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    Posted: Sep 04 2009 at 6:40am
I saw another onc today.. same office, he looked at the remaining two nodules, and believes it is also the TN already back. they are talking about switching me to avastin, carboplatinum and taxotere.. if i choose to .. I think I would just rather throw in teh towel.. I don't want to live on chemo for the rest of my life... but I thank yyou for your support.  Autumn
DX2/99 Stg I,ER+PR+ Chemo lumpectomy - Neg nodes,rads, tamox,femara. DX4/09, Stg IIB /III, TNBC IDC, Grade III, 2.5CM, mastectomy. 4AC DD,12 wkly taxol,BRAC1&2Neg, Right Mast 11/25/09
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Dear Autumn,
You are currently in shock.  Also, you don't have the results of your biopsy yet, so you don't really know what you are dealing with.  It could be scar tissue, or something benign.  It could also be breast cancer with different receptors (and different treatment options). There is no need to make an immediate decision - you can mull it over a while, cry with your family and friends, and create space in your heart for whatever's coming.   Opting out of conventional treatment, if you decide to do that, is not the same as throwing in the towel.  You can do alternative things, like focus on bolstering your health with good food, fun, yoga or dance, and such.  If it does turn out to be cancer, you can treat it locally with radiation and/or surgery, and forgo systemic therapy.  You could do local treatment and add something systemic, but not the whole kitchen sink.  You could do something milder, like Xeloda or Xeloda and Avastin or add Zometa.  There are lots of possibilities. 

How old are you?  Do you have kids/grandkids?   What do you enjoy?  What makes life worthwhile for you?

No matter what path you take, we are here for you.

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Denise
DX 2/08@43 stg II IDC; gr2,0 nodes. Neoadj chemo, first ACx2 (fail) then CarboTaxotereX6(better). Lump, Rads done 11/08; Clodronate. False alarm queen: PetCT lung & TM marker. NED. PBM w/recon 9/10.
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Autumn:
My heart is full of love for you, my dear.  What ever choice you make, know that this forum is here for you.  Denise shared some lovely words of wisdom with you.  Please think about what she said. 
 
Sending you lots of syber hugs....
Nancy Jane
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Lumpectomy and ax node disection (38 nodes, all clean!) 8/12/08
T2 grd 3, N0, TN IDC
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ACx4,Tx12 10/08-3/09
prophylactic hyst, ooph,mast & one-step recon 3/30/09
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I've had some nasty stuff happen this week as well and I keep trying to remind myself that things could be worse, my onc could enroll me in a trial down in Brazil testing tick spit to fight cancer. (Hope you didn't miss the post on that last week or you'll wonder what in the world I'm talking about)

dx 7/08 TN 14x6.5x5.5 cm tumor

3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear
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Autumn,
I hope you will take comfort in the other answers to you post.  I have one other suggestion.  If you aren't already taking an antidepressant, it might be a good idea.  If you are like me, you are taking so many meds already, it's hard to keep them straight.  But I have found my antidepressant very helpful.  I take Pristiq.  When I was first diagnosed stage IV in Jan. I wasn't sure I wanted any tx at all...why prolong things was my attitude.  After a few weeks I changed my attitude completely.  Now I feel that I will fight for everyday that I can have.  I can't be sure that it was the Pristiq that made the difference, but it's worth a try.  People sometimes ask me how I cope so well, and I tell them I think the human mind is an amazing thing.  We seem to be able to adjust to just about any situation given enough time.  Then I tell them the medication probably helps too.
 
I hope you will give it a little time before you make your decision.  You will be in my thoughts.
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Dear Autumn,
 
My Lori would agree with you 100% as to living on chemo for the rest of her life, as she has said that"if" this beast comes back, she will never do chemo again, for if it didn't get it the first time, there is no proof that it will the second time.
 
Doing alternative treatments, such as Denise had suggested is not throwing in the towel, it is changing your lifestyle to help your body heal itself, which it can do, if given the chance.
 
Just know that no matter what you decide, that we will be here for you.
Love,
Nancy
 
 
 
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Lumpectomy due to incorrect dx of a cyst
mastectomy July 6 2007
chemo ACT all 3 every 3 weeks 6 tx Aug-Nov
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Please don't!!! Keep fighting!!! I wish we could all just meet for group hugs once a week.  Other people and family try so hard to understand but just can not.  I wish I could help you understand how important it is to keep fighting.  Love Juia
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Dear Autumn,

Please do not give up hope even if you decide to give up on conventional medication. Do not underestimate the power of positive thinking. Coupled with proper low fat diet, moderate (9 hour a week) exercise and yoga, you CAN beat this disease into remission.

