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Charlene
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 9:19am |
Wade,
I wish you and your wife nothing but good news and a fast and full recovery from surgery. Radiation is way easier than chemotherapy.
Charlene
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DX 3/10 @59 ILC/TNBC Stage 1, Grade 2, Multifocal; Lumpectomy/re-excision SNB 0/4 nodes, BRCA-; Taxotere/Cytoxan X4, 30 rads 3/14:NED
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Wade!! OH, the VERY best of luck!!!!
I pray you hear the news that's music to your ears!!!!
I'll be thinking of you guys today!!! -- Mindy
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 3:01pm |
Deb- I've been meaning to tell you what an amazing inspiration you've been to me. If you caught some of my posts you know how I felt about my change in treatment after having my mind set on surgery first. Reading your tremendous success story gives me this hugely warm surge of hope gilded with faith. This chemo sequencing study means nothing when you've acheived what YOU HAVE! I'm thrilled beyond words your tumor shrunk down leaving only the tumor marker. Awesome, simply awesome Deb! I feel like your personal cheerleader (sans the pom poms) though mean it with my whole heart. So now you have a follower. Lucky Girl.  I'll be upfront about looking for your posts. I hope that doesn't sound stalker-like creepy. Seriously, you've been so helpful as I begin this path. I have months to go, taking it a day at a time. I love your posts and I'm majorly happy FOR YOU. Never be concerned your posts are too long. I know I love reading every word and I'm sure I speak for many others here. Keep posting when you're in the mood, my dear. And, know you've made the day of a woman miles away more than a few times by being here and sharing... Hope you're having a good day- Wishing you MUCH continued success! -- Mindy
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 3:26pm |
Mindy,
I can't say why your tumor might seem bigger or measure bigger right now but in rereading all my reports I was confused and started asking questions here on the forum. Of course, mine grew rapidly as most others or i guess it wouldn't have been a grade 3. The doctor who did the core biopsy took 2.3 cm because he went into it more than one time. (this was the amt. it says on my report) He didn't use any ultrasound because it was clearly like a golf ball right under and surrounding the nipple which I could see and feel myself. I will say "estimates" or "measurements" of size were reported as 5-6 cm after the biopsy with hand measuring and MRI of both breasts. I didn't have chemo before surgery but when they actually removed the tumor and sentinel node it's measurement was 4.5 cm. I couldn't tell you why there was a difference other than the way a few people here answered my questions:
...possibly different views of the tumor with different tests ...swelling from the biopsy procedure ...surrounding tissue was included in the measurement
When I originally found the lump it seemed like it was down lower in my breast and of course smaller but as it grew larger that's where is ended up.
My onc. (wasn't in a clinical trial where "rules" had to be followed) didn't say too much about the natural antioxidants so I did get a load of broccoli tea (maybe from Johns Hopkins) and drank that some (didn't taste too good) and continued with the fruits i could eat although i was to cook them in case of germs so I did continue to use blueberries -i just didn't go overboard with anything.
I'm glad you are doing okay with your treatment. I always enjoy reading your posts.
Blair
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Lump found 11/08 DX: 2/09 @52 TNBC L. Mast. 3/26/09, SN-, BRCA-, 4.5 cm (post surgical)T2NOMO Chemo: 4/09-10/09 Taxol x 12, A/C x 4, No rad.No recon. NED 1/17. New Primary right breast TN, 2/2018.
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 3:30pm |
Wade,
I am thinking about you and your wife today. I am reminded of my husband being with me each time there was a test or procedure to be done and i was so thankful he could be there with me.
Blair 
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Lump found 11/08 DX: 2/09 @52 TNBC L. Mast. 3/26/09, SN-, BRCA-, 4.5 cm (post surgical)T2NOMO Chemo: 4/09-10/09 Taxol x 12, A/C x 4, No rad.No recon. NED 1/17. New Primary right breast TN, 2/2018.
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 3:35pm |
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I have to add, everybody's input is valuable. This forum is a wealth of information, the women and gentlemen here are amazing, compassionate people. I feel fortunate to have found you early on.
