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    Posted: Aug 09 2007 at 6:01pm
"Waking The Warrior Goddess" is a book written by Dr. Christine Horner  that actually gives you signifcant guidance through just about every aspect of the prevention of breast cancer, reducing the rate of tumor growth, diet, exercise, supplements, alternative therapies etc.  She is an M.D. and sites the studies for the herbs and supplement recommendations. Although the focus is more toward estrogen positives, the information is relevant for most cancers in general.   The fact is we're young enough that the prevention of the other types of breast cancer should still be on our radar.
     Incidently If you received reconstructive surgery after your mastectomy or radiation you can thank this woman.  The only reason your insurance company paid for it was because she single handidly got the federal law passed that forced the insurance industry to give us back our femininity.  Her mother died from breast cancer and she has made it her life work to help women like us. 
 
Fighting to Win!
 
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Ronda,
 
I am not feeling like the warrior goddess I should be today.  I am VERY down.  I have been reading stuff on the internet (I know...don't spank me for it!) about the poor prognosis for people with "poorly differentiated" cells, and triple negative hormone receptors, etc. 
 
I want to be the warrior goddess and fight this, but why should I if my prognosis sucks! I'm only stage II (with poorly differentiated cells...grade 3, triple negative) but today I'm feeling like what's the point?  Why should I drag my family through this?  I don't want to spend my last year/s with them looking and feeling like crap. 
 
Sorry to dump on you, but I'm having a hard day today.  I've been depressed since it was announced this past week that Nancy Block-Zenna lost her battle.
 
Any cynical words of wisdom?
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Hi Skippy, no cynical words of wisdom here but your email touched my heart and I just wanted to reply. 
The news isn't always that great for triple negs but you have to remember that what you read is information as a whole.  We are each individual with our own pathologies, response to meds etc., so we are not what is on the internet if that makes sense.  I hear of long time survivors, they are out there and remember also when you read this board or another one there are lots of women who have already finished their treatments have moved along living a healty life and we don't hear from them anymore.
I get down too, believe me, I bet we all do at times.  I'm in the middle of chemo and just got out of the hospital from having congestive heart failure so I've got some big decisions to make now.
Of course the news of Nancy is going to make us sad.  Not everything you read on the internet is going to be easy on the eye but there is good news out there.  Your family love you and we have to have hope that anyday now something is going to happen.
I've chatted too long, stay here with us Skippy, it is crappy sometimes but we're in this together.
 
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Skippy,
 
I totally feel that way too. Reading the internet makes it worse. When I found this site it brought back to the surface all those what if's I have asked time and time again. I think/believe if we are aggressive and real about our treatments we can live to be old and gray (OK , I was already gray).
 
Cancer is a crazy SOB - I look at it as my mid life crisis. This is when I need to make decisions for the REST of my life.
 
We do all have our bad days, when I was in the hospital with no immunie system and no /low blood counts and got a blood infusion (I have never givven blood so this scared the hell out of me) I was more afraid of dying from an infection than from the cancer. 
 
Remember that you are doing what you need to do it survive.
 
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Hey Skippy,
    Sure I always have great cynical words of wisdom!  We human beings in crisis communicate hoping to find security and comfort in information.  We want to try to predict our fate. Unfortunately all  the oncologists and studies and treatments and discussions provide us with no answers.  My solution is to plan my future beyond this drama and see myself clearly at the age of seventy with greatgrand children.  When a martial arts gal breaks a board she does it by seeing past the board, not focusing on the board itself.  As you can see I spend alot of time pondering these twisted, dramatic moments in my life and try to get their meaning.  What this means to me is life is precious, you are precious and if we focus on death we can very well contribute to that outcome, so lets write our books as epics with happy endings and then make it so.  If you bite this whole drama  at once then it's easy to choke, take little nibble everyday and you'll be on the other side of this in no time.  You are not dragging your family through anything what you are experiencing is life, and there are way worse things than this, there really really are.  We have given birth, we are strong, we will survive!  This sh*t was way easier than my divorce!  You can do this, it isn't a fun party, but think of all the cool people you get to meet, like me!!!  Now get back on that horse and ride!!
 
Hugs  :) Ronda
 
P.S.  Started taking sub-lingual vitamin B 12 tabs (they dissolve under the tongue)  I can't believe it's legal, I feel so dang good!  My oncologist said it was o.k.  My chemo brain is gone and my attitude amazing.  It may be worth trying!
 
