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    Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 6:36am
It seems to me, with the relatively small population of triple negs, that we could help the researchers to identify similarities--through surveys of each other to find out what similarities we have. In the morning Memphis newspaper, there is an article about triple neg being most common in African American women, and in non-breast feeding women. To the website -- is there a research group that we could feed info to as to our lifestyles, our diet, etc.? It seems that everytime I read about triple negative that I don't "fall into" that set of characteristics. Surely there is something strange that we have in common, though. For example, is there a survey that we could fill out to send to researchers? I've heard of the sister study for the more common bc.
Anything similar to that out there for triple negs?

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Ssclark8267, what you say makes sense, since we are such a small group why couldn't there be some sort of survey or main link to pull together similarities??  Or maybe there are more differences than we realize, more genes to find, more subsets.  Money maybe or because we are such a small group they concentrate on the larger group?
I don't "fall into" the usual characterisics either.  I was 56 and 60 when dx and am caucasian.  I do have the BRCA 1 gene though.
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I agree with all this.  I have been trying to find out what other common denominators or differences we all have and even approached a pharmaceutical rep when I noticed him in the lobby of my hospital. 
He said that at the beginning of June there was a major conference called
ASCO  ( which is held every year )  and that I should have a look at what was discussed at that meeting.  
That's as far as I could get with that ( for now anyway )
 
Please have a look at   ASCO.     What do you all think about what was discussed ??


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I have: "Glycogen Rich Clear Cell Carcinoma of the Breast." Does Anyone else have this Rare form of breast cancer ???
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Hi, I am the executive director of the TNBC Foundation.  It is funny that you should bring this up...one of things that the TNBC Foundations is working on is to sponsor a symposium dedicated to triple negative breast cancer.  It is our understanding that there has never been a forum for all of the professionals working on TNBC (doctors, scientists etc) to come together to share their research, data and ideas.  We believe that such a forum is a great jumping off point for finding a cure.  We are working on setting something up.  As soon as we have more details, we will share them on the site.  This chat room will be an excellent way for us to reach out to triple negs to get data once we know what kind of information is needed.  We will definitely be in touch.....
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Hi All....

Grade 3, Stage 2 (4.5 cm) no positive nodes.  Diagnosed 8/02/05 at 43, six rounds of TAC. 

I was having very strange things occur up to two years before I was diagnosed and had my hormones measured thinking I was going into early menopause.   Did anyone else?
 
I am so glad this site has appeared.  I would certainley be willing to answer questions and/or help facilitate research.
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Hi Trish and welcome! 
 
The first time I was diagnosed I don't remember anything different about how I was feeling but beginning last Fall I had this little bird in my head that kept saying it's coming back and it did in February.  Just had a sense of it I guess.
 
 
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I wish there was a way to spread the word to other triple negs out there about this website and discussion.  We do seem to be a rare breed, but ssclark, you're right: the more we can compare notes with each other to find a common link or denominator, the closer science can come to finding a cure. 

I just received an e-mail update from breastcancer.org that related to the recent ASCO annual meeting.  Here is an excerpt of the e-mail:

From June 1-5, advances in breast cancer research were reported at the
annual meeting of the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) in
Chicago. breastcancer.org Professional Advisory Board members Generosa
Grana, M.D., F.A.C.P. and Nicholas Robert, M.D. were there to hear the
latest news.

On Wednesday, June 20, Dr. Grana and Dr. Robert answered your questions about the latest news on breast cancer screening, treatment, side effects, and where breast cancer research might be headed in the next few years. If you missed our Online Conference, you can read the transcript here:
http://www.breastcancer.org/ct_0706.html

Here are just a few of the questions our experts answered:

"I was diagnosed in January with triple-negative breast cancer. I don't
often read promising news regarding treatment of this type of cancer
and would like to hear whether there's anything hopeful on the horizon
for us triple-negative types. Also, I did read that carboplatin
/cisplatin seems to show better survival results for triple-negative breast
cancer; could the expert guests elaborate on that subject?"

Dr. Robert: The category triple negative should be thought of as a group of tumors that are negative with our standard tests, but probably positive for other variables we don't know yet how to measure. There is work being done to understand the biology of so-called triple-negative tumors. In the meantime, there was a study showing the patients that are triple negative benefit from a regimen that contains weekly Taxol. There is also some work that is very preliminary, evaluating cisplatin (brand name: Platinol) and carboplatin (brand name: Paraplatin) in triple-negative breast cancer. At this point, it's too early to see whether these two agents will have a role in this cancer category.
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I agree with you.  
 
One of the things I notice is that most triple negatives seem to have Invasive Ductile, or Medullary cancer.  
That's why I am asking everyone to Please post what kind of breast cancer they have other than it being triple negative.
 
What makes me curious is that no one has yet to mention if theirs is Lobular ?  
 
If  Lobulars are seldom, if at all,  triple negative,  then that would mean that they are all or have one or two positives.
 
Therefore,  what is it that is in their cancer that is giving them the positives that we all could use ???
 
