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    Posted: Mar 01 2016 at 6:03pm
Hello,
Unfortunately, I did not have a PCR after neoadjuvant chemo. At time of surgery, I had a TRB of 2, T2N0M0), BRCA -.  My oncologist and I discussed the recent Xeloda study for non-PCRs, and the possibility of adjuvant Xeloda.  I know that there have been some posts about the study on this forum, and that others may be considering this and/or have started.  If you have started, have you had any luck getting your insurance company on board with covering Xeloda? 
PS - I already did Carbo/Taxol and DD A/C during neoadjuvant, so Carbo isn't an option.  

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you can use the search up at top right, here's previous posts hope helps

http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20160301230614&KW=Xeloda
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Hello R152410!

I'm so sorry to see that you are joining me in the non-pCR group.  I know that less than 1/2 of TNBC women end up with a pCR, but somehow it sure can feel a little lonely in this residual cancer group.

Actually, I'm supposed to start capecitabine (Xeloda) next Monday, March 7th.  I foolishy assumed there would be no problem with insurance, we are lucky to have a pretty great plan.  I just checked in with the nurse who was working on the authorization, and she said to sit tight, my insurance denied the prior authorization, so they'd be working on a peer to peer (doctor to doctor) approval.  I don't know what that means, I just took that language verbatim from the email she sent me.  Does anyone know if that means slim chances of approval?  I guess I'll know in the next couple of days.  

It's such a bummer if it gets denied!  The good news is that this drug is now generic and an older drug, so I think it is not astronomically expensive.  So if I had to pay for it myself, I guess that would just have to happen, I feel strongly about taking more treatment.  But that would make this an EVEN tougher pill to swallow ;-).

Oh good!  I just now got an email from the nurse.  She said not to worry, they see this often, she's not too worried yet.  I'll pop back here with an update when I know what happens with the insurance.

So for anyone following my tale, I had to kind of fight to convince my oncologist that I should continue with capecitabine.  I am RCB2, and very worried about recurrence (my lymph nodes were always clear, but I did have lymphovascular invasion).  So I was thrilled when my oncologist got onboard with this plan last week.  BUT, since the grass is always greener, I admit I have my eye on a different treatment, ha ha ha. But I have been reading about a study in metastatic TNBC women, that showed capecitabine vs. eribulin, and the eribulin was clearly more effective.  I don't have the medical background to know if there's any reason to think that metastatic TNBC cells would behave differently from not-yet-metastatic TNBC cells.  But it seems logical to me that eribulin would be better.  However, I'm probably not even going to bring this up to my oncologist because:
1.  I think the eribulin has not been tested in non-metastatic TNBC women, and so there's no "evidence" that it would work, so I really really think he would never approve it (and I guess it makes it even more unlikely that insurance would approve it), and 
2.  I better quit while I'm ahead.

But I think it's going to nag me to know that there might be a better option.  Oh well!!

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Dx April 2015 IDC TN 2.2 cm, Grade 3, Chemo started May 2015: Taxol/Carbo then AC, Lx with SNB Nov 2015, 33 Rad Dec 2015-Feb 2016. 6 months Capecitabine starting March 2016
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Hi Tulips!  Thanks for your reply.  It is a bit lonely.  I was so hopeful and positive that I would be one of those who had a PCR! I am RCB2 as well.  No nodes, but, not very much of a response to neoadjuvant.  I know that my insurance will likely ask for a review as well, so please let me know how it goes.   They have been generally good with everything thus far.  But, I think that I'll be one of the first who will be asking to take Xeloda to prevent recurrence based on that study.  I will ask my oncologist about eribulin as well - she's pretty open to considering different approaches, and brought up the xeloda study first.   She might have some thoughts on eribulin, and if she does, I'll follow up with you.  I'm still finishing up rads, so won't be starting anything else for another 4-5 weeks.   
Good luck and I hope that your insurance approval goes smoothly!    
 