While I don't always have time to read and more importantly contribute as much as I'd like.. it's comforting to know there's a place to come where everyone truly understands. I know we ALL feel this way.
Thanks to each of you for giving your valuable time. For many it's a major struggle to have enough energy to write, though you do to help someone else going through their personal battles. Plus everyone totally understands when you're silent for a while.
Like I said.. AMAZING.
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 4:18pm |
Blair, Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. I just edited this to give the right measurements.. after looking at my reports. El-duh  I had a needle biopsy with 4 tissue samples as the first true diagnostic. I'm now confused where my original measurement came from. I had 3 subsequent tests including MRI, CT & Pet Scans.
I expected the tumor to grow prior to chemo. I had a Ki-67 of 99% if that's even relevant.. it seems it did come into play as a growth proliferation rate, though some docs don't pay much attention to the Ki-67. They DO put it in every report at MDA. (Mine too seems to be
growing downward though it's lower following the rim of my breast near my
ribs.) What I wasn't expecting was growth after the chemo started. It
took my local oncologist back, too. She whipped out her measuring tape just shaking her head. Comforting. NOT. When I told her it now hurt a lot (off and on) she said that was a good sign. There was so much to cover, I don't remember her explanation why the pain was a positive.
What started as a 1.88 or 1.9 cm tumor when I was first diagnosed, then hopped
up while I was hunting surgeons in the state and
waiting on second opinions. At MD Anderson it was a 2.6 x 1.8 x 2.6 cm. Not bad considering, and most of that growth was at the beginning after diagnoses. When I began mega doses of broccoli sprout extract in gel filled pill form it only grew 1 cm in 5 weeks. I found that significant. I'm NOT suggesting anyone should take mega doses of this extract! Consult an expert. The 2.6 cm was from my ultrasound at MDA. I think I read usually ultrasounds render a smaller than actual size measurement. Now it seems to be taking off in the wrong direction. I think your three points have a lot of merit as to why the tumor "appears" larger. Since chemo started I've kept my hands off it for the most part, unlike earlier days when I felt around a lot. Anyway... I'm due for an ultrasound on the every 3 week schedule. Gosh, I hope we're not talking major growth. I truly enjoy your posts too, Blair. Hope you are feeling well and thanks for sharing all that you do!
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Posted: Oct 20 2011 at 5:51pm |
Mindy - I'm more of a lurker here, and have just seen your story here. I am one of the rare persons who ended up becoming chemo-resistant during my neo-adjuvant therapy. After I completed 4 rounds of AC, my MRI showed a 50% overall reduction in my tumor load. I then started Taxol/Carbo x 12 weeks, and initially had a fantastic response - the tumors and nodes seemed to melt away. At about 7 weeks in, both my BS and MO declared my breast exam was normal. I did not have any other testing, and by the time I got to surgery 8 weeks later, I knew my cancer had been growing back, but wasn't getting much good feedback from my doctors. When my tumors grew - they were spreading out, and did not feel like lumps. It is why my doctors did not feel there was much change, but I knew differently. I will say that when the AC was working, I felt pain in my tumors. That stopped after awhile on the Taxol/Carbo. So that may be why your doctor finds it a good sign. Please don't let my story scare you - I hope instead that you can take away good information from it. If you think your tumor is growing AT ALL - it should be evaluated ASAP and treatment plan adjusted accordingly. The whole point of neo-adjuvant chemo is to assess response to treatment - and to be able to make changes. If your doctor is just shaking her head, but giving it more time, to be honest, that concerns me. There are other chemos out there that DO offer a good response. But the time to try them is as soon as you realize what you are doing isn't working! This is only my opinion - but if your ultrasound (which I hope is soon) shows ANY growth, I would insist on changing treatment. Some doctors would go to immediate surgery, then another chemo regimen. Others might change the chemo first. I wish you much luck!
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 1:10pm |
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Mindy,
Thanks so much for the very kind words and your good wishes! I am fairly new to posting things here but have followed along silently for months since I was diagnosed. This is such an amazing group of people and the amount of shared knowledge is incredible. I have learned such an unbelievable amount here and I really