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HOC
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Posted: Mar 28 2013 at 4:36pm |
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I DID try Claritin, but it didn't seem to help. I only took it the day before, day of, and day after the shot though. Should I take it earlier? Do you think it matters that it's 24 hr Claritan D rather than the 12 hr the Dr. said to get?
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Posted: Mar 28 2013 at 4:51pm |
HOC,
Not sure as I only tried the Claritin (not Claritin D). I still had some mild bone pain, flu like symptoms, but nothing compared to when I didn't take the Claritin. The pain was very manageable with tylenol or advil and a nice heating pad.
Donna
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
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Posted: Mar 28 2013 at 5:05pm |
Yes, I'm triple negative, too. I had a 3cm tumor. I could've had a lumpectomy, chemo, then radiation, but chose to do single mastectomy with sentinel node and chemo instead. DCIS is ductal carcinoma in situ which is cancer in the milk duct that hasn't spread out of the duct. Once it breaks through it's called IDC or invasive ductal carcinoma. I was just talking with an RN who told me that if the cancer is DCIS and between 1-5mm, that no chemo is recommended whether it's triple negative or not. It's only once it becomes invasive that they worry. The port isn't bad anymore. It hurt quite a bit in the beginning, but if you do end up doing chemo, I'd highly recommend it. These chemo drugs are really hard on your veins and the port accesses a much larger vein that can withstand it. One final thing, the hair follicles hurt a LOT just before and while your hair is falling out. I'm going through that right now. It started falling out by the handful last Thursday, on day 14. I had my 7 year old cut it shorter on Monday (I had pretty long hair), to about shoulder length, and yesterday I had a neighbor shave it. I was hoping it would hurt less without the weight, but it really didn't make much difference. It seems that it continues to hurt until it's gone. How did your appointment go? Have you decided on a treatment?
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Posted: Mar 28 2013 at 6:47pm |
I think my appt. went good. Mine was only 1.5 mm. My oncologist said I didn't need any treatment because it was so small and I got clear margins during the lumpectomy and went on to have the mastectomy and sentinel node biopsy by choice. But she did do a lot of blood work and said she wanted to check it out and go over my surgery lab results with a fine tooth comb before making any final decisions. I go back and see her next Wednesday. She also gave me the paperwork to fill out for the BCRA testing. I'm just waiting for the Genetic Counselor to go over it and call me to set up an appt. So I still feel like I'm walking on pins and needles. Keep me posted on how you're doing. You can pm me if you like.  I think about a lot of you that replied to my posts. But I feel like I'm being intrusive if I ask how things are going.
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DX...Triple Negative BC, March 22. 2013. 1.5mm. Treatment and BRCA pending.
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Posted: Mar 28 2013 at 7:21pm |
Aligrace....did I read correctly no treatment? If so thats great!
Hoc...I was wondering does your hair get really dry right before coming out...the head pain subsidded and I feel like I am treating myself like a science experiment. The only thing driving me crazy is my itching head...I am at day 11.
Rachel
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TNBC invasive ductal carcinoma dx 2/21/13, dose dense AC/T, will have double mastectomy end of summer
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Posted: Mar 29 2013 at 10:11pm |
Today is the 9th day since my hair started falling out. My scalp seems very dry. I shaved my hair two days ago down to a number one on the clippers. Now when it falls out it looks like whisker stubble. :) I too feel like a science experiment. I read some things online about the pain so I tried a lotion on my head. This was Wed when it was still really bad. Hurt a TON putting it on, but it might have helped a little with the pain and dryness. It was a stuff called Ecza Salve from a little stand at the Pike Place Market. They also sell lotion bars made with beeswax that are amazing. I was going to try one of those next if it stays so dry. I use a really mild soap in the shower called Seba Med (from Amazon) that's supposed to balance your ph and be gentle and not drying, but I still feel like I have dandruff and it itches. At least the pins and needles pain is almost gone. Just a little more on top of my head... Oh, and Aligrace, I'm pretty new to this and have no idea how to PM people. :(
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Posted: Apr 10 2013 at 5:31pm |
Wow! That was a lot of helpful information! I just started chemo last Friday and already I had some itches on my head that hurt when I scratched. I thought I was being overly sensitive and while it sucks that we are all experiencing similar symptoms, I feel better that I am not alone in the process!!
Thanks for sharing you're experiences!! :)
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Posted: Apr 25 2013 at 4:06pm |
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Diagnosed with TNBC Invasive Duct. Stage 1 1.8cm grade 3. Left Breast Mastectomy, no nodes. I did my first chemo treatment on April 16th, I've been sick ever since. Cannot hold down water. I dont think I can do this. Who out there has done hollistic stuff only. Im Backing out.....
