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    Posted: Jun 08 2009 at 3:41pm
I am not new to the site, I visit it often but rarely post anything.  I finished my treatment for TNBC in March of this year.  Now that I am done with everything, I worry constantly that it is going to come back.  I was stage II, grade III with 2/13 positive nodes.  I am 34 years old (33 at dx).  I have two small children - it just makes me sick to my stomach I cannot enjoy everyday - I spend it worrying.  I keep reading that "nodes are key" on whether you will have a recurrence - well 2 of mine were positive.  I don't feel my oncologist is taking my triple neg status very seriously.  I had 4 rounds AC and 12 rounds Taxol, and a double mastectomy and 33 rads.  Don't you think I got it???  I had very aggressive treatment for a very aggressive diagnosis.  I need a pick me up - some good news - something to give me hope. 

Edited by sydonashae - Jun 08 2009 at 3:41pm
Susan (age 33 at dx)
Dx: 6/13/08
Triple Neg
Stage II, Grade III
2/3 SNODE 0/13 NODES/BRCA NEG
4 rounds AC/12 Rounds Taxol/
30 Rads
Reconstruction process
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Hi Susan,
 
Aww Sweetie you aren't alone, I think we all worry with every ache and pain that it might be the Beast poking its ugly head once again, I know I have my days! You have to think positive, stress is so not good for you! When I start worrying I try to think of something that brings me pleasure, watch a romantic comedy, watch the cat play, whatever it takes to bring me out of that bad spot! You don't want to stay there too long sweetie.
 
It sure sounds like you hit it hard, so I believe you will be fine! Have you been working on changing your internal and external environment??? If you don't change your life style that allowed the cancer to invade you in the first place, chances are it could return.
 
If you aren't comfortable with your Doctor than its time to change Doc's!
 
Keep your chin up, and try and find some comfort you aren't alone.
 
Warm blanket of huggss to you!
Love, Bev


Edited by Yankeespie - Jun 08 2009 at 4:37pm
Dx 2-10-09
Er neg Pr neg Her2 neg 1+
Double Mastectomy 3-2-09
2.7cm grade 3
Lymph Nodes neg
NO reconstruction, NO chemo
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Thank you so much Bev for your response.  I have been finding myself isolating from those that care about me.  I just feel toxic most of the time to be around - the worry has taken over and I am so tired of it.  I have good days and bad days - just like anyone else.  I know this is no longer in my hands, but maybe a small portion is.  I am going to try and do my best to move forward - what have I got to lose right??  Thanks again - Susan
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Dx: 6/13/08
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Stage II, Grade III
2/3 SNODE 0/13 NODES/BRCA NEG
4 rounds AC/12 Rounds Taxol/
30 Rads
Reconstruction process
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Hi, Susan.  The fear you write about grabs all of us, one way or another.  The truth is, you did all you could, all the chemo, the radiation and the surgery.  I did all I could too.  Now, we try to live as best we can, and let ourselves shake and cry when the fear casts it's long shadow over our lives.  It is largely out of our hands.  After treatment, some of us will have recurrences, and some won't.  We can't know in advance which group we belong to.  Only time will tell.  The odds are in your favor (at least 60-70% cured after treatment, even with a couple of positive nodes), but there are no guarantees.   So you have to find out what your temperament is like, and what that tells you about how to cope.  Some people can embrace optimism, and live well that way.  Others (like me) are less good at optimism, and instead try to approach a buddhist attitude of holding life lightly in one's hands, savoring each day and each loved one for the time we have, while trying to avoid grasping at life so tightly that hearing the words 'you have metastatic disease' will destroy us.  Watching others who have dealt with those words and their aftermath, and seeing how their spirits often soar despite progressing cancer.  Seeing courage in others and coming to know, little by little, that we possess the strength to see it through, no matter what happens.   I've done a lot of reading about dying, as well, and become acquainted with the idea of a 'good death'.  This brings me comfort as well, for if that's the way it's going sometime soon, I want to go there with as much beauty and style and meaning as possible.   We can make our suffering a teaching for others, just as the suffering of others and their humanity in the face of it is a teaching for us.  My friend Elle said to me that I have no choice but to make my path into a spiritual practice, for myself and others.  That is how I try to cope.  I rail, and fall, and rise, and fall again, and do it publicly, for myself and for others.  Because of course this is not just our path, but the path of every human being.  We are not alone, even though we may feel alone at times.   

