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Now THAT'S a really good idea Charlene.. I may do exactly what you did!  I know it would be easier on my head and I amuse easily-  Ya know what,  I'll do just that!  See... all the great tips are right here!

Thanks so much for your good wishes!!!!Heart
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Mindy,

Like Charlene did when my hair started falling out we shaved it with a 3/8" trimmer that I used for my sons.  Over the next few days, the rest fell out.  I'd stand in the shower and just rub my head and it would come out everywhere (plastered all over the shower walls).  I had to rinse the shower to get rid of it all.  It kind of freaked me out seeing the hair on my pillow in the morning so trimming it made me feel better.  I'd say within 3 days most of it fell out.

Good luck on your trip.  I'm an overpacker too!

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Hello ladies,

Kirby - thanks for the kind words - I was nervous after I posted that I had been offensive somehow, so it felt good to see your comment.   

Deb - I'm glad my rambling made you smile:) I had been checking for your path report results because you and Kerri seemed to on such similar paths, and you said you expected results Thurs. or Friday. I was concerned when you didn't post for a while after I posted...

Mindy - We will be pulling for you. I hope they have some good ideas for you at MDA.

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Thinking of you Mindy as you head off to Houston!  I hope they have a great plan in place for you!!

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Mindy - I guess what I meant was, wait until you know it's going to all fall out. Mine did with taxol, but with the abraxane I'm left with a very thin headful of grays. But enough to look better than nothing when I wear a baseball cap.  Hope your visit goes great!
 
Just a note of what NOT to do.  Although I had cut my hair quite short (maybe 1 1/2"), it was time to bake Christmas cookies and make fudge. I wore a cap, I shook my head prior to kitchen work, my daughter stood guard and tried to catch stray hairs, but a few DID end up in my cookies!! Might have been a lot but nobody said so!!
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Hi Mindy,

Very best of luck to you on your trip! We will all be waiting for an update.

I did much the same thing when my hair started falling out with the AC. Everyone kept saying Day 14 and by the end of day 14, I wasn't loosing more hair than usual. Made me feel pretty good about things. But, the dawn of day 15...like you said, clumps. I had it shaved off the next day. Sadly, I can't say I took it all in stride. I was very bummed...sad, angry. Somehow, it took my hair falling out to bring reality crashing in and make this whole nebulous 'cancer thing' really real. After that, I would sit there and pinch the stubble and pull it out, my hubby saying it would never come back if I kept pulling it out! I never did loose it all completely. The little bit that is left has been growing longer and looking fuzzy and just starting to feel the stubbles starting to come in here and there. I have been known as 'the bald chick' for five months and now my kids are calling me the 'fuzzy duckling' instead!

It is funny, because now, everyone comments on my hair and how it is getting longer, etc, etc, trying to make me feel better! It is funny, because now I argue with them that it isn't growing back yet, this is what never fell out and saying they don't need to try to make me feel better! Somewhere in the last five months I have become okay with the hair and I know it will all come back in due time. Well, I hope most of it comes back anyway- I had a lot of hair! I think I miss my eyelashes more than my hair!

Anyway, a lot of rambling to say this whole journey is a process. A process of learning, accepting, and healing. Not always pretty or fun, but try to keep your humor lurking in there somewhere! And you are just in time to do up a great Halloween painted mohawk!!

Deb
Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Hey Mindy,

Just checking to see what the word is from MD Anderson?...you are in my thoughts!

Deb
Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Hi Mindy - I'm going to piggyback on Deb's question and comment - I hope you're doing OK.

And Deb, I was reading through my wife's second opinion whilst waiting in the ophthalmologist's office, and I found a comment that Dr. Choi made referring to a "recent study" (sorry, that's all I have) that found no difference in recurrence or survival in lymph nodes that  that were clear after chemo, but had been found cancerous before treatment. I figure you've probably already heard that, but in case you didn't...

I hope your return to work went well, too

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Wife DX 5/2011@52 2.5x3.1cm;6/2011 DD A/C 4x,Abraxane 4x; Lumpectomy, SN biopsy 10/2011; 10/27/2011 NED; Rads start 11-22-2011, Rads fin 1-11-2012; 10-2013 NED; 07-18-2014 NED; November 2018 NED
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Thank you ALL for thinking of me.  I hope everyone is doing well.  I've posted in a few areas of the forum since I returned, though wanted to get back here and let you know how it went at MDA. 

The ultrasound rendered a growth of 4mm each side (3-D) horizontally and 1mm vertically.  I'm not sure about their math here- though the report said it showed a 41% "increase" after 3 weekly doses of Taxol.  I wonder if the 41% is tumor load?   I can't get it to add up but I was never good at math.