Love,

Dx: Jul/09. Age: 37. Grade: High. Size: 3cm. BRCA: -ve. Lumpectomy: Aug/09. Micromet 1/9 node. Chemo Start: Sep/09. Kicked from E5103 due to Taxol reaction. Now on AC->Abraxane. Zometa (S0307).
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Julia, why is it important, if they have already told me I can't  be cured.?  Why not get it over with, instead of being sick  on chemo for the rest of my life ?  They are thinkin Avastin, Taxotere and Carboplatinum... I think that combo will make me extremely ill,  and I have to be able to work,
or we will lose the house.. if I die, there is plenty for my other half to pay off everything and be ok..
 
I know no one here knows me well...  I have been with my partner for almost 10 years,  we had our commitment ceremony Aug of 2000, where my Mom handed me to her and said it is your turn to take care of her. My mom was dieing from lung cancer. She died Dec 8th 2000.  My Partner (Jenn) is the sweetest most loving woman I have ever known...  her attitude is, your not dead yet, which I know many of us have... and that I should have.  I have a lot of friends and support, throughout the USA,  and I am blessed with those folks.
 
My partner has a 5 yr old granddaughter, (she is granddaughter to both of us),  and she is the next most important thing in my life.  And I have my dog, Autumn, a Golden Retriever who is and has been my best friend for the last 8 years. We travelled 37,000 miles 26 states together, and that has been the best time of my life. Knowing I will never be able to do that again.. is crushing..
 
I had a real hard time with the adriamyacin and cytoxin, i was doing good on the taxol and getting back to doingn things and changed my attitude to one of survival.. as I thought I could be cured.
 
I don't know how all of you do it...  but I am not able to... I am beside myself, I just don't want to wake up again.. ever...  I did write this a while back, right after I had started chemo in May..  things are much different now.. incurable changes everything..doesn't it

A Note to the Devil Called Cancer

So you think you got me this time, with a stage III, grade III, diagnosis,

Well think again - Devil, you don't have me.

I will give you a little credit, you bent me way over for a while,

My spirit laid on the ground, like the limbs of a downed tree.


For weeks, I was lost, and wanted to give up,

I spoke of nothing else, and cried at every thought.

You slapped me around for weeks on end

You continued, on my mind and spirit, your assault.


With my spirit broken, and so sick from treatment

I couldn't think of continuing, I was broken; so I thought,

But you forgot, who I am, and who my friends and family are,

They stood me up, and until I could, it was for me they fought.


Oh you almost had me, Devil, but God stepped in too.

And you are not, and never will be, a match for God and I.

You won a few rounds, you took my breast, and even my hair

Ahh, yes my spirit you rattled, but I will not give up and die.


Devil, you can have my breasts, but that is all you get,

You see, I am a Survivor, I have been, for my whole life,

I have survived the odds each time life handed me a fight

And this time I have more help, a supportive and loving wife.


You might win a few more days, here and there

As treatment takes its toll on my body, for a while

But I will emerge on the other side, stronger,
And ready to face life with a laugh and a smile.


You had me for a while, I forgot just who and what I am,

I am a Survivor on this journey --- life is for living,
You forgot that, and you forgot all of those on my side

You forgot their spirit, their love, and their nature for giving.


So we will battle for a while, but you will not win !

I have too much to still do and much more to give,

God will carry me, when I can not walk on my own,

I am a Survivor and I want to live !

Author: Jill M. Indelicato

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June 10, 2009


Two time Breast Cancer Survivor 1999 and 2009

 
DX2/99 Stg I,ER+PR+ Chemo lumpectomy - Neg nodes,rads, tamox,femara. DX4/09, Stg IIB /III, TNBC IDC, Grade III, 2.5CM, mastectomy. 4AC DD,12 wkly taxol,BRAC1&2Neg, Right Mast 11/25/09
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Autumn,

There you have it.... You have named many many reasons to put your pink boxing gloves on and fight like a girl!

Lift your pretty little head up, think about all the great memories that you & Jenn still have to make for your granddaughter. ( "I remember going to grandmas house and it always smelled so good"....."my grandma makes the best ____? " ...etc..)

We can all get down at times, but for me it was not really ever an option as I have 4 beautiful grandchildren that I choose to wear them pink boxing gloves for.

The poem you posted says so much...and from a 2 x survivor!!! That in itself is an abundance of inspiration & hope.   

We are all here for you....please don't hesitate to send a PM if you ever would like to talk one on one. I will be happy to give you my # or would be happy to call you. ( Gotta love unlimited minute plans!!)

Next time I see you, I want to see that pretty little chin lifted up :)   It's so becoming of you !!

Much love & big huggzzzz

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DX 3-09 IDC 3.9cm

TN-Stage2-Grade3

Taxolx9, FACx2, halted TX,

Lump.8-25-09..rads x 8wks.

