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LRM216
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Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:38pm |
Kykim;
While we can supply you with all the information we have all collectively gathered along our journeys, the ultimate decision that one makes is always a very personal one and we respect anyone's right to decide what they feel is the best for them. I just have to add that I am greatly relieved that you have chosen to do the chemo. What you said in your post above this one, is so spot-on, that being, you don't get a redo button. We will all be here for you as you begin your treatments - you will not be alone. Best always,
Linda
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Diag 2/23/09 IDC 1.2 cent. IDC right breast,Stage 1, Grade 3,0/1 nodes - Triple Neg
4 DD AC every two weeks, 1 Dd Taxol, then 3 Taxotere every three weeks - rads x 33
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Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 10:05pm |
Kim,
I am so HAPPY for you.  In my opinion, you have made the right decision.  You are right, there is no redo button. You need to do it "right" the first time.
I know Chemo affects everyone differently. I'll pray you have an easy go of it. It is definitely doable.
When my hair grew back in, I got back all the natural curl I has as a child. The natural wave is still there. For years it would only show up once in a while when I kept my hair short so the length and weight wouldn't "pull" is straight.
I will keep you and your family in my prayers...
Diana
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Diagnosis 6/25/12 Biopsy 7/20/12 Mastectomy 8/15/12 IDC 1.9 cm TN Gr 3 Stage I Chemo Start 9/27/12 ACT Done 3/7/13 BRCA Neg Reoccurence-Lung 12/3/13-Biopsy 12/16/13 Brain MRI 2/20/14 Stage IV
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Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 11:16pm |
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your daughter will amaze you with how she gets thru this, how she helps you get thru this. As rotten and awful as this is, you will find your own silver linings. My son was 15, he's now 20, and our relationship is...special. We were always close, but I know - I KNOW - that our year of going thru cancer together strengthened our bond in a way we never would have had without it. I am not a sappy person, all the cliche quoting, "that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger" people made me cringe. But what happened with my relationship with both my son and my husband is priceless. It's like, we truly learned the value of each other. And we will always have that. It's a little piece of pure joy, no matter the high price I paid for it. I wish that for you, that and many, many years to enjoy it. Think of chemo as the cost for that wonderful time together. It is worth it.
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IDC, 2.2 cm, Stage IIb,lumpectomy 1/30/09 ACx4,Tx4 36 rads 6/1/16 Local recurrence same breast, same spot 1.8cm Carb.4x every 3 wks, Taxol 12x once wk. Dbl Mast. PCR!! Reconstruction fail, NED!
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Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 11:44pm |
Good luck with your treatment Kim. I hope it all goes well for you. I managed to work all through my treatment as well as keep home life going with a then 4 and 6 year old. It was not easy and some days better than other by overall it was much better than I thought it was going to be, Keeping positive, eating well, doing a bit of exercise and resting when you need to all helped me. Take all the offers of help you get. Good luck with the wig I am sure your daughter will benefit from being part of the process. I am doing more chemo now and have lost my hair for the second time. My kids are now 9 and 11 and I was worried about how they would react this time around but they have been fantastic. Kids are black and white and if you are honest and upfront with them they seem manage really well. I have three different wigs some of the school Mums still get a bit confused when they see me with short hair one week then a long bob the next...keep us posted on how you get on. Sandy xxxx
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Kim, I breathed a sigh of relief for you when I read that you will go ahead with the chemo; it's not something any of us really want to do, but it's probably the best we can do to deal with a TNBC dx. I hope you have an easy go with the chemo; I think it helps a lot going into it fairly "healthy". A good attitude goes a long way as well. Your daughter sounds like a real gem. Good luck to you. I will keep you in my prayers. P.S. The port surgery (for me)wasn't bad; it ached for about a week then it was like it wasn't even there.
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11/07 DCIS lft breast; lumpectomy & rads then 5 yrs Femara.8/13 dx TNBC age 62 StageI gradeII 6mm single focus no nodes. BRCA neg lft mast with DIEP flap recon. 4 rounds Taxotere/Cytoxan
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Thank you for all the encouragement! Now that the decision is made I am ready to get it done. I am to have surgery to have the port put in tomorrow ...... if they go ahead with surgeries because of the weather we are having.
Although I was reading on another post about not delaying chemo. My lumpectomy was Oct 24, 2013 ( I had a saroma and had to delay biopsy for my nodes) & my lymph node biopsy was Dec 19, 2013. Have I missed my window? It has taken a while to get where I'm at because of the Holidays, went back to first oncologist and then decided I needed to go for a 2nd opinion.
As for my daughter, she is doing better. She really is an amazing young lady & my 2 boys are pretty fantastic as well. I am very proud of them. I am lucky, I am very close to all 3 of my children. My husband served in the army for over 21 years and was gone for 3/4 of those years. So glad my husband is home now to be with me as we go through this. Thank you for your support, kind words, and prayer for our family!