Without hesitation my oncologist switched me over to FEC - every 3 weeks x 4 or x 6 depending on how this goes.

I can't thank you enough for your warm thoughts and posts in my absence.  We got back late Tuesday.  I was fine traveling and schlepping over-packed luggage.. but boy was I beat for 3 days after.  Today and tonight I feel somewhat human.  Food tastes awful but I'm trying to eat, (even if not the healthiest diet) to keep up some strength. Water is my best friend.  It still tastes good and I manage to drink a ton.

I received a beautiful call from my local oncology nurse today.. Yes on Sat-  I called her when I returned to give her the scoop.   She was totally disheartened the Taxol didn't work.  This amazing soul is a true angel.  I adore her.   I told her not to worry, that we'd beat it with the new chemo.  She's been so supportive and always right there when I need "anything."  I feel beyond blessed to have this compassionate woman taking care of me.  I told her how much I loved her. And I really do love her.

Another thing, while insignificant, I realized my local oncologist didn't communicate with my MDA oncologist at all.  I went online and let them know I felt the tumor growing.  That's when they requested I come to MDA with 12 days notice.  I'm glad they took me seriously.

Hair..  OK.. So,  I wussed-out on cutting what little I have left.  Every time I brush it comes more handfuls so I've pinned it up in now into a tiny bun.  My hubby pulled his hair back to show that I now have the same receding hair line he has.  The kind I never had before.  What a guy! Wink   It makes me feel better to have even a little hair under my baseball cap.  I can't part with that small amount quite yet.   I've cleaned every evidence of hair today.  I don't even want to see a single strand on anything.. anywhere in this house.  Strength is coming back slowly.  I was able to do 30 minutes of Pilates but tired quickly.

Anyway, that's the latest here... They'll check my blood levels at my local oncologist on Wednesday.

Without the support of all of you this whole thing would be so difficult.  Thank you for your steadfast support.  Thank you for all your beautiful sentiments and thoughts.    You ALL ARE SIMPLY THE BEST!!!  

With Much Love and BEST WISHES FOR EACH OF YOU,  Mindy

PS- We just experienced an earthquake after I thought I was through writing. Oh boy, Oklahoma has it all.. tornado alley now earthquakes, too.  WOW!  Such an odd feeling.


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Mindy,
Glad to see your post today and to hear that you are starting to feel better.  I agree that chemo sucks--life will be better when this part is behind you.  During chemo, I ate whatever I felt like eating because, as you said, food doesn't taste quite right and it is important to keep your strength up.  Some of the foods that appealed to me during chemo, though, are foods that completely turn me off now.  Wonder if there is a connection.  I think you are especially fortunate to have such a wonderful oncology nurse.
Love and prayers being sent your way,
Charlene
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Stage 1, Grade 2, Multifocal; Lumpectomy/re-excision
SNB 0/4 nodes, BRCA-; Taxotere/Cytoxan X4, 30 rads
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Mindy,

Some of our tumors are resistant to taxanes and it sounds like your's might be one of them.  Maybe with doing the neoadjuvant therapy you found out early Taxol didn't work, so they were able to switch you to another type.  I tried to find the thread/article but it was either in 2009 or 2010 talking about how some tumors grew while on Taxol.  I couldn't find it, but remember reading it and some members talking about how their tumor shrunk while on A/C, but grew back on Taxol.  If anyone can remember this article/study, please post it.

I heard about the earthquake last night!  Hope not any damage around you.  Take care and I hope you start feeling better each day.  It sounds like they are on top of things at MDA and willing to switch tx when necessary.

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11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Thanks Charlene Hug.. I feel very fortunate- truly blessed to have such a compassionate oncology nurse.

Donna- I would LOVE to see that article and will try to find it.  Considering TNs are supposed to be pretty receptive to chemo in general, I went searching for more information. All I could find was very few posts on another forum (breastcancer.org) where a few women didn't see any improvement (and possible growth) while on Taxanes.  I'll post if I find it the report you're talking about.  YES! If anyone else can find it, please post.  Thanks so much for bringing this up Donna! Hug
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Mindy,

I searched last night and couldn't find the thread/article.  I remember we had quite a discussion about this and it was when I was going through treatment in 2009 or just after it.  I'll keep looking too.  I remember seeing an article or study discussing it.  When I had my recurrence, my onc looked for a different chemo because she made the comment that the taxane didn't quite work for me.  Maybe there are sub-types of us that the taxanes don't work quite as well.  In general, taxanes are supposed to be very effective for TNBC.

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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Thanks Donna- Not only for this, but for keeping us informed w/ all the research and articles you post for us.

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Hi Mindy,

I am so glad to hear that MDA took you seriously and got you back in there. Hopefully the FEC will start working for you. I'm glad you are feeling a bit better and very impressed that you felt well enough to do some Pilates!!