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You wrote a magnificent poem - now keep reading it over and over again.  Please try an antidepressant and get that fight back!  You can do this!  While I respect what you are feeling and saying, probably the exact thing I would say and feel, we are here to hold you up.  It's another fu$king "bump" in the road - a boulder perhaps, but it is surmountable.  Don't give up!!!!
 
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4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33
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Autumn, When I was feeling like you are, my daughter asked me if I wouldn't like to live to see my grandson graduate high school.  You have your little granddaughter.  Think of another birthday or starting first grade or more hugs and kisses.  Tomorrow my husband and I are driving two hours to see our grandson run in a cross country race.  The sky will be blue, the air will be soft and warm, and I will be alive to enjoy it.  I won't be thinking about what lies in the future.  I have truly learned to live for the day.  You can get there too. 
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12/09 liver mets Taxol/Avastin
4/10 liver mets
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parp failed
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Dear Autumn,
 
Actually, anyone dx with cancer can never be cured, as there is no cure, or if there is, they sure as hell aren't telling anyone. Our grandson was dx with leukemia at age 3 in 1991, and has been in remission ever since. Cured? NO! The doctors say that cancer can come back, but it will probably be another type of cancer. I am just grateful that he remembers very little of the 3 years that he had treatments.
 
As I told you, Lori will never do chemo again, as she feels just as you do about living that way. Her faith is very strong and it is quite evident by your poem that you have a strong faith also. You have to do what is right for you at this time, and I will not tell you to do more chemo, when you have been down that road twice already.
 
You are so fortunate to have Jenn as a loving caring and devoted partner, and I just know that she will be there for you whatever your decision may be. Let it be your decision Jill.
Love,
Nancy
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Lumpectomy due to incorrect dx of a cyst
mastectomy July 6 2007
chemo ACT all 3 every 3 weeks 6 tx Aug-Nov
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I'm so sorry you're in this situation. I hope the oncs prove to be wrong. If they're right, I wish you all the best in finding the right way to manage your condition, whether that includes traditional meds, alternative, lifestyle changes, or nothing at all.

Hugs, Julia
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4 rounds AC, 4 weekly Paclitaxol.
Mastectomy & axillary clearance 8/09. No nodal involvement. 25 doses rads.
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Dear Autumn,
 
Your best friend Autumn would never, ever give up on you....do not give up on yourself.
 
Draw from our replenished resources of hope and strength.  Please know you are a member of this family of sisters and brothers who feel and understand what this disease does to the human spirit. 
 
There is no certain prescribed way 'we get through this'...some days it is putting one foot in front of the other, some days we falter and someone catches us, some days we reach out and someone is there to hold our hand...but I know one constant is your life is Autumn....uncondition love, strength, comfort and devotion. 
 
In my darkest moments, when I was too scared to move, when husband, children, family and friends in my world were not even aware of the despair inside me - my Paco knew and never left me.  Autumn will help your through this.
 
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Connie
 
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Autumn, I don't blame you for feeling this way. 

There is a beautiful songbird outside my window as I type this.  We don't have a great variety of songbirds in the area where I live, so every single one is a jewel to me.  She looks like she is stressed--it has been a hard summer.  No good sources of food, wildfires everywhere and smoke, triple digit heat and smog, predators of all sorts, well fed house cats, ravens, raptors, raccoons, avian flu.  All she wants is to survive and thrive with her family.

She is you. 

I am going to go outside and refresh the bird bath, put special mix outside in a safe place to nourish her and wish her godspeed from my heart.

Recipe for special mix:

This special recipe is a menu list of evidence based anti cancer protocols enumerated at this link: 

http://nosurrenderbreastcancer.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3639606&trail=20#2

READ IT.  In it, you will see a glimpse of hope.  It will empower you to take your health in your own hands, to feel that part of the remedy is not necessarily only in a syringe, but maybe in a multi faceted approach.

Also, read Constantine's analysis of the state of the art in chemo options; there is much for you to ponder.  Like Denise said, there are milder chemo options to consider, if you even need them; and there is an ongoing PARP trial that may be a good fit for you.   

This is a stupid battle.  All you want to do is banish this nasty cell and live your life.  This is what we all want and we want it for each other.  It is not contingent on your attitude or your positivity.  If you feel completely negative about all this insanity than you are more reasonable than you realize.  Be pissed.  Be negative.  Give up, even.  Regroup, then come back swinging.
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Sorry .  I'm out.