I appreciate all the information and helpful ideas!
God Bless! KIM
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Posted: Jan 29 2014 at 8:27pm |
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Kim, I just read your post. I don't want to alarm you but tell you my story, so you can be one step ahead of me. I was diagnosed 6/10 stage 1 clear margins and clear lymph nodes. Did 4x TC and 25 radiation with 7 boost. BUT I also had microvascular invasion. 12/2012 I was diagnosed with stage 4, mets to lungs. I am still going to MDAnderson, but I did question if I had enough chemo because of the microvascular invasion. My oncologist said it was enough. Since then I had read reports that in cases with microvascular invasion, the odds are greater for the mammary node to be infected with cancer. My tumor was also at the base of my breast and about 1/2 inch from the center of my chest....with that mammary node just behind my chest wall!!! I was given a 82-83% chance of beating it....so on days that there was a 20% chance of rain and it didn't rain! I celebrated, crazy huh??? I was never scanned before surgery and chemo, so there is no way of knowing if I already had mets or not?? Also, I got scans every 3 months for 1 year, then he stopped the scans and 1 year later it came back.
If I could only go back!!!!! Get a second opinion. Listen to your fear. And keep close watch at your 2 year anniversary as that is when it is most likely to come back.
May you have great health pink sister :). Hugs
Kitkat
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Dx 6-10 stage 1, grade 3, 1.2 cm tumor w microvascular invasion, CTx4. 25 rads w 7 boost. 1-13 stage 4 w 4-1 cm tumors to lungs. Xeloda 1500x 2 a day, ct scan 3-29, 50% shrinkage! Hopin and praying
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Posted: Jan 29 2014 at 10:31pm |
The port surgery is NBD, I had mine on Monday and started chemo that Friday. The port was a rock star, it made everything so much easier. No more vein sticks thru the whole process! If you're starting chemo now and doing 8 rounds of DD you'll be done by summer :) you'll get your strength back and grow hair all summer, by fall you'll be over feeling and looking like a "patient". Plan a wonderful, relaxing vacation for summer, you'll have something to look forward to! A few weeks after I finished chemo 14 of my family members went to the beach for two weeks (between chemo & rads) it was glorious! I got a tan on my bald head, I felt so FREE after all that had happened. I look forward to your posts when you get to that point, too.
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IDC, 2.2 cm, Stage IIb,lumpectomy 1/30/09 ACx4,Tx4 36 rads 6/1/16 Local recurrence same breast, same spot 1.8cm Carb.4x every 3 wks, Taxol 12x once wk. Dbl Mast. PCR!! Reconstruction fail, NED!
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I had the port put in on Thursday, Jan 30. I think I did fine...just uncomfortable and feels strange.
I go this Thursday Feb 6 for a MUGA Scan of my heart and a chemotherapy education class. Monday, Feb 10 I will start chemotherapy. The next day I am suppose to go back for a shot? The lady I spoke to told me the name & why I would be getting it but I can't remember....that will be one of my questions at the education class! They will start me on Adriamycin & Cyclophosphamide for my first 4 treatments (every other week). My last 4 treatments will be Taxotere every other week. I will have 8 treatments in all?
Any advice or questions I need to ask?
Kitkat, any information is good so we an be on the look out. I will tell you mine was found on my mammogram. I couldn't feel it & my surgeon couldn't feel it either. It was just almost under/to the side of my nipple (if you are looking at the nipple like a clock it would be in 8:00 position). One oncologist didn't seem to think the invasion was anything to worry about. My path report said Lymphatic/Vascular Invasion: present, focal. The oncologist I got the 2nd opinion from thought it was a good enough reason to consider doing chemo. All I know is sometimes it is so hard to know what the best thing to do is..... it is great to be able to come to place like this and get so much information and help from women who have been through this.
God Bless & I will check in again soon! KIM
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Kim, the shot that you go back for is most likely Neulasta; it's to boost the white blood cell production. Some people complain of a lot of bone pain after it. (I had very little pain from it)
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11/07 DCIS lft breast; lumpectomy & rads then 5 yrs Femara.8/13 dx TNBC age 62 StageI gradeII 6mm single focus no nodes. BRCA neg lft mast with DIEP flap recon. 4 rounds Taxotere/Cytoxan
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Posted: Feb 04 2014 at 7:29pm |
Dear Kim,
Yeah! You have made a good decision.
Good luck Monday when your chemo begins. I had my chemo, the same as you. Cytoxin/adriamycian (sp) every other week for 4 cycles. I then had taxol/gemzar (a cousin of taxatere) every other week for 4 cycles. You will have many questions after you begin treatment. I also had the Neulasta the day after treatments. It is difficult to get everything answered before treatment. Just ask, we are here.
