said you need it to support the breast and it also helps with any swelling. If you have a couple of them it is best as I wore them throughout radiation etc as well. This is a very brief over view of my experience and I am sure others will jump in here with tips. Your experience will be unique for you and I would also ask your surgeon or his nurse for some pre operative information; if they have not given that to you yet. Over the next few days if you think of a question write it down and then call them with your list of questions. Every question, no matter how small, is important. The operated breast is slightly perkier now and there is a slight firmness where the lumpectomy is. Right away post op it felt like there was a firm lump there and they told me it was just fluid etc filling in the space. I also could not sleep on my left side for at least 6-8 weeks. I hope this helps Diane. I want to wish you all the best and please any questions ask away. Please let us know how things go along the way. Chemo is a big topic. What kind are you having? There is lots of info posted about this. Let us know if you can find it. I know there will be others that start posting links for you. It can be quite overwhelming so gather your strength and knowledge about the surgery then take it from there. Maybe Steve will post about BRCA testing.
Donna
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Dx 03/09 TN, Stg 2a, gr 3, 1.7 cm Taxol X 12, FAC X 4, segmental mastec Sept 10/09,
1 pos/29, from Canada, Treatment MDAnderson, rads X 30 started Oct 29/09. Zometa start Nov 24/09
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Posted: Jan 06 2010 at 12:08pm |
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I'd be happy to speak with you. I had a lumpectomy 1/30/09 - with clean margins - and all lymph nodes removed from that axilla area (my sentinal node tested positive during my surgery so they got 'em all). I'll PM you my cell number if you want. There certainly were things I wish I had known, as i did NOT get post care instructions and ended up with a raging infection. One little instruction would have prevented that.
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IDC, 2.2 cm, Stage IIb,lumpectomy 1/30/09 ACx4,Tx4 36 rads 6/1/16 Local recurrence same breast, same spot 1.8cm Carb.4x every 3 wks, Taxol 12x once wk. Dbl Mast. PCR!! Reconstruction fail, NED!
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Posted: Jan 07 2010 at 12:00am |
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I had a lumpectomy many years ago. I found it to be a simple procedure. I had already had a surgical biopsy. They just needed to go clean the margins and do a node check. This was before SN so 13 nodes were removed. I had surgery in the afternoon. I was told I could go home that evening. There was NO Way I could have managed but was ready to go first thing in the morning. They had recut the original surgery site. A "C" shaped scar on the outer side of my breast. There is slight puckering at the scar, which the surgeon said he could fix [ a year later] but I didn't find it worth my time. There isn't much of a scar, now. One would really have to look. I did apply vit. E oil and lavender oil. I was covered in a gauze contraption that supported all nicely. Personally, I couldn't deal with the drains but my dear aunt didn't have a problem with them. I had the drains removed 5 days later. That felt so much better. I sent my aunt home. I went to work 8 days after surgery. I took my pain meds [vicodin] regularly at first. A body not in pain heals faster. Appearance of the breast probably has many variables. Being a c-d breast size the surgery did change much other than my nipple now veers to the right a bit.
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dx Feb. 2001. Age 44 Lumpectomy
2cm. no nodes stage 1 grade 3
4 rnds AC, 35 rads
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Posted: Jan 07 2010 at 9:40am |
Kirby, this is so very helpful. I'm hoping that I'll be able to go to my office for 2-3 hrs. 2 days later. Now I'm thinking maybe not. It is very reassuring that there's a good chance, after healing, the breast won't be horribly different. I'm a b/c cup. I was thinking that at least 1/3rd of my breast would be gone. Thank you!!!
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Posted: Jan 07 2010 at 12:43pm |
Diane66,
Even with my "can do" anything attitude, I think 2 days after surgery for work might be a bit much. I was told to take 2 weeks off, but as said, went to work 8 days later. If you have a desk job I would think going to work 4-5 day could be possible. I am a hairdresser so have to manuever quite a bit. I told myself that was good for range of motion! LOL. I worked a regular full day schedule.