     


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Hi all,
I'm going to follow this thread too. I too am stage II and my response to chemo was given a score of 2 similar to yours. It softened the tumor and pulled it off the chest wall, but it didn't really shrink at all. The tumor they pulled out was 3.2. I did not have carbo...just ACT. I'm going to be starting a trial doing concurrent rads and cisplatin te last week of March, but obviously since the tumor is now out we will never know how effective it is. My MO originally told me that she wanted to do xeloda after the trial, but she presented my case to the tumor board at the hospital and the Drs agreed that the study didn't have robust enough findings to warrant the toxicity. So we are no longer pursuing xeloda. So I guess after the trial I cross my fingers and pray it doesn't return? Seems like such a gamble. She told me that my recurrence risk is 30-35%. Did your Drs tell you something similar? All of my nodes were clear.

I am pursuing genomic testing outside of my hospital on the tumor (they only do this for metastatic patients currently because of insurance reasons). I'm working through foundation one in Boston. Have any of you had this sort of testing done?

This can be a lonely group so let's keep each other updated often🙂
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Hello! I'll definitely keep you posted.
As for the recurrence rate, yes, my doctor said 30%.
Have you looked into any vaccine trials?   There is a very promising one at the Mayo clinic that will be recruiting soon (possibly).   There is also a Neuvax/Herceptin Phase 2 trial recruiting for low expressing HER 2 TNBC folks. It has a number of locations. If you are HER 2 +1, it'a a potential option.
Good luck with your next phase! I'll be sending good thoughts to you and Tulips. Also thank you for the info on the genome testing. I'm going to look into that.
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I went to the panel discussion in NYC last night that was hosted by TNBC Foundation & Living Beyond Breast Cancer.  Dr. Tiffany Traina from Sloan Kettering was on the panel.  She was really great, answered so many questions.  (The overall meeting was really wonderful--thank you TNBC Foundation!).  Anyway, she brought up the capecitabine study (capecitabine is the generic name, xeloda is the brand name, but I think now that it is off-patent, most people call it capecitabine, right?), and seemed to be pretty in favor of pursuing that for people with residual TNBC.  She acknowledged that it will be good to get more studies to confirm it, and that the evidence isn't 100% solid (not her words, I'm paraphrasing), but that it's compelling and a very good option for people who look like they need more treatment after surgery, since it's the first thing proven in a study to help.  Anyway, since I'm starting capecitabine on Monday, I have to say I felt really relieved the way she spoke about it, that I'm doing the right thing for me.  Clearly this is something that not all oncologists agree on right now, but I felt better hearing from her, since I understand she is a very top TNBC doctor.

I just got the GREAT news that my insurance IS approving this medicine.  It was a hairy week--definitely extra work had to happen on the part of my doctor's office to make a case for it, which I really appreciate.

AG....glad that you are getting extra treatment in the form of cisplatin.  I think we will all feel better knowing that we are doing some version  of "more".  I'd also be curious to hear about your FoundationOne experience.  I think it's fascinating and can't hurt/might help.  My doctor is not really into it....He has used it in the past, and none of his patients ever had anything actionable come out of it.  I haven't quite gotten it out of my mind yet, though.  But one battle at a time--I really had to encourage him to get the capecitabine, so for today I'm happy!

R15, good luck with rads!  And don't be too worried about it...I barely had any skin effects, and I wasted a lot of energy being worried that I would.  Turned out to be very easy for me (obviously there's a range, but no reason to worry in advance!).  My RO wanted me to wait a month after my last day before starting capecitabine (maybe concerned about radiation recall?  or low blood counts??).

