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    Posted: May 08 2008 at 4:38am
My wife is in bed asleep because her RBC's and also (WBC's and platelets)
are just so low.  We have a 10 year old daughter with autism and a very sensitive fifteen year old daughter who as a teen isn't being that close to her dad right now. 
I'm scared so bad.  She's had two rounds of Gemzar, Carboplatin and Avastatin. But we haven't gone to that appt where they assess any improvement.  I read so many of these places on the web that are very pessimistic.  I just would like to hear some stories where the chemo treatments did beat back the triple negative for a good while.  I almost can't work, I just want to be with her every minute.  But have to work because our youngest's autism theapies are so expensive.  Could anyone just give me a small bit of hope?  The internet can be cruel with these search engines. I want to hear something good and positive.
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PM,
 
I know how scary this is and understand what a daunting feat it is to stay positive.  When I found out that I had mets, I purposely refused to look at prognosis statistics.  I am not a statistic -- I have NEVER been normal a day in my life, so I assume that I won't be with regard to the prognosis statistics.  There was one day that a statistic slipped into my view and I was a mess for the rest of the day.
 
I was reminded that those statistics are OLD -- about 5 years old.  They have made MANY strides in triple negative.  True, they all revolve around chemotherapy and luck, but they are working on treatments now that could help make triple negative disease a chronic one.
 
I will tell you my story, to offer some hope, but I am only cautiously optimistic because it hasn't been that long.  When my mets were discovered, we did radiation on the tumor in my axilla and Taxol, Carboplatin, Avastin, and Erbitux for the mets.  In November, my PET/CT showed no evidence of disease.  It's been that way in subsequent test and my tumor markers are now within normal.
 
True that this could change at any minute, but someone did tell me that if they can get you to NED once, they can do it again.
 
I pray that this is true. 
 
I have to say that I am bolstered with the hope that I get from Cancer Treatment Centers of America.  They do not believe in 'incurable' and they go for cures.  They don't get them more often than not, but they go for it, which is more than some cancer centers.
 
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7/07 St 4 mets to nodes/lungs. PACA/Rads NED 11/07-10/08
Lepto mets 10/08
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PM,

Understand your fears.  However, as Caryn says, the statistics we read are OLD.  I was diagnosed with liver mets Feb. '06 and I'm still going.  Actually, I'm doing pretty darn good!  My experience with Gemzar was not that good.  It was the 1st chemo after being diagnosed.  I'm sure it's a good drug and it kept me going until I was able to get Taxol/Avastin.  That has been the best combination for me.  Whatever you do, don't give up hope!  Keep believing they will find the right combination for your wife.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.  Also, there are web sites out there that tell you about all the trials that are available.  You might want to look at those and question your wife's onc about them. 

I'll be keeping your family in my prayers.  
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A few weeks ago my social worker apologized for missing my chemo.  She was busy with a triple negative woman who was having some emotional issues.  She was dx with metastasis over ten years ago, and has been NED since treatment and was being released from oncology.  She was crying and was scared, but was joyfu.
 
It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen.  And there is new research, and a new focus in the last year or two on triple negative disease. 
 
I was dx with mets in December and I have just finished my first chemo series with a complete response.  Currently no evidence of disease, and I'm off chemo with follow up scans in early August.  Already I have fuzz on my head.
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Wow, Brenda, that is so great!  Congratulations!  
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Brenda that is fanatastic!
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Woohoo, Brenda!!

Dx 05/06 Stage IIIC
Local Recurrence 01/07
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I just got on to thank every one of you that replied....... I read my own words and I can barely see right now the tears are just all over the place!

My lord. 


Everyone of you that replied to me....God Bless You.  Those replies did give me hope.  Things such as this (cancer) really have a way of cutting through
all the petty bull$*$* .  My wife is so cool, so composed no matter what she is feeling inside she remains so tough.  I'm just in awe and at the same time wonder why it is I'm the one feeling like i've been broken.  It is all of it rolled together; the fear and anger. then hope and even laughter.  I just know there are those I love more than my own life. 

Back to topic.  I am very glad progress has been made.  All of those replies to my first post helped in a way more than words can say.  Thank you for taking the time to help me
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Dearr PM,
The treatment will come to the end and there will be some good time!
 
I was on chemo for 6 months, unable to even get up and go to the bathroom!
 