Peace, sister.  Peace, and may you find your way through this very difficult terrain.  When you come upon a path that is right for you, you'll know.  It'll feel like home, a home you've never lived in before but familiar just the same.

Much love,
Denise (your sister in fear, suffering, and many moments of enlightenment)
DX 2/08@43 stg II IDC; gr2,0 nodes. Neoadj chemo, first ACx2 (fail) then CarboTaxotereX6(better). Lump, Rads done 11/08; Clodronate. False alarm queen: PetCT lung & TM marker. NED. PBM w/recon 9/10.
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One more thing - if you think your temperament is at all like mine, I recommend books and especially audiotapes of Pema Chodron.  Two that have helped me a lot are 'Comfortable with Uncertainty' and 'Fear and Fearlessness'.  A practice I find helpful when I'm afraid is called Tonglen.  It's a form of meditation that Pema talks about in which you breathe IN the suffering of all those who suffer in the particular way you are suffering at the moment, and breathe out comfort.  You'd be surprised how effective it is find oneself in such good company and make an offering of healing to others.  Every possible suffering we will ever experience or can ever imagine has been experienced by legions of other beautiful human beings, and is at this moment being experienced by someone.  We are alone with nothing.

Love,
Denise


Edited by dmwolf - Jun 08 2009 at 6:43pm
DX 2/08@43 stg II IDC; gr2,0 nodes. Neoadj chemo, first ACx2 (fail) then CarboTaxotereX6(better). Lump, Rads done 11/08; Clodronate. False alarm queen: PetCT lung & TM marker. NED. PBM w/recon 9/10.
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Thank you all for your kind words.  I know I am not alone, it just feels that way sometimes.  I hope, I pray, that is all I can do..all we can do!  Thank you so much. BTW I raised $10,000 for my local race for the cure last month!  Wowza!  Clap
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Dx: 6/13/08
Triple Neg
Stage II, Grade III
2/3 SNODE 0/13 NODES/BRCA NEG
4 rounds AC/12 Rounds Taxol/
30 Rads
Reconstruction process
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HI Susan,
We are all gripped by that fear from time to time, and it is soo normal.  I have been told that sometimes the hardest part is now, once treatment is done, and all we can do is wait and pray for the best.  At least our er/pr+ sisters have tamoxifin to make them feel they are still doing something to fight, we've got nothing except positive vibes and prayers.  Hang in.  I have my days where I allow the fear to take over and I isolate, then I have my days where I am happy and positive.  The days of fear come less and less as time goes on.  One thing that is helping me is I have taken on a new project, training for a 5k (race for the cure in Oct).  I am doubtful that I will reach my goal due to upcoming surgeries, however, I am acting as if, and you never know...  I guess I just live by the saying "fake it until you make it..."  Also helpful is this, sharing how you feel.  In my town there are many of us bc gals, and so far the majority of us are tn.  I might try to organize a support group just us.  Not at some hospital where there are all different ages and stuff.  We are all in the same community, our children all go to school together, etc.  Just some ideas.  I feel blessed that as of this moment, I am assumed to be cancer free, and I want to give back in some way.  I guess if I do positive things, even though there is a shadow of fear over me, I trick myself into positive thinking. 
 
This is what is working for me, so far...
 
Hugs and you will get thru this!


Edited by outnumbered - Jun 09 2009 at 4:11am
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DX @ age 40 6/24/08 Stage 1 Grade 3 BRCA1+ 187delAG

BMX (nipple-areola-sparing) 8/5/08

Redo BMX (remove nipple and areola) w/ Lat Flap 7/6/09

BSO 9/3/09

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Susan, you raised $10,000! Wow, now that's an accomplishment you can be proud of, congratulations.
 