Edited by BrendaF - Sep 05 2009 at 8:36am
Dx 2005 2 cm, 5/12 nodes, A/C + T, 28 rads.
Dx mets 12/07 mediastinal and supraclavicular nodes, carbo + taxotere X 6.
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I did not feel from reading Autumn's posts that she has "decided" to just give up.  Re-read them and perhaps you will see for yourself.  I can only speak for myself; however, I feel the other posters also felt after reading her post that is that she is at a crossroads and could also be very depressed, which would be a very normal reaction to where she is right now.  Nobody has "criticized" her in any post and I would like you to show me just where that has happened.  We are extending our hands to someone in need. I do not feel that, with the beautiful poem she has written and felt important enough to reprint in her post, that she has made a definite choice in what her desires are.  I see someone that has struggled very hard to fight this beast, only to have heard more bad news - the plight of any one of us.  To come down on people that are extending support to someone that is very obviously hurting is totally unnecessary.  It most certainly is Autumn's perogative to decide which direction she wishes to take, and we would all certainly respect her choice; however, I don't believe anyone of us has read that from her post. 
 
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Linda, your words could not express more accurately where I am...  I don't know what to do... but I need you, all of you...  I need your words.. to get me through until I can stand on my own feet again.  I will wait until the PET and CT scan, before I make a decision either way. I loved my life until this cancer came up... this time.. I was living a full life after the first diagnosis and I fought that and one in  1999. This is much different, I am also afraid that the new chemos will make me too sick to have a life... That I could use some info on as well.  Avastin, Carboplatinum, Taxotere.. those were what they mentioned Friday...  all three together.. I can't imagine having a life and being able to do things on all of that the, AC almost killed me, kept me in bed for 4 weeks.. not sick,, just the chemo side affects themselves..I was nausea for 8 weeks, and not one anti nausea drug worked.. I don't want to go back to that either..
 
People (friends) keep telling me to go to another Dr or another place, I don't have the energy to set everything up, I don't have the energy to get all my records together,  everyone else is so far away.. I have three different onc in this office that I am using. This last one is very big into the foods you eat for fighting cancer, and spices and diet...  he is also open to alternative stuffs... not sure how much yet and I am not sure how much I am open to alternatives yet. 
 
And then there is the attitude, what difference does it make now, I might as well eat rib steaks....  and all the junk I want... anyway, I thank you...  all... Autumn
DX2/99 Stg I,ER+PR+ Chemo lumpectomy - Neg nodes,rads, tamox,femara. DX4/09, Stg IIB /III, TNBC IDC, Grade III, 2.5CM, mastectomy. 4AC DD,12 wkly taxol,BRAC1&2Neg, Right Mast 11/25/09
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Autumn
I have been fighting TNBC for 2 years, and just had my 10th surgery. (over 25 in my lifetime) Thank God, it was only scar tissue and not cancer.

However I am still sweating out my next CT/PET/Bone scans,in 2 months. I have been having them every 6 months. This will be my 6th (5th?) not sure - think 6th - set of scans.

My last scans showed lesions in my kidney, thryroid, sinus, mastoid, an area behind one eye, spinal activity, and a number of mini-strokes. My Onc in not concerned but my eye Dr is - he fears the BC may have spread to one of my eyes. (I am blind in one eye, and the area he's concerned with - of course - is my sighted y=eye)

I will be undergoin my 3rd "procedure" on my spine Sept 11th. The previous procedures have been only to inject pain killers into my spine, first cortizone, second I forgot what he used, this time the surgeon will be burning my nerve endings to help with pain.

My life over the last 2 years has not been pleasant, but then it's not for anyone fighting cancer (My son has been fighting cancer also for the last 3 years). Lost my hair with chemo, just as it started to grow, lost it again with more chemo. It has taken 18 months to have my 2 inches of kicky unmanagable mess called hair, but at least I now have something.

I have a dear friend that has been fighting BC for about 6 years. She actually developed it while pregnant but her OB/GYN continued to tell her it was nothing. She went through all the same crap we all have then thought she was cancer free.

She had her 2 year scans and was packed and on her way to a family vacation. Her family in the car outside the Onc's office, She ran in for something and was told her cancer was back and now in her bones and liver. She had only a 5% survival chance, and then only for a very short time.

That was 5 years ago. She is now NED. She has been on WEEKLY chemo infusments for years. About a year ago she had to stop for about 3 months as it appeared to be effecting her heart. She's been back on the weekly infusments for over a year, still NED. If she wants to travel somewhere she can skip an occassional week or take a stronger dose and skip three weeks.

She just accepts the fact she gives 1 hour ievery Wednesday morning, to live and see her children grow up. She has been a hero to me. She just never fave up, even when told she had 5 growths in her liver.

PLEASE Autumn, don't give up. Not all chemo is like what we went thru the first time. I wanted to give up a number of times, but I haven't. Please, honey - fight - fight not only for your self, your family - but for all of us.

Giant hug and lot's of love, Jean
IBC/TN 6/07 Lymph, Chemo, Mast w/rec, chemo, 2 infect surg, exchg (2x) redo rec (2x) 4 new tumors esophagus, colon, chest, mouth, (10/11- 5th SUV7)"Activity" in spine hip
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