I am lucky to have a great husband, strong and sound, he goes to work every day; somebody has to keep it up! I was so dissapointed, when he did not want to stay with me when I was after surgeries and when I was sick with chemo... but we are here alone... no relatives to help... two kids also... I found tons of support from other victims of this disease, co-workers and social workers at the BC centre. Hang in there! And keep fighting!
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Hi PM,
 
My goodness yes, the emotions play a huge part in all of this and it does affect loved ones.  I don't know about most husbands but I would guess that alot of them don't show their feelings but reading your posts have given us a peak inside the caregiver's mind who loves his wife very much and thank you for that.
 
I'm so glad progress has been made with your wife's treatment.
God bless you dear and she is very lucky to have you by her side.Smile
 
My best wishes and keep in touch with us,
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Ladies, Paul hasn't been on line since May 9.  I even tried googling to see if I could find out how his wife is doing.  I did find that he contributed a story to Bill Clinton's book "Giving" on caring for an autistic child, but nothing about his wife susie.
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Too sad.
 
I have a friend: mets to kidney, lungs and brain, he is on oxygen now. They found out too late, he had problems with balance... it's not even a year...
 
I read an article somewhere, how people just dissapear from chat rooms, because they just... are not between us anymore...
sorry, but it is with me all the time...
 
danikunz77 has a thread about nutrition. She posted excellent sites: http://www.thedailyplate.com/ http://www.cancerproject.org/ I think it's a great idea!!
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I first wanted to say that I am very sorry I have been away from the boards.  A lot of different demands; pulls from different directions.

But it just warmed my heart so much you cannot know when I saw that you all were thinking of Susie and me and worrying and wondering what might be going on.  I'll catch you up on where we are in the battle.

Of course in March, the doctors diagnosed Susie Stage IV, Triple Negative Breast Cancer. The doctors are (looking for word other than negative)......, well...kinda negative.  You'll never catch them giving you one thread of false promise, and I understand why they are doing that.  In the beginning of this in March they told us the worst outcome and did not go into a lot of detail about better ones.  For 3 months of treatment with Avastin, Gemzar and Carboplatin we went through what I know you all have to similarly go through.  Like a dark cloud, no matter how good  your attitutde that follows around; like a cartoon character with dark cloud that just stays above the head.

After 3 months of regular chemo treatments, and caring for Susie during her ups and downs with the chemotherapy they gave a CT scan.  Of course, they took the scan and we were told to come back in a week or so where they would interpret the results for us.  Long week!

I am very encouraged (understatement) to tell you that this doctor came in and you could tell that what she was about to say was completely not what she had expected for my Susie.  She said that the treatments with the 3 medicines showed on CT scan a SIGNIFICANT reduction of the cancer that was found throughout her lymph nodes.  In every lymph node region, that was her description...SIgnificantly reduced. For this doctor who doesn't play the positive I think out of fear of giving false hope that was a big word for her.  You could tell also she was surprised. 

Now, of course, she is still Stage IV.  The cancer still exists throughout the lymphatic system but has not entered any organs or taken up shop in any new places.  We were grateful for what they told us.  They could have come in and said, no change...no response. or little bit of response.  But this was I think the best thing that they could have told us.  Right away she said it changed Susie's prognosis, in regard to LIFE.  The doctor carefully said that being a responder meant that the two year survival that we had been living with and thinking was the case has changed. They do not know where it lies, no doctor does. But Susie is definitely a responder and she is fighting!!!  The responding added many years to the prognosis.  I'm almost afraid to ask or research possibly how many...in fact I hope you understand we are almost afraid to celebrate the good news too much out of fear that the way life can be unfair that the next CT Scan would show no improvement. So we've been quiet, almost walking on eggshells.  But also 300 tons of pressure and tears and worry were lifted in that at least we are 'responding' and going in the right direction.  Please forgive me for not writing.  In those bleak early first month and weeks I cannot tell you how many on here gave me just enough hope to be able to go to sleep, maybe get through the next day. Priceless gifts.
So thank you.  We are going to try and take the children for a brief vacation because we feared all of this would deny them a trip this year which they so much deserve. 
I look forward to logging back on and learning from you all what is happening with every one else ( I pray for the absolute best). and I do have questions when I get back to regular about what maybe we might expect. I've heard before once a responder...not always a second time responder and stuff like that. We of course are still scared so bad.  But the CT scan helped us breath; and until that day I did not realize how much horrible stress I had been living and breathing with day to day. In fact, my response instead of a lot of jumping up and down was like the sleep of a man who'd been lost in a jungle for a long time and just been found and given food. I slept a lot.  I guess my bodies way of reparing itself from the nervous system and heart stress we endured.  I pray for everyone so sincerely and so hard.  And can't wait to get back to talk to some of you veterans to see what all that has happened to us so far might mean.