God Bless,
Lillie
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Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA- 6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+ 6/06 Axl. 9 nodes- 8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4 No Rads. No RECON - 11/2018-12 yrs NED
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Posted: Feb 04 2014 at 7:38pm |
Kim,
Many of us had terrible bone pain after the Neulasta shot. Many women on this forum have tried taking Claritin, usually the day of and several days after the shot. I tried it mid-treatment and it really helped and only had minor bone/flu like pains. You may want to ask about using Claritin. You want the plain Claritin, not Claritin-D.
Donna
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
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Neulasta shot, it's a bitch! Sorry, but it hurt the 1st and 2 NED time I got it. Bone pain. I was told later that if you take Claritin D it takes the pain away, I did take it on the 3rd round for 2 days, had no bone pain but also couldn't sleep!! So pick which is more important :). The 1st chemo is always the worse, days 3 & 4 are the worse, 5th day you start to come back to life.
Glad your getting ,more chemo. It's better to be sure, especially with the vascular invasion. Your life is worth it!! Emmends is a really good anti nausea medicine, I get an IV bag with my chemo now, it works great. I have zophran and compazine pills to take when I get home, and there are time I do have to take them.
The port is a pain at first. You do get used to it. My port dr gave me numbing cream...AWSOME stuff. I put in inside my elbow for blood to be drawn on chemo day, you don't even feel the prick..and also on the port. Just put a price of Saran Wrap on it till you get to chemo..you won't feel that fat needle. If you don't have any, ask for it.
Good luck and best of health. You can do this as we all here have :))
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all of my blood draws were from my port and completely painless. They should have a nurse on Oncology that can do it - ask if they come at your arm with a needle. The reason for the port is no more needles in your arms! You get a bag of steroids first before the chemo, this makes most people sleepy. The steroids then kept me up at night so I took sleeping meds sometimes the days following. They'll give you a regimen of anti nausea meds, take them like clockwork - write it down so you don't forget. You should not throw up! If you do call in, there are other options and you can change immediately to one that will work. Queasy, icky yes - vomiting, no. Drink water! Tons of it! Imagine flushing that chemo out of your system with every sip, you'll drink more :) the Neulasta shot itself is not painful, but I had bone pain afterwards. If it hurts, keeps you from getting rest take pain pills! Do not suffer needlessly, there's no reason. I got Biotene (no alcohol) mouthwash and used it religiously from day one and did not suffer from mouth sores much at all. Eat whatever you feel like, when you feel like it in the days following treatment. 3 days after was usually the time I felt the worst. Week two between treatments was ok, I worked and lived my life (but avoided crowded spaces where there might be sick people) REST when you feel like it! Rest is healing, do not overdo. If you're pre-menapausal, there could be hot flashes. Mine got so bad my wonderful husband put a window unit air conditioner in our bedroom! We have central air, but I wanted it cold at night!
You've made your decisions, you have a good plan - one that's kept a lot of us NED for years. It's time to stop stressing, let it go and focus on the task ahead. Be at peace with it. And come back here and let us know how u are!
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IDC, 2.2 cm, Stage IIb,lumpectomy 1/30/09 ACx4,Tx4 36 rads 6/1/16 Local recurrence same breast, same spot 1.8cm Carb.4x every 3 wks, Taxol 12x once wk. Dbl Mast. PCR!! Reconstruction fail, NED!
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Lillie,
I guess I misunderstood the lady on the phone when I spoke to her....I thought she said treatment every other week but I'm scheduled to start Mon, Feb 10th (going back the next day for the shot) and my next treatment is March 3rd. Should I inquire about this or are treatments sometimes spaced out like this?
Thanks, KIM
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Posted: Feb 05 2014 at 9:24pm |
Hi Kim,
I would definitely want a clarification on this. Call back and inquire, just to be sure.
Usually, if given every 21 day all three drugs ACT are given on the same day and usually consist of six treatments. If it is given "dose dense" A/C infusions are given every 14 days for 4 treatments followed by 4 treatments of 'dose dense Taxatere or taxol.
I am not saying one way or the other, but from what you first were told, It does sound as though it would be the every 14 days 'dose dense'..... Please call, anyone can make a mistake.
Good Luck and God Bless,
Lillie
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Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA- 6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+ 6/06 Axl. 9 nodes- 8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4 No Rads. No RECON - 11/2018-12 yrs NED
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Lillie, That is not necessarily true. I had A/C every three weeks x 4 treatments. I never needed the Neulasta shot at all. It is typical in some areas of the country and actually there have some articles saying that this way of giving the chemo is better than the dose dense as there are less long term side effects. I then had taxol 12 treatments once a week. This is standard care here in Pittsburgh. My friend also had her chemo in this manner. I had a PCR and I was stage 3.