 
 


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Hi Skippy,

All of us at the TNBC Foundation are sorry to hear that you are feeling down. Even more, it pains us to hear that you feel so hopeless. In response to your post, I have posted a message from the TNBC Board. It is listed as a new topic on TNBC Talk. It contains information about TNBC's upcoming symposium. Here is an excerpt from the post:

In Nancy's memory, and with each and every one of you in mind, we are now more determined than ever to further the goals of this foundation: to raise awareness of triple negative breast cancer and to support research targeted specifically toward this disease.

Please have faith. Remember that huge strides have been made in treating and curing other types of breast cancer. There is no reason to believe that the same kind of progress cannot be made here.

To find better treatments, we need more focused research efforts. To that end, the TNBC Foundation is co-sponsoring the 2007 Triple Negative Breast Cancer Symposium this December. Together with Susan G. Komen For The Cure, we have invited leading doctors, researchers and scientists from around the world for a "meeting of the minds." The participants were selected by our Advisory Board for their interest in, and dedication to, our cause. Together, they will explore the most promising research leads in the area of triple negative breast cancer research and develop a scientific agenda for finding effective treatment alternatives for triple negative patients.

All of us here at the Foundation are incredibly excited about this event, especially since responses from the invitees have been overwhelmingly positive. It is a significant step in the right direction and we wanted to share this good news with you.

Peace, Love & a Cure,

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Hi Skippy (LOVE that name-- It's my husband's nickname) --
 
I can so relate you your feeling down and concern.  I lived in blissful ignorance (quasi-ignorance) for 4 years after being diagnosed with Stage 2a, Poorly Diff, grade 3, triple negative, brca1+ BC.   It had been node negative and so I figured that after chemo and radiation, removing my ovaries/tubes, and close surveillance, we'd catch anything that might come back EARLY.  And we would have if my doctors had listened to me.  But, we did find it very EARLY in Stage 4 (it's in my lymph nodes and tiny, tiny mets to lungs). 
 
I have PURPOSELY NOT read the statistics for a few reasons:
 
1) I am not, nor have I ever been, a statistic.  Neither were either of my parents. 
 
2) I have been reminded that the stats are based on OLD information in a field that is having an explosion of research and new information.  We are fortunate (sort of) to be on the bleeding edge of this kind of science, standing in front of the researchers calling them forth to make discoveries for our kind of cancer.  In the meantime, I'm doing what I can to keep myself healthy, so they can catch up with me, with us.
 
We are fighters.  We are warriors, or what my military friend used to call 'points.'  We are sent out in front to scope out the best way and the rest of the world follows. 
 
You will be fine as long as you are vigilent, watching and feeling your body, being scanned and mammo'd, and mri'd.  Insist that you are heard and that your medical professionals hop to it.
 
Throw yourself into the joy of life.  That is what it is there for.  Cancer can't take away your ability to soak up a sunset, or fall into the gaze of your children, revel in the gurgle of a babbling brook.  By living life in the face of the prospect of recurrence, you take away cancer's power. 
 
I'm going for it.  I WILL be around in 20-25 years (actually, the plan is to pass away of a heart attack at the age of 87 in mid-orgasm -- but that's personal choice -- you can choose your way) and told my former oncologist that he should mark my words.  I'm aggressively attacking this cancer in as many ways as I can while I'm healthy enough to do it.  And then, I am challenging the research world to bring forth the similar treatments that are available for ER/PR +'s.  Ours may be more complex, but I have faith in us, that we'll come up with answers now.  I think we're on the edge of having this be a rotten chronic disease, like diabetes.... I really do.
 
Hang in there!!
 
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Great reply Caryn!
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Loved your reply, Caryn! 
 
Skippy - I have a great surgeon who gave me the pros and cons of being a triple negative when she met me to review the final pathology report.  She stressed big time that there are a lot of TNBC survivors out there and that more research and clinical trials are going on all the time for TNBC.   
 
A study published 11/27/06 said that "After five years 67% of the women with triple negative breast cancer were free of distant metastases, compared to 82% of the other women."  You have every reason to believe that you'll be one of that 67%.  Like everyone else, I want to see the day when no one even gets breast cancer, but any study that concludes that more of us survive without a recurrance is good news to me.  And with the TNBC clinical trials going on now, I have no doubt the newest stats that come out will have a bigger survival rate.
 
We can beat this!
 
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Hello ladies,
 
I have been really down lately and reading all your posts gave strength to continue. We all have our ups and down and this site is a place I come when I feel down. You all inspire me and even though I do not know any of you, I feel that the all the positive energy brings us all together.
One of you said: I am not a statistic and this is so true. I know I tend to read way too much info posted on the internet and it is easy to imagine the worse. But at the end of the day, we are individuals with our own strength and desire to fight and be here for a long time for our children and grand children
 
Hugs to all,.
 