This is why I am trying to emphasize that I think the name of the breast cancer is also Important.   ( ductile, lobular, medullary, clear cell, adenocarcinoma  etc. )
 
 
 
I have: "Glycogen Rich Clear Cell Carcinoma of the Breast." Does Anyone else have this Rare form of breast cancer ???
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Hi,
 
Glad you are here.  
 
Is the  TNBC Foundation also studying or bringing attention to the pathology of the cancer ???   
In other words is Only the hormonal and her2neu status being studied or - is the type of breast cancer ( ductile, lobular, medullary, clear cell, adenocarcinoma  etc. )   studied as well- pertaining to triple negatives ??
 
It seems to me that the pathology is extremely important because that is what determines the aggressiveness of the cancer among other things.
 
My breast cancer if called: "glycogen rich clear cell carcinoma of the breast" And it just happens to be triple negative.  Because of the particular pathology of my cancer,  the chances of surviving are quite slim.
 
Originally posted by tnbcexecdirect tnbcexecdirect wrote:

Hi, I am the executive director of the TNBC Foundation.  It is funny that you should bring this up...one of things that the TNBC Foundations is working on is to sponsor a symposium dedicated to triple negative breast cancer.  It is our understanding that there has never been a forum for all of the professionals working on TNBC (doctors, scientists etc) to come together to share their research, data and ideas.  We believe that such a forum is a great jumping off point for finding a cure.  We are working on setting something up.  As soon as we have more details, we will share them on the site.  This chat room will be an excellent way for us to reach out to triple negs to get data once we know what kind of information is needed.  We will definitely be in touch.....


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Why wait on someone else to making a survey.

After reading the post it sounds like many of you know a lot of questions to put in a survey sooo lets have a place to post questions we think are important and then a secure place to post our information until we find researchers to follow up on it. If we each had confidential numbers we could review the data ourselves.  We can do this!Smile

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I'd go along with starting our own survey, but if one is already out there , then we wouldn't have to COMPLETELY reinvent the wheel.
 
Surely there are "points" that researchers know are important to address.
If we knew those points, I think we might be better served to be sure to include them in the survey.
 
And we might have "gut" feelings about what might be contributing to our own cancers that we could input about as well. 
Any thought about how we would "centralize" the capture of questions and answers?
 
On a different note, does anyone know what the function or importance of Her2 is? 
 
My triple neg cancer is invasive ductile. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Hi,
 
I agree with you and would like to know exactly what surveys researchers are focusing on so that we can add Our imput if something is left out.
Anyone see the movie   "Lorenzo's Oil?"    It's about how the parents of a severely ill boy discover the cure and not the doctors.
 
About  her2neu ..............  this is just some info I looked up for you
 
" Her2NEU positive tumors are more aggressive and thus have worse prognosis. These tumors usually respond to a targeted medication called Herceptin (trastuzumab) in addition to other chemotherapy agents."
 
As far as I was told- it was a good thing to have this protein because then a person with it could be given a very good drug called Herceptin.
I'm not quite certain if there is a difference between having the her2neu protein,  and reading about what is called  "her2neu tumors.
Are the her2neu Protein  .......  and  .........  
her2neu  tumors one and the same ??? 
 
 
Originally posted by Ssclark8267 Ssclark8267 wrote:

I'd go along with starting our own survey, but if one is already out there , then we wouldn't have to COMPLETELY reinvent the wheel.
 
Surely there are "points" that researchers know are important to address.
If we knew those points, I think we might be better served to be sure to include them in the survey.
 
And we might have "gut" feelings about what might be contributing to our own cancers that we could input about as well. 
Any thought about how we would "centralize" the capture of questions and answers?
 
On a different note, does anyone know what the function or importance of Her2 is? 
 
My triple neg cancer is invasive ductile. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I have: "Glycogen Rich Clear Cell Carcinoma of the Breast." Does Anyone else have this Rare form of breast cancer ???
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I have also heard that about Her2 positives.  But I think Herceptin only works for ER/PR positives.  I have a friend who had ER/PR + and Her2 positive. (I wonder why they don't call that triple positive) Her tumor was extremely aggressive, and she took Herceptin for a year after her initial treatments.  Herceptin is reportedly responsible for reducing the likelihood of recurrence by 50%.  (That's amazingly good!)
 
I'm completely dim on her2's function & importance, though. 
I understand about the hormones a little, but not about whatever Her2 is.
 
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According to my Susan Love book the definition of Her-2/neu is:  an oncogene that, when overexpressed, leads to more cell growth.
 
 
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"then we wouldn't have to COMPLETELY reinvent the wheel. "

 
 
 
No but it could possibly be a good starting point for us, a survey from our group which is growing I'm happy to see.  Maybe at some point the admin could do a survey of sorts as a sticky note or arrange for our board to have a section or place to do something like this, or set up the board so we could do polls?  Even gathering info from our board will tell us things and should we learn of a survey somewhere then we can always go from there.  How can we do too much at this point?  I say we are way behind!
The wonderful website owners have created this site and have wonderful goals in mind, they've given us this board, we are finally getting somewhere.  Let's use it!
 