The looking over the shoulder waiting for the silent beast to find its way back in is pretty powerful stuff and I'm at the same place. I keep thinking that this is a transitional moment, where I face that fact and learn to deal with it, through some mechanism that hasn't arrived yet on my doorstep. I'm still kind of free floating and my feet haven't managed to find their anchor to mother earth just yet.
 
But, I tell myself that I have to learn to put those worries into my worry box and close the lid because even if the cancer comes back, this is my time, my life and even if I have to teach myself to laugh again I will, even if I still have trouble smelling the wild roses growing on my driveway, I will soon. The pieces of life are still there waiting for us to tap into them. They will give us strength to continue, there's no big answer just lots of little things out there.
 
I like Sara's comment that "I guess if I do positie things, even though there is a shadow offear over me, I trick myself into positive thinking" That's excellent advice and I know I'll try more of that.
 
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My hair has also started to grow back on the taxol. I have 5 more treatments left.
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Laniefagan - isn't that a great feeling?? Don't be suprised if you still lose some but just knowing that your body is strong and fighting its way back to normalcy is such a reassuring feeling.
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Hey Susan,

I know you'll "trust" another SusanWink to tell you the truth...you are magnificent!  With the kick cancer's butt treatment you've done, being a MOM every single day and finding a way to STILL do a fundraiser...we have a winner folks!  Today I sat with my oncologist "fighting" for informed decisions on our treatment for TN!  She actually flippantly said that we had few options later and atleast "your + sisters can pop a pill"!  You get it...this is a for real tough road where we are the QUEENS of turning lemons into lemonade!  I give myself a "schedule" during this b/w time.  I have the dr./medical visits, my medical routine, my exercise time, meal times, relax time, working on my goals, and both give and get support...so we are here for you...maybe you need some YOU time to fill yourself back up so it's not so overwhelming....and I understand totally.  My left side was 6 wks ago, port surgery, problems with what subset chemo I need in TN and my other breast is bothering me. I don't know about you, but I'm not the same person I was before those fateful words.  I am softer and tougher...I think the same is probably true for you:=)  And I have 2 daughters too.  Can I be cheezy?  I think one of my favorite scenes in StepMom was when Susan Sarandon played "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and danced through the house with her bed curtains and microphones of curling irons and hair brushes...you'll find your magic, I can feel it from you.  It's an honor to know you and that %$#*! Cancer ain't got a chance with you-believe me IT is scared of YOU, WOMANLOL  HUGS!
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Dx: 1/09 Metaplastic TN IDC/3.5CM/DCIS/1.0;4/09 L mastectomy;6-11/09 Cytoxan/Taxotere X6;BRACA-; Recurrance 11/10 bone mets broke arm;Lung mets;rads X15; chemo/parp tbd 1/11
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Thank you Suzie!!!  My dad calls me SuzieThumbs%20Up.  Thank you so much for your reply - I so enjoyed reading it.  Yes, you are right about being softer and tougher at the same time that is for sure!  You were just diagnosed and looks like you have a handle on things - good for you!!!  I cannot watch "Stepmom" after being diagnosed - but I know the scene you are referring to!!  You rock!!Hug Susan
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Dx: 6/13/08
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Stage II, Grade III
2/3 SNODE 0/13 NODES/BRCA NEG
4 rounds AC/12 Rounds Taxol/
30 Rads
Reconstruction process
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Suzie,
 
I know...the thought of having THEM get the joy of the grandkids makes me go on, too...haven't watched it either since dx either.  I hope I didn't put a crack in your Broken%20Heart...you keep kickin butt and surround yourself with all who know how wonderful you are...and um, may I just say, one way I had to learn to be both tougher and softer was to...ask for support, and it's working.  And if you believe it, there ARE angels in this world.  hugs and healing, girlWink
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Hi Susan,
 
I just wanted to say that since you have only finished your treatments in March it is early yet for you and things are still very fresh in your mind.
 