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I have been trying to find the book Ronda was mentionning and did not have much success. Any suggestions?

thanx,

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Hi Oana,  What a cool name!  I found a link on amazon.com and it's on sale too!  Let me know what you think of it.
 
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Thanx Ronda!
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Hi Oana, I hope you are feeling better today.

 

Yes we can read too much and we definitely are not a number.  Sometimes we need to take a break from being a information seeker and careful to remember that some of that information out there is old.

 

This is a good place to come and I sure hope things are better for you now.  Let us know,Hug

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You are right Pam.  Thank you for your nice words.
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See article released today from Georgetown University Medical Center

- estrogen appears to fuel BRCA1 cancer  (which is usually triple negative) and then somehow the estrogen receptors are later turned off - this is important information for those who carry this gene as I do.

 
New Clues to Breast Cancer Development in High-Risk Women Lombardi researchers explain why oophorectomies help prevent breast cancer in women with BRCA1 mutations

 

Washington, DCPhysicians who treat women with the breast cancer susceptibility gene BRCA1 often remove their patients’ ovaries to eliminate the source of estrogen they believe fuels cancer growth. Yet they also know that anti-estrogen therapies don't work to treat breast or ovarian cancer that might develop. That paradox has led scientists to question exactly how, or if, estrogen is involved in cancer development and whether removal of ovaries makes sense.

Now, a team of researchers from Georgetown University’s Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center have shed light on the mechanism that makes ovary removal protective against tumor development in this unique population. They discovered that estrogen is needed to start the cancer process, but then the BRCA1 mutations somehow render the new tumors unresponsive to estrogen, producing cancer that is more aggressive and difficult to treat.

In a study published electronically on July 23 in the journal Oncogene, Georgetown researchers found that mutations of the BRCA1 gene can cause the estrogen-signaling pathway to go awry after cancer starts to grow. The mutated gene somehow causes the tumor cells to stop expressing the estrogen receptor, a protein that sits on the surface of the cell and recognizes the presence of the hormone. This means that these cancers lose sensitivity to estrogen (and potent anti-estrogen therapies like Tamoxifen) after tumors begin to form.

To show that estrogen was involved in the initiation of the cancer, the researchers overexpressed the estrogen receptor in a laboratory mouse model with a BRCA1 mutation and a p53 gene mutation (the two gene mutations usually coexist in human cancer). As predicted, they found that when exposed to estrogen, these mice developed cancerous tumors.

"Estrogen is definitely necessary for these tumors to develop, but somewhere along the tumor development pathway, the emerging tumors lose their sensitivity to estrogen," said Priscilla Furth, MD, the study’s senior author and a professor of oncology at Georgetown. "The cells that develop into cancers frequently lose their ability to express the estrogen receptor and therefore are not sensitive to anti-estrogen therapies."

Although the molecular mechanisms to explain this loss of sensitivity are not yet clear, the researchers believe that the BRCA1 mutation is causing the estrogen signaling pathway to malfunction, ultimately making these tumors harder to treat.

The findings also explain why the small proportion of women who have had an oophorectomy and still develop breast cancer frequently have tumors that are unresponsive to anti-estrogens like Tamoxifen, said Furth.

Both breast and ovarian cancers are often stimulated by estrogen, so oncologists counsel women who are over the age of 35 and know they carry a BRCA mutation to remove their ovariesthe body’s major source of estrogento reduce their chances of developing breast cancer and virtually eliminate risk of ovarian cancer, she explained.

Women with a BRCA1 mutation develop breast cancers that are most often unresponsive to hormones and anti-hormonal therapies like Tamoxifen, said Furth, but doctors continue to see reduced incidence of breast cancer among high-risk women who have undergone the oophorectomy procedure.

"The finding that estrogen is important in the development of BRCA1 mutant breast cancers is one of the strongest pieces of evidence to support removing the ovaries to reduce incidence of cancer in BRCA1 mutation carriers," said co-author Eliot Rosen, MD, PhD, professor of oncology, biochemistry & cell and molecular biology, and radiation medicine at Georgetown.

The research also explains why oophorectomy appears to be more effective for younger women than older women, he said. "This study demonstrates that estrogen is important to the early development of cancer," said Rosen. "Women who have lost BRCA1 function need estrogen to generate a tumor, so fewer years of estrogen exposure from the ovaries could be protective against the generation of new tumors."

BRCA serves as a DNA repair molecule throughout the body, fixing cellular processes that have malfunctioned for some reason, said Furth. But once BRCA is damaged or mutated, these repair processes are slowed or stalled, which can set off a chain reaction resulting in cancer, as demonstrated in their laboratory model.