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Posted: Apr 25 2013 at 6:42pm |
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Hello DKMoore2,
I am sorry you are experiencing this nausea and inability to keep anything down. After my first chemo I had the same thing happen. I urge you to call your Onc. Nurse right away and tell her what is happening. You should be able to receive an injection of an antinauseant to stop this.
I know it is discouraging but in my case after experiencing what you are going through the Oncologist reduced the chemo for the rest of the rounds of treatment a little (which is often done) according to side effects...Chemo is usually given in proportion to one's weight but in some cases it is not tolerated and so a small reduction is made.
What they did really worked for me and as well the anti nausea medication was increased and I was also given an IV of Stemetil after I received every Chemo and just before I was to go home.
After all these measures were adopted I did not have one bit of nausea or vomiting.
Please call you Onc. or his Nurse right away so something can be ordered for you.
Re-consider backing out...I am living proof that the first chemo and only the first chemo I received caused these symptoms...There is SO much that they can do to Stop these side effects...
Do not be discouraged, I understand how you feel I remember, but this can change.
Take care and will wait to hear how you are doing...Love,
Annie
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Posted: Apr 25 2013 at 7:08pm |
DKmoore2,
Annie has given you excellent advice. Please call your oncologist's office and let them know. I found they are very willing to help with any and all side effects and should have a nurse on call 24 hours a day. They should be able to get you where the side effects are manageable. I don't want to scare you but Triple Negative is very aggressive. Surgery and chemo (and sometimes radiation) are the only treatment options. Please don't give up.
Donna
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Posted: Apr 26 2013 at 9:01am |
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Hope this in replying to the kind people that wrote to me from Canada. I had issues reloggin in. I did call my oconoligist and told him that I still could not hold anything down. He said it was unusal and that there was nothing more he could give me. He did agree to "add some more anti nausea" in round 2 of chemo. I am so scared and I really dont want to go back. Thank you for your advice. How can I find information of people that didnt do the the chemo with triple neg and survived for many years. This decision is so hard to make and freaking out my mother, my daughter and my husband. I feel like they are killing me. Help.
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Posted: Apr 26 2013 at 9:25am |
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9 would seek another doctor , this can not be so, my doctor would of never left me that way anytime i had problem, they would help, that is what they need to do, i never heard of this this is not right , they cant just give you this stuff and tough luck kiddo , talk to someone else my doc said there are many chemo if one dosent help or you can tolerat it we try another, please dont go the no chemo route yes there has been a few people that didnt do chemo for different reasons , but everyione is different, must of us were glad we were able to, i myself had er postive in 2007 did it then and tn in 2011 pleas talk to another doctor
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ER postive in 2007 10 nodes in underarm,primary unknown, right side, did chemo and rad. Dec. 2011 TN left side 1.5 CM no nodes stage 1 did cmf chemo and rads.
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Posted: Apr 26 2013 at 11:31am |
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Dk, are you taking Emend? I ate like a horse while on chemo, thanks to Emend and the other anti nausea meds that I took.
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Posted: Apr 26 2013 at 11:49am |
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YES I ALSO TOOK EMEND
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ER postive in 2007 10 nodes in underarm,primary unknown, right side, did chemo and rad. Dec. 2011 TN left side 1.5 CM no nodes stage 1 did cmf chemo and rads.
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Posted: Apr 26 2013 at 12:51pm |
dkmoore2 Lesson learned from my sis who couldn't keep anything down for a mere 10 minutes. I got her into my oncologist who ended up testing her for Addisons. Turns out that was the problem. It is a failure of the adrenals and is widely overlooked. It IS treatable but is very serious. The testing is simple, but please do have him test for it. May you find relief soon. Mainy
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3 Lymph nodes involved, Taxol/Sunitab+AC, 5/09 dbl masectomy, path 2mm tumor removed, lymphs all clear, RAD 32 finished 9/11/09. 9/28 CT clear 10/18/10 CT clear
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Posted: Apr 27 2013 at 7:38am |
I have no idea which of the 3 anti nausea meds in the IV. I finally saw an accupuncturist that saved my life. That very night ate dinner for the 1st time and ate all three meals the next day. I feel alive again! Thank you Leonard and I am going to the oncologist again on Tuesday. Family very anti chemo - Im very confused but chemo2 is Tuesday. Thanks for your support
One more question that always puzzles me. I see all the sub titled diagnosis of the members of this group and it makes me sad. There is so much recurrance or other cancer ....why?