As far as recurrence rate, I think this is the million dollar question.  My oncologist ended up telling me he thinks my odds of recurrence could be just 20%, but frankly there is nothing in the literature that suggests such a sunny prognosis for my case.  I have to think he sort of sugarcoated it because he didn't really believe there's any useful additional treatment, so why get me worried unnecessarily.  Stop reading if you don't like dreary things.  I'm about to say some other numbers, but really, stop reading if you don't want to see my other thoughts.  I'm just writing some filler words here in case you don't want to see what else I have to say.  But from what I've read, I kind of believe my odds are closer to fifty percent.  I'm only 45 years old, so when I read 2 or 3 year survival rates, I'm not overly impressed.  I'd like to actually be a grandmother someday, so I'm more interested in surviving 20-50 more years! The few charts that I found that went at least 7 years in the future showed about a forty-five percent survival rate for TNBC residual cancer at 7 years, vs ninety percent survival for TNBC pCR patients.  Being RCB2, I think this overall number should be pretty representative of my situation.  Especially since I had LVI, which I don't think many node-negative people do, so I'm sure your prognosis is better than mine, so I hope I haven't scared anyone. Anyway, those odds are scary enough to me to definitely warrant additional treatment for sure.  Although I'm an optimist, and I still think I'd be in the good forty five percent ;-).  But I'm happy to see more treatments get developed for all of us TNBC ladies.  Now that I have a plan, I intend to not focus on statistics.  They were useful to me in making my decision to fight for more treatment, but now that the plan is in place, I plan to put on my rose-colored glasses again ;-).
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Hi. I just got my ultra sound results.i finished chemo on monday.ther is still some tumor. They said it has shrunk down very small but is still there. I have surgery on tuesday. Is there a blood test they can do to see if there is residual cancer cells. Like there is for prostate cancer? I know that test isnt super accurate but it can show that they need to screen more often ect.
My onc wasnt very clear about what screening i should have. Im having a double mastectomy. I am BRCA positive. I know tnbc comes back in other parts of the body. What kind of screening for recurrence should I get?
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Rom: Even though there is still some tumor, it may be a pCR, if it's all "necrosis" I think is the word for dead tissue, but it's impossible to know until the final pathologist's report.
 
My wife's oncologist told her they send- out the tissue, as it's much more useful in doing genetic tests and marking your specific cancer. They did that after surgery. They also did some blood market typing, where they took extra blood before her chemo (in addition to the usual one for blood counts) and they used this for some testing, and like you say, in the future.

She was told by her surgeon that MRI every 6 mos I think, and any "body scans will be up to the oncologist." There's still time to work that out, whether PET/CT annual or we will see/discuss, & you too, hopefully will get answers in time.


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Hi Romnessprite,
Have you had a full course of neoadjuvant chemo (for example AC and T)?  If so, and you are heading to surgery next week, I don't think I understand the need for a blood test.  When they remove the tumor, the pathologist will assess what is left.  It is entirely possible that what is left is all dead, non-viable cells (i.e. a pCR).  But I don't think they can know until your surgery.

My pathology report came back with lots of information (the size of the remaining tumor, the % cellularity, the % DCIS (in my case, zero), etc), and I'm sure yours will too.  You will know if there was any remaining viable cancer or not.

If you don't end up with a pCR, you might be interested in some of the options that we are exploring (above).  Although, there are 3 levels of Residual Cancer Burden (well, 4 if you count RCB0 which is pCR).  My understanding is that RCB1 patients have almost as good or as good a prognosis as pCR patients, so even if you have some viable cancer left, it may be so minimal that you will still have a truly excellent prognosis.

Good luck with your surgery!  Hoping for the best for you!

My understanding about what most of us get for screening:
*  Mammograms and breast MRIs rotating every 6 months, if no mastectomy
*  Appointments every 3 months with our oncologists for first 3-5 years, then moving to every 6 months and then ultimately annual.  At these appointments, we will have a physical exam and discussion of any symptoms, etc
*  Most people do not have scans unless they feel symptoms.  The rationale for this is that the radiation is harmful; the stress/anxiety is harmful; false positives are common; and there is no benefit because early discovery of metastasis supposedly does not result in longer survival.  (Unmentioned, but perhaps another reason: cost?).  So the ASCO guidelines suggest no regular screening, although it seems that a few doctors still do this

Good luck with everything!
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Thank you Gordon. You can call me Ginie too. I didnt pick my name for this forum. An administrator had to register me because my the website had a problem at the time😁
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Oops, I didn't see that Gordon already answered your questions (and in fewer, clearer words!).  Good luck again.
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Thanks for all the info. My wife says the blood testing they are doing is "experimental" and he still hasn't sent the tumor out for testing, she asked him to test for androids? Anti-androgynous or something. I'm sure he would be doing this right away if he thought it would benefit her in near future. Apparently they used blood to do genetic testing. (neg for six)

I'm not sure the radiation for scans is as deadly as finding more cancer, but cost is a factor for sure. Also, I believe PET/CT does not pick up any lesion smaller than 1 centimeter. I think chest xray is used for lung screening, and bone scans (they gave my wife one early on after dx) used too.