Thank you so much.
Most Sincerely,
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This is Paul.
 
I don't know if I'm repeating myself, but the first CT scan after months of chemotherapy showed and this is direct dr.'s words, "Significant decrease in the entire lymph node system... in some places, such as the neck where they did the initial biopsy they said they found none.  My wife and mom in law were disturbed the doctor didn't seem the least interested in the tumor in the breast (taking action, etc). But as a medical professional who speaks this stuff for a living I voiced what I could tell was their questions that the doctor wasn't hearing.  Since she is stage IV, a masectomy is not even considered..since the goal is to beat the cancer that has spread outside of the breast and into the lymph nodes. They found no new growth and only "significant' depletion of the cancerous cells that had infiltrated almost all of the lymphatic system. 
 
My fear now is that once I heard that the first treatment is always the most effective; that after that the CT scans to follow will not be so dramatic and it is then that things start to level out. I am scared because I worry that even shown to be a wonderful responder that somehow these cancerous cells find a way to avoid being annhiliated; thus shooting down my greatest hope that we can beat them back...out of the lymphatic system and since there are none in the organs, I would hope that the tumor would someday be contained to the breast.  Am I just wishing?  Has this ever happened to anyone or have you ever heard of it happening. At 40, my wife is vital to our household with our youngest child having profound autism and my oldest daughter the tender age of fifteen.  It is a nightmare to me to even think of losing her; because I'm just a clumsy father who would feel so scared of the worst scenario.  But, I am grateful for that first CT SCAN.  What if they had come in the room and said, you are not a responder.  The chemo didn't move the existing cancer cells in your lymphatics.  I am grateful. But I will not lie in that I am desperate in disguise.  I would trade with her.  Anything.  I'll pray for good things, and I most sincerely wish for all of you nothing but the best of news and progress and FIGHT!   Much Love, PM
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Dear Paul,
 
How wonderful, wonderful to know Susie has responded so well to the chemo. They have been changing their thinking regarding mastectomies for stage-IV disease. There has been another school of thought emerging that by possibly removing the tumor in the breast it would lessen the tumor burden in the body.  I wish I had remembered to mark the article discussing mastectomy for stage-IV disease but I unfortunately cannot find it readily to let you read.
 
I will keep looking.
 
Connie
 
P.S. I felt better once the tumor was removed including the breast - but that is just my opinion.
 
 
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Good morning Paul and what good news to hear Susie is responding!
Thank you for letting us know.
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Hi, Paul,
 
So, it's been three weeks since you found out that Susie is responding to chemo.  How long until they test again?  I believe that they will use chemo until the cancer becomes "refractory" to it (meaning that the cancer has mutated to where it is resistant) and then switch to another chemo.  Unless the cancer is vanquished and she becomes NED, in which case she will have a chemo break until it comes back.  I'm hoping that she will get to that point at some time!  I'm hoping that I can last until treatment is developed that will target our cancers, but that seems a long way off.
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Dear, Paul,
I was giving out hope until I met with several women who lived past 10 years!!!! They all had tumors in BOTH breasts AND LYMPH NODES!!!!
They are still around and healthy!
Do not give up!!! Believe!
 
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Yes, I also felt that way: get rid of it and the body will be able to fight easier! (I have two friends, they did mast. and at least in one case they found hidden tumor in the other "healthy" breast! She worked at the path(!) lab!
But they are still comming up with the stats, that it doesnt's matter, BC is systemic disease; and that ... TNBC is aggressive, so it spreads into the other organs, maily lungs and bones... 
After what I have read about genes and proteines, they will find cure, eventually, hopefully soon enought for my daugher.  Counting my mother died in 2003 and I got diagnosed in 2007.  That's only 5 year span, at least my mom did not know about my diagnosis!
 
I do not think it's anybodies fault: not exersizing, eating chocolates or drinking red wine,...
 
I went back to work...
They did not expect me to make it! ...
Two people told me about their sisters passing away...
Where is this comming from?
 
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Yeah, Galina what's up with me having to hear all the bc stories about a friend of an acquaintance?  Do I need to hear all that?  I don't even know these people.
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