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dx Feb. 2001. Age 44 Lumpectomy
2cm. no nodes stage 1 grade 3
4 rnds AC, 35 rads
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Posted: Jan 07 2010 at 9:29pm |
Donna Z had lots of good advice.
I slept in a recliner for about a week. I hurt to much when I laid down flat
It was painful but if you stay on top of your pain meds you can stay comfortable.
Make sure your pain is under control prior to leaving the hospital or the car ride home will be difficult. Bring pillows for the car ride home to support your arm.
Don't over do it. If people offer help, food, etc TAKE IT!
I was out of work for awile becasue I started chemo shortly after my lumpectomy. Everyone is different in their recovery. DOn't put any expectations on yourself. You body will let you know.
Best wishes!
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DX age 45:12/08 IDC & DCIS TNBC. 2/09:lumpectomy, 2 cm, grade 3, -nodes, stage IIa, BRCA- Chemo:Taxotere/Cytoxan x4.Double mastectomy 6/09. Zometa http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/hollisimpsongough
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Posted: Jan 08 2010 at 9:10am |
Dear HolliBeri,
You made some great suggestions I haven't gotten from others--recliner and pillow. Thank you so much. You're right I have to begin to learn to accept help. I wish you a healthy and long life.
Diane66
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Posted: Jan 08 2010 at 9:14am |
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Hi Kellyless,
I have seen from your post that all your lymph nodes were removed(if i have understand well) and wanted to ask you if you had radiotherapy in the armpit and or collarbone and breast . My mum had full removal of lymphnodes and she will start radiotherapy soon and i would like to hear and from other women what kind radiotherapy they have. How many lymph nodes were affected by cancer? Opinions from other women are welcome!
Thank you and all the best!!!!
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Posted: Jan 08 2010 at 6:40pm |
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I had a lumpectomy in October. I didn't have much pain. 5 lymph nodes were taken, so that incision was more painful than the breast. I had no drains put in. My tumor was about 1.6 cm. While that breast is a little smaller now and my nipple doesn't point straight out. I did buy bras without the underwire, because the wire went over my scar from my mammosite radiation scar. Since I had no lymph node involvement my radiation was done the internal method, 5 days-2x days. Hope this helps to hear another opinion. Peggy
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IDC 1.6 Stage 1 Grade 3 Lt Lumpectomy, mammosite radiation completed; 6 Taxotere/Cytoxan treatments-1-4 2010. Port out 6/3. Rt breast LCIS dx 8-2010. Bil Mx 9/2/2010 w/ reconstruction
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Posted: Jan 10 2010 at 11:27am |
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What is internal radiation? What were the side effects? THANKS
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Posted: Jan 10 2010 at 2:04pm |
Diane,
I had a lumpectomy in 1987. It was simple outpatient surgery and I went right home afterwards. Then two days later I had the lymph nodes removed, and spent four days in the hospital. I know it would be less than that now. I healed fine, but I had muscle spasms after the lymph surgery and didn't do my arm exercies. I ended up with a frozen shoulder...had to have physical therapy. I suppose it's all different now, and I don't know what your doc has planned for you.
As for appearance, my breast looked nearly normal after the lumpectomy. I was 39 then and a C or D cup. Sometime in the mid 90's had a biopsy in the same breast and lost more tissue. As the years went by I developed more scar tissue and the breast became very firm. Meanwhile my other breast was sagging as breasts do as we age. It seemed almost double the size of the affected breast, and I couldn't find any kind of prosthesis to match the two up properly. It was looking pretty bad by then too. The nipple was way off center and there was puckering around the scar. I'm sure a lot of this was due to the second biopsy which we will hope you won't have to have.
So, my advice is to do the arm exercises and follow doctor's orders to a T. I found sleeping on the couch was most comfortable for me. I could rest my back and arm against the back of the couch. Good luck to you.
Susan
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12/09 liver mets Taxol/Avastin
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Posted: Jan 10 2010 at 5:39pm |
Hello Diane,
I had a lumpectomy on May 18th and it was a breeze for me. My tumor was 2 cms but they took a large margin around the tumor and I had a sentiental node biopsy. The procedure was at 1:00 and I was home at 5:00. I was back to work in 48 hours. Now chemo was a different situaion. I was not able to work the last 3 months of the chemo. I am completing my 4 week of radiation and feel fantastic again. Be careful not to lift anything and follow the after care instructions from the hospital.