I believe with time cancer will take less time in your thoughts, life has a way of taking over.  Actually I can vouch for that.  You won't ever loose the fact you've been diagnosed but it will fade, you just need time.
 
Do what you can for now to keep you busy, distract yourself.  If you find yourself worrying, go in the other room, go shopping, out to lunch, do the dishes, anything to distract yourself.
 
We cannot let cancer win.  If we continue our lives and cancer has most of our attention than cancer wins, we don't want that, you want to win and you can.
 
Also I wanted you to know that having positive nodes is not a Pass Go for having more cancer.  There have been studies posted in this forum showing that even women w/no nodes and a small tumor can sometimes be more aggressive and progress to mets as opposed to the woman with some positive nodes. 
 
So there is no perfect way, no perfect direction, step by step, hour by hour and eventually it does get better.
There is no rhyme or reason as to who gets mets and who doesn't so do the best you can to not look down the road into the future, we have no idea what that may hold for any of us.


Edited by trip2 - Jun 11 2009 at 5:39pm
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Thank you Pam - you are so right about everything you said - I wish I could turn off my worries, but as you know it does take time like you said.  Tomorrow is exactly one year from my diagnosis - I think it's just the time of year maybe - I do need to do more to keep myself preoccupied - working isn't enough.  I need to get in the gym!!!  Take careHeart - Susan
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Dx: 6/13/08
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Stage II, Grade III
2/3 SNODE 0/13 NODES/BRCA NEG
4 rounds AC/12 Rounds Taxol/
30 Rads
Reconstruction process
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Dear Susan,

my daughter was dx with aggressive TNBC in 2004...we are two months away from five years NED for her. I can't say that this is over for her but the five year marker we have been told is important.

Having said all that whenever she goes for her surveillance she is nervous, as am I. I guess about six months ago the doctor found something "I don't like" as part of Digital Rectal Exam. She wound up having imaging done and by the time she was scheduled whatever it was disappeared and was not there on a subsequent DRE.

I think it is hard to understand the angst unless you have gone through cancer/chemo...My daughter had four months of AC/TAXOL and that experience has changed her life, I believe, forever.

As a parent who lost his mother to metastatic breast cancer when I was 20...I find that the memory of that, at times, is still raw. and on some deeply sublimated level I live in fear that my daughter's cancer will return but she has done whatever she can to give herself the best chance of long-term survival. With each passing day I feel slightly more relaxed but the worry never seems to totally disappear. To be honest, I doubt it ever will.

The other thing I have experienced in my life is watching how my loved ones handled things...my grandfather who lost his wife to ovarian cancer when they were both in their late 40's was shattered by that experience..
my mother was as well..my grandmother was 19 when she gave birth to my mom. From what I understand they were each other's best friend. It was so painful for my grandfather and my mom that they never talked about it. When my mom passed my grandfather went into a state that can
perhaps be best described as "humorless."

I, until I went to a marvelous therapist named Karen Hurley at MSKCC after my daughter was dx, was NEVER able to speak about my mother without crying..I still find myself with that constricted feeling in my throat but I am better.

I am mentioning all of this in the context of what is available to all of us now and that are the wonderful sites like TNBCF. It is so marvelous to be able to reach out to others who "get it." So important to be able to share the dark thoughts.

Susan, sorry so long-winded but we hear you...I believe time has helped my daughter and it will help you as well. Try, as best you can, to dig deep and enjoy life as much as you can. Try to find some joy in everyday...and if some days are just rotten...well there is tomorrow.

wishing you..all the best..and a 100 years NED,

Steve


I am a BRCA1+ grandson, son and father of women affected by breast/oc-my daughter inherited mutation from me, and at 36, was dx 2004 TNBC I am a volunteer patient advocate with SAGE Patient Advocates
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