When I was doing AC, I had treatment on Friday, Saturday was often fine (or pretty good) and Sunday was usually the worst, then back to work on Monday. The second week was usually pretty decent, but it seemed like life piled up in the week that I was miserable so who had time to exercise when you are just trying to catch up?

That is fabulous that you can still drink water! Smells were awful for me, water tasted off, and even the smell of it made my stomach churn- I had to hold my breath just to take a drink!

Donna, I am thinking that the thread you are talking about is buried in the(Attn Newbies thread) MDA Taxol first study thread where some folks talked about it growing with Taxol. That thread has so many pages but I think it was in there somewhere...will do some reading to see if this ol' chemo brain remembers correctly.

How long before they check your response to the FEC? Growth like that is scary as all get out. I hope and pray that it starts shrinking very soon!!!

Deb
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Donna,

Look at the Attn Newbie thread, pg 2...you link back to another Taxol discussion that might be what you are thinking of...there is also brief mention on pg 5 but nothing too big.

Deb
Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Mindy and Debd,

I can't believe I actually found it, sort of like finding a needle in a haystack.  Is it chemo brain?  I remembered the members name, Terge, and searched for the posts.  OK, please don't be alarmed by the quote.   I know Taxol is used more often than not, for TNBC and breast cancer in general. The benefits of this drug is outweighed by the negative.  This is just one article/study and there are many more supporting it's benefits.  I also provided the link to the article that started this discussion.

Here's the thread:


Originally posted by Terje Terje wrote:

Here's what I found very interesting in this article.
Quote Dr. Martin says his team found that a popular chemotherapy drug, taxol, actually causes cancer cell microtentacles to grow longer and allows tumor cells to reattach faster, which may have important treatment implications for breast cancer patients. Their studies are continuing. 

"We think more research is needed into how chemotherapies that slow down cell division affect metastasis. The timing of giving these drugs can be particularly important. If you treat people with taxol before surgery to shrink the primary tumor, levels of circulating tumor cells go up 1,000 to 10,000 fold, potentially increasing metastasis," he adds.
Once they find some drugs to prevent or destroy tau maybe Taxol will be safe, but for now it's probably a good idea for TNBC patients to avoid Taxol and use something else instead.




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11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15

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Donna and Deb... Thanks a million!   As Donna said, please don't let this discourage anyone on Taxol. TNBC is so complicated with 6 different subtypes.   I do remember this being posted a while back and took a copy to my doctor.   You get my vote for (a) the best memory which is a biggie... and (2) tops at research Donna! Thumbs Up

Thanks so much again!!  I know that took a lot of time and effort!  xo
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Grew to Stage IIa- No ev of node involve- BRCA1+ chondroid metaplasia
Daughter also BRCA1+
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FEC 6x better
BMX 3/19/12 pCR NED
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I wanted to add,  I found at least 30 plus positive reports and information on Taxol..  This is only one.  Everything points to taxol being an excellent treatment for many other cancers including TNBC.
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Grew to Stage IIa- No ev of node involve- BRCA1+ chondroid metaplasia
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BMX 3/19/12 pCR NED
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Deb,

My schedule got changed up as visits were pre-scheduled while on weekly paciltaxol.  I was to go to MDA for every 3rd treatment.  That seemed like a lot of travel so we decided on every 6th treatment with ultrasounds at regular intervals.  Honestly now I don't remember if the ultrasounds were at every third treatment or maybe only at MDA on the 6th and 12th treatment.  All of that ramble is moot since that plan was aborted.

Knowing my local oncologist, she will send me over for an ultrasound at my request.

This last short notice visit when we changed to FEC we decided I'd go for the 3rd treatment and at that time decide if I need 4 or 6 treatments aided with ultrasound.  As bad as I've felt, I hope it's 6x.   In the meantime I have consults with the MDA surgeon- 2nd consult,  a plastic surgeon (undecided), genetic counseling and other appts which escape my battered brain.

I realize this doesn't really answer your question.  Probably because of my own uncertainty at this point.  I need to get it squared away before my next Houston visit.

On paciltaxel my growth was so palpable it was blatantly obvious to me, as much as I kinda played it down.. I knew.  It wasn't as remarkable as it felt, but still, a growth on that stuff is indeed scary.  

I promise I won't drive myself crazy feeling around (too much). Wink

Thanks for your concern. xxxx


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Dx July 2011 56 yo
Stage I IDC,TN,Grade 3
Grew to Stage IIa- No ev of node involve- BRCA1+ chondroid metaplasia
Daughter also BRCA1+
Mass grew on Taxol
FEC 6x better
BMX 3/19/12 pCR NED
BSO 6/2012
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