It is such a quagmire, at first they say we are basal, a subset and now articles are suggesting there could be alot of different "us" in this subset so it just looks like there is loads and loads of work to be done!
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Hi,
 
trip gives a good description of what her2neu is  ( an oncogene )
This would then mean -  it is a gene that can cause cancerous cells.
The key, once again, lies in the specific type of cancer the person has which would determine the aggressiveness of the cancerous tumor.
Her2 is Only the gene that causes cells to become cancerous -  but what specific type of cancer does your friend have ??
 
I'm wondering about this -  if your friend has all positives -  then why wouldn't she be given drugs like tamoxifen, arimidex, or femara for example ??
 
My oncologist told me that if I had the her2neu Protein,  then I could be given Herceptin even though  the  ER  and PR  were negative.
I am now interpreting this to mean,  that while the  Her2neu is a gene that can create cancer -  at least there is the drug Herceptin  rather than if one does Not have the Her2neu factor and is also  ER and PR  negative where Nothing is given as an inhibitor.
This Now makes sense as to why he said that having the her2neu protein would have worked in my favor because then I could be given Herceptin as a cancer inhibitor.  
Isn't that ironic ?   Imagine That - having this  her2neu gene or protein 
( while it is a gene that causes mutations in the cells )  is a good thing because at Least Something can be given to work as an inhibitor. ( Herceptin )
If it inhibits the Her2neu from reproducing cancerous cells -  then it would also inhibit cancer cells that do not have anything to do with that gene.
 
I don't know what the researchers are studying -  but I think they should be hanging out on here. 
 
 
Originally posted by Ssclark8267 Ssclark8267 wrote:

I have also heard that about Her2 positives.  But I think Herceptin only works for ER/PR positives.  I have a friend who had ER/PR + and Her2 positive. (I wonder why they don't call that triple positive) Her tumor was extremely aggressive, and she took Herceptin for a year after her initial treatments.  Herceptin is reportedly responsible for reducing the likelihood of recurrence by 50%.  (That's amazingly good!)
 
I'm completely dim on her2's function & importance, though. 
I understand about the hormones a little, but not about whatever Her2 is.
 
I have: "Glycogen Rich Clear Cell Carcinoma of the Breast." Does Anyone else have this Rare form of breast cancer ???
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Sorry for my complete lack of understanding on this --
 
is Her2/neu a gene or a protein? 
is Her2/neu what you want to have, rather than positive or negative?
 
I'm assuming Her2/neu is "neutral" on the status of the gene or protein.  But how can you be neutral on a gene? Don't you either have the gene, or not?
 
Back to the survey idea--
 
Does the TNBC exec board have a way (or would they be willing) to pull together the data that we put into these emails? 
 
For example, if we send demographic data to this website, could they assimilate it centrally, and then, (just an idea for us to build on)-- send the compilation out once a week so that we can all see the data.?
 
Or is there a better way to accomplish that?  It's easy to think of questions that we can ask each other.  But lining them up by person and by answer needs to be handled centrally (at least the way I'm thinking).
 
Let's say (for simplicity) that we found that ALL of us are blood type A negative, and we all drank Bacardi rum every night, and that we all live near  water treatment plants.  We need a way to be able to SEE that in one place (like on a matrix).    
 
Any ideas?
 
 
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Her2-neu

 
The gene that makes the human epidermal growth factor receptor2.
The protein produced is her2-neu antigen, which is involved in the growth of some cancer cells.
This info I found on the bco website.
 
 
 
 
 
Also this information may be helpful to you,
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My cancer was dx in 05.  I had IDC, grade 3, stage 2b and the surgeon told me it is the Basaloid phenotype.
I had lumpectomy, dose dense ACT, 33 rads.  I was hospitalized with neutropenic fever after first week of chemo and my immune system has not come back to normal yet.
I have now been dx with cholesteatoma, benign growth in middle ear, caused by repeated ear infections.  I have surgery sch for end of Aug.
I have done acupuncture and it raised my WBC up quite a bit, but still not normal.  I will need neupogen to have the surgery done.
Thank god I have had no cancer recurrence!  Everytime I have a pet/ct something new shows up...last time an area on base of tongue.  ENT says that need to be followed, but MRI neg.
Thanks for this website!I would love to see a trip neg conference done.
HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO EVERYONE!!! WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS AND I BELIEVE THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS...(send this website to all you know with trip neg)
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Hi Marilyn from Miami, yes we will get through this and this is a wonderful starting point, thank heavens for this foundation!
 
It really makes a difference to be able to discuss our situation w/others who carry the triple neg, have the understanding, frustrations at nothing much being done, support each other, create a voice of one and hopefully one day a loud voice.
 
I am so passionate about this since I feel our group is so neglected.  Myself and my daughter are triple negs and I'm a tiger on this one.Smile
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