For me, the lumpectomy was the easiest part of this whole breast cancer ordeal.
Good luck to you.
Mary
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12 Taxol, 4 FAC, 6 weeks rads
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Posted: Jan 10 2010 at 8:17pm |
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Diane 66, here the radiation is called mammosite radiation, but I have heard it called other names. I think it is used only if the lymph nodes are all negative. A devise is inserted into the area where the tumor was removed. To me, it reminded me of a kitchen whisk with the catheters coming out, similar to a drain, about the size of a thumb. The radiation source sends seeds into each catheter one at a time. Only took about 10 minutes. It was done twice a day for 5 days. A scan was done before each tx to make sure devise was in place. The devise was inserted in the MD office. Then it was removed immediately after the last radiation tx. Coming out was much less painful than going in. I had no external skin burns or real issues. A lot of fatigue after the 3 day. Then it took about a week to get my energy back. I definitely think this was a good option for me!
Now I am a week past my first chemo tx, and I can easily tell that this will not be as easy.
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IDC 1.6 Stage 1 Grade 3 Lt Lumpectomy, mammosite radiation completed; 6 Taxotere/Cytoxan treatments-1-4 2010. Port out 6/3. Rt breast LCIS dx 8-2010. Bil Mx 9/2/2010 w/ reconstruction
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Posted: Jan 11 2010 at 3:55am |
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Dear Donna,
I have read your post and i wanted to ask you what kind of radiation treatment did you had. Did you had full surgery removal of your lymph nodes?My mum had full surgery removal of lymph nodes(7/34) and she will start radiation treatment soon.The radiation oncologist told us that the armpit must not accept radiation.Only the breast and the collarbone and that seems not right. I wanted to ask you if you received radiation in the armpit or/and collarbone.
Wishing you all the best, Tasoulla
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Posted: Jan 12 2010 at 8:37pm |
I'm going in for my lumpectomy next week on 22nd January, 2 cm diameter, Stage 1/2. I guess your op is this week. Good luck - from 4,000 miles away in Wales, I'll be thinking of you Newbie! If you want to keep in touch for a bit to see how we both get along, I'll send you my email address
Let us know how it went. And thanks to everyone else for really useful replies. I've learned a lot.
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Posted: Jan 12 2010 at 8:41pm |
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sorry - post above was directed at Diane! Thinking of you.
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Posted: Jan 13 2010 at 3:51pm |
Jenfromwales,
I hope your lumpectomy goes as smoothly as mine. I was anticipating a larger tumor than they had estimated as well as much lymph node involvement. I'm still waiting for the pathology report, but my surgeon took only one lymph node. I wish you a long, healthy and happy life.
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Posted: Jan 14 2010 at 1:42am |
I had my lumpectomy November 24th 2009 because of the location of the tumor my breast looks great. Underneath on the edge of the breast. Some discomfort but mainly from the lymph node incision. I had the radiation implant. The SAVY bracatherapy. The device is put into the pocket before it heals from the lumpectomy. It takes 5 days twice a day instead of the six weeks of external radiation after chemo. I chose it because my tumor was very close to the ribcage and therefore heart. One Dr in my home town totally disagrees with this treatment. If you do not want radiation you must choose more surgery.
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Posted: Jan 29 2010 at 10:17am |
I want the THANK everyone who has shared with me.
As I mentioned before, my lumpectomy was easier than I anticipated probably because only one sentinel node was removed. I am very, very relieved to say that it was negative and that all margins were cleared.
Yesterday I met with a medical oncologist and a radiology oncologist at Mass General Hosp. I'm not able to join any studies unfortunately. As soon as my echocardiogram is completed they will schedule chemo dose dense every two weeks for 16 weeks. I'm getting adriamycin, cyclophosamide and then Taxol.
I'm so glad the Triple Negative Foundation exists. I felt hugged by so many women.
Diane66
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