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Dx TNBC 6/12; age 59; Stage 3, Grade 3; 3.5 cm, 3/10 nodes + chest wall nodes; A/C x4, T x 12 completed 12/12 with PCR, 2/13/13 lump; IMRT Rads x 33 completed 5/22/13 BRCA 1 negative.
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Hello MLindaG,
I stand corrected, to a degree. I know that treatments are given in many combinations. That is true here in North Carolina. 7 years ago I had my surgery first (mastectomy) and then chemo, so I never knew if I would have achieved PCR, or not. I am thankful that my oncologist was savvy about triple negative (7) years ago and treated me aggressively with chemo. I volunteer at the oncology clinic and I meet a lot of breast cancer patients. Most of the triple negative patients do get the 'dose dense' chemo. The ER, PR and Her-2's get many variations of treatments.
A lot of things have changed in the past 7 years. One thing that has not changed is TRIPLE NEGATIVE breast cancer.
It does sound as though you had surgery after treatments and were able to know that you were PCR. That is wonderful and I hope you are doing well.
If I were Kim, I would want clarification of the treatment schedule.
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God Bless,
Lillie
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Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA- 6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+ 6/06 Axl. 9 nodes- 8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4 No Rads. No RECON - 11/2018-12 yrs NED
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Kim I would ask for an explanation on why they're not going Dense Dose for sure. Did you're MUGA show a concern with your heart? Ask why you weren't given OPTIONS. My oncologist laid out 5 options, the pros and co n s of each, and the statistical data for recurrence and long term survival with each. The DD, every 2 week plan was the most aggressive, had the highest long term survival, and at my age, 45, and overall good health, and the very aggressive nature of my tumor the one she recommended. I have not a single regret.
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I know many feel that Dose Dense is the only way to go but here is a recent article which is somewhere on this forum that speaks to the different regimens.
Neoadjuvant Chemotherapy for Triple-Negative Breast Cancer: Maximizing Pathologic Complete Response Rates to Improve Prognosis
By William M. Sikov, MD
Dose-Dense vs. Standard Chemotherapy Regimens
Advances in adjuvant chemotherapy during the past 20 years have resulted in greater improvements in outcomes in patients with ER-negative cancers than for those with ER-positive cancers,8,9 and many of these same approaches have been adopted in the preoperative setting. Although there is no standard NACT regimen for TNBC, administration of both an anthracycline and a taxane, sequentially or concurrently, is warranted, even in patients with relatively early-stage disease (clinical T2N0 or higher), and results in a pCR rate of 30% to 40%. Dose-dense paclitaxel—whether administered at a lower dose weekly or a higher dose every 2 weeks—is superior to paclitaxel administered every 3 weeks,10 which is consistent with fi ndings in the metastatic and adjuvant settings,11-13 whereas docetaxel appears to be both more effective and better tolerated when administered every 3 weeks.13 Representative regimens are listed in the sidebar.
NACT Regimens for TNBC ◾Doxorubicin (60 mg/m2) or epirubicin (90 mg/m2) in combination with cyclophosphamide (600 mg/m2) (AC or EC) every 2 (dose-dense AC or EC) or 3 weeks for four cycles followed (or preceded) by paclitaxel (80 mg/m2) weekly for 12 weeks14 ◾AC or EC every 2 or 3 weeks for four cycles followed (or preceded) by paclitaxel (175 mg/m2) every 2 weeks for four cycles or by docetaxel (100 mg/ m2) every 3 weeks for four cycles15-17 ◾Docetaxel (75 mg/m2), doxorubicin (50 mg/m2), and cyclophosphamide (500 mg/m2) (TAC) every 3 weeks for six cycles18 ◾For patients in whom administration of an anthracycline is contraindicated because of coexisting medical (especially cardiac) issues, neoadjuvant administration of docetaxel (75 mg/m2) and cyclophosphamide (600 mg/m2) (TC) every 3 weeks for six cycles is reasonable based on its documented effi cacy in the adjuvant setting,19 although data supporting its use in the neoadjuvant setting are sparse.
For the sequential regimens, order of administration doesn’t appear to affect treatment efficacy; a randomized phase II study in patients with unresectable HER2-negative cancers, SWOG 0800, is addressing this question. Studies in which a novel agent is added to the taxane component often administer that portion of treatment first in order to better observe any improvement in clinical response. Another advantage of administering weekly paclitaxel (my preferred taxane regimen) first is its relatively modest acute toxicities, allowing the patient to “ease” into chemotherapy.
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Dx TNBC 6/12; age 59; Stage 3, Grade 3; 3.5 cm, 3/10 nodes + chest wall nodes; A/C x4, T x 12 completed 12/12 with PCR, 2/13/13 lump; IMRT Rads x 33 completed 5/22/13 BRCA 1 negative.
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