"The reason why BRCA mutations are so potent for causing breast cancer is because of the multiple actions it can cause," said Furth. "Loss of BRCA function interferes with DNA repair and, as shown in this study, it appears to enhance to growth effects of estrogen."

The team’s research might also reveal why pregnancy does not appear to be as protective against the development of breast cancer in this population as it does in women without genetic mutations. In non-inherited breast cancers, early pregnancy and multiple pregnancies appear to be protective against breast cancer development, explained Rosen.

"But for women who have inherited BRCA1 mutations, the situation is the oppositeearly and multiple pregnancies seems to accelerate the development of breast cancer," he said. "We can now speculate that the higher levels of estrogen and other hormones during pregnancy stimulate the early stages of cancer development."

The researchers intend to build upon their findings in future studies, investigating what is happening in the very early stages of cancer development and figuring out how tumor cells can become estrogen receptor negative. Furth and Peter Shields, MD, professor of oncology and medicine at Georgetown and the associate director for Cancer Control and Population Sciences at the Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center, recently received a two-year, $776,000 grant from the Department of Defense to study the role of another protein, transforming growth factor-beta (TGF-beta), believed to be involved in the development of BRCA1-deficient breast cancer.

Furth, Rosen and two other co-authors received funding for the study from the National Cancer Institute. The work was also supported by a grant from the Susan G. Komen Foundation. Additional co-authors included Laundette P. Jones, PhD, who was a post-doctoral student at Georgetown at the time the research was done, Maddalena T. Tilli, PhD, and Shahin Assefnia, DVM, current post-doctoral students at Georgetown, and Angela Parrish, Eva Halama, and Kathleen Torre, all research assistants at Georgetown at the time the research was performed.

About Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center The Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center, part of Georgetown University Medical Center and Georgetown University Hospital, seeks to improve the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of cancer through innovative basic and clinical research, patient care, community education and outreach, and the training of cancer specialists of the future. Lombardi is one of only 39 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation, as designated by the National Cancer Institute, and the only one in the Washington, DC, area. For more information, go to http://lombardi.georgetown.edu.

About Georgetown University Medical Center

Georgetown University Medical Center is an internationally recognized academic medical center with a three-part mission of research, teaching and patient care (through our partnership with MedStar Health). Our mission is carried out with a strong emphasis on public service and a dedication to the Catholic, Jesuit principle of cura personalis -- or "care of the whole person." The Medical Center includes the School of Medicine and the School of Nursing and Health Studies, both nationally ranked, the world-renowned Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center and the Biomedical Graduate Research Organization (BGRO).

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Hi Kebkelley, I would like to thank you for posting this article, it's very interesting.

 
I too am brca 1 positive as are both of my daughters.
I'll be interested to see how the study comes out, my oldest daughter 39
has had her children and bc and having a hysterectomy this Friday.
My youngest who is only 20, well this concerns me if she would have to have her ovaries out by 35 but if it proves to work, oh how I hate this disease!


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Hi All,
    Great article regarding tumors changing from er+ to er-!  Makes alot of sense.  So do you think that means we triple negs.  shouldn't do natural hormone therapy?  I've been taking Estroven for hot flashes.  It's a natural supplement with black coyhosh and soy.
 
 
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Hey Skippy:
I just registered with the forum, so forgive me if I make any errors here. Your post made me cryCry something I've been doing a lot of myself. I have recurrent BC (first round was in '05 and after chemo and radiation and a lumpectomy my PET scan gave me an "all clear"). In February of '07 it came back. I had both breasts removed but it has metastasized to my brain, lungs, liver, kidneys and now bone. I was a warrior goddess through my fight in '05, but it has been hard to muster that kind of courage this time. Confused  But you have to do it FOR your family, because they don't want to lose you. You have to try to be positive.
Some days are better than others, I agree. But I made up my mind to try to be as "normal" in my daily routine as possible. I was forced to retire from teaching but I get up with my husband every morning at 6 AM. I started walking again, and when it got too hot to do that (South Carolina!!), my sister helped me get an exercise bike and I use it every day. I am gradually building up my time on the bike, but some days I'm less energetic than others.
Be kind to yourself. Treat yourself to small things that give you joy. Watch funny movies; stay away from tearjerkers. Do something for someone else; my husband recently had shoulder surgery. While I feel badly for his pain, it has been a relief to take care of someone else instead of feeling like a patient all the time. This is longer than I planned, so I'll stop. But pull yourself together, look yourself in the eye and tell yourself you can do it. You can do it. I'll be thinking of you and praying for you.
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