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Posted: Apr 27 2013 at 8:36am |
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Hello DKMoore2, I see that you were able to eat yesterday that is great. Also read the above about your Onc.
I just wanted to mention that along with giving me a separate IV bag with Stemetil in it after the chemo was done and before I went home, I also was prescribed tablets of Stemetil to take twice or three times a day following chemo...I forget the exact dosage but I took it in addition to the other strong anti-nauseant I was also taking which was Zofran.
You could ask your Onc if he might want to consider to prescribe more anti-nauseant pills like the one I mentioned or another one he may prefer depending on it going along with the other anti-nauseant you take and the type of Chemo you are receiving. I am not sure if he is reducing your dosage of chemo a bit.
Here in Canada we see the Onc a day before Chemo where he reviews our blood work and goes over anything and the next day chemo is given...not sure how it works where you are.
As far as you seeing some recurrance here, yes that can happen depending on several factors. However there are COUNTLESS people who are doing very very well without any recurrance years and years after chemo and Radiation. It is just that they are now busy living and going on with life.
In order to do all we can to prevent any recurrance especially in TNBC chemo is CRUCIAL to increasing the chance of a good outcome. I know that chemo upsets people, I have known some with that attitude too but as my ONC said we have to hit it hard! and this is the best way we have.
YOU, will get through this!!! we are all here to help you along ANYTIME you need us or have any questions or just need to talk. Remember that and we will be thinking about you on Tuesday and I will be praying for you...Take care...Love, Annie
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Posted: Apr 27 2013 at 9:34am |
dkmoore2 wrote:
I have no idea which of the 3 anti nausea meds in the IV. I finally saw an accupuncturist that saved my life. That very night ate dinner for the 1st time and ate all three meals the next day. I feel alive again! Thank you Leonard and I am going to the oncologist again on Tuesday. Family very anti chemo - Im very confused but chemo2 is Tuesday. Thanks for your support
One more question that always puzzles me. I see all the sub titled diagnosis of the members of this group and it makes me sad. There is so much recurrance or other cancer ....why? |
dkmoore2....TNBC is considered a highly aggressive cancer. It is my understanding that by the time you get this diagnosis you may have micro cancer mets that could be circulating in your body even though lymph nodes test negative because this is such a fast growing cancer. This is one of the reasons that they want you to do chemo with this TNBC diagnosis.....to treat you prophylactically. In many cases, there are no micro mets and the cancer may be gone.... but you just never know. I don't mean to scare you, but this is my understanding of this disease. Because it is so aggressive and very fast growing this is the reason you see the recurrences which are heart breaking to read.
It would be so good if you could get a 2nd opinion from a medical oncologist who is familiar with this aggressive Triple Negative Breast Cancer. You and your family members would likely feel better. It is a pain to have to do this, but in the long run, worth the trouble. It was for me. I talked to three different oncologists. Making these decisions are so difficult and it's so easy to be influenced by others in trying to come to terms with just what to do. My advice would be to try and get a 2nd opinion as soon as possible, educate yourself as much as you can about your situation and then go with your gut as best you can. Remember, you are the one actually living with this and suffering its effects.
So glad you were able to find an acupuncturist who could help you! My very best wishes to you. Please keep us updated as to what's going on with you.
Wishing you peace,
Kaye
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Posted: Apr 27 2013 at 11:07am |
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Dkmoore2,
Annie and Arabella have given you excellent advice. TNBC is very aggressive and chemo and radiation are all we have to fight this disease. There is a higher rate of recurrence because it is more likely to travel thru the lymph or vascular system than other bc. We also don't have adjuvant therapies like Tamoxifen or Herceptin to help reduce recurrence. We have to throw everything at it and hope it doesn't recur. As you can see from my signature I've battled a recurrence. I've had chemo twice and never had any nausea. I believe it was probably due to excellent anti nausea drugs given to me, including steroids. I actually gained wait while on chemo, ugh! With my recurrence, I used acupuncture to help me. I believe it really helped with my fatigue level and clear out my liver enzymes. I'd recommend it too. You can do this!
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Posted: Apr 28 2013 at 11:00am |
dk, I had quite a bit of nausea as well and ended up on 4 different drugs besides the premed which made it live able but it never went totally away. The good thing is if you go on to taxol I did not get nauseated at all. It gets better. Wishing you the best. I have heard that acupuncture works glad you had that and it worked! I probably should have tried it.........
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