I think they are not throwing lots of adjuvant preventative chemo at it because they don't know the toxicity of new drugs. Of course some aren't approved by any insurance either.

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Thank you tulips. Idid finish ac and taxol. My husband is a Physicians Assistant in Pathology at my hospital and sometimes he said after chemo with tnbc there is nothing left but the clip at the biopsy sight. I just have a hunch that the 7mm they saw is still cancerouse. I hope Im wrong. It has been good for me to read all of the above discussions though because if there is residual its treatable.Or there are at least trials. Im sceptical of how efficient radiation is. Because I see on this forum that many of you had radiation and it still came back.
The blood test I was talking about is a study just announced on friday Donna 123 was talking about on the other discussion here. Clear Vue blood test that can see cancer cells in your blood. If I umderstand it they dont know what it means if that count goes up or down. But you can only be on the study if you are pcr.
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Hi. I am new to forums and am not sure if I'm doing this right.  
I was diagnosed November 2015 with idc tnbc, ki67-90%. 1.8cm. I'm 61 years old.
I had 4 AC and 12 taxol treatments which were completed in May,2016. I chose bilateral mastectomy with sentinel node in July  . There was no lymph node involvement but pathology showed residual disease (*which was removed with the BLM). Rad Onco says I don't need Radiation(yay). But my MO wants me to start Xeloda to improve my chances of not having it reoccur.  I don't know what to do.  It is supposed to decrease re-occurance by 5%.  Do that justify 6 months of who knows what side effects?  
I see you started that drug.  How did you manage? 

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Hello GlorL,  I had quite a bit of residual disease (no lymph node involvement) and did do xeloda after my BMX and radiation.  Unfortunately, I was only able to get through 2.5 cycles before the side effects became too much for me.  I understand that most people sail through xeloda though.  My onc said that the side effects I experienced were very rare.  I would have considered dose reductions and staying on it if I had no other Tx options, but, I did/do have the option of a vaccine trial.   Good luck with your decision!  I know it's hard to think about 6 more months of chemo!  

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Hello GlorL and R152410,

GlorL,  I am about to start my 8th and final round of Xeloda, and have in fact sailed through with barely any side effects.  If your MO recommends this, I think it makes sense to try it and see how you fare.  If you end up suffering too much, you can always stop like R152410.  (Although, I admit, I am nervous about my lack of side effects--I read that women who experience hand/foot syndrome have a more effective response to Xeloda vs. those that don't).  R152410, what side effects were the worst for you?  Also, R152410, I'd love to hear about the vaccine trial you are on.  I'm glad to hear you were eligible even after trying Xeloda.  Where is it based?  Do you have to travel?  Any other details would be appreciated!  I am not sure I'm ready to be "done" with treatment, very curious about additional options.  I really, really, really don't want this to come back!!!

Good luck to all!!  Fingers crossed for everyone!!
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What is the vaccine trial you are taking?
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Hi all!  I am on the Herceptin/Neuvax trial for low Her2 expressors (Her2 +1/+2).  There are a number of sites across the country but luckily, I don't have to travel.  I looked in to a couple of other vaccine trials that will allow participation after Xeloda - a phase 1 trial out of Wash U. in St. Louis (check out their results with Stage IV melanoma) and a Phase 2 Folate receptor vaccine with several sites around the country.  All allow participation of Stage 2+ TNBCers with non-PCRs following neoadjuvant.   
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Hi could you please help me I am on xeloda and now I am suffering from foot and hand syndrome is there something you guys know is good for the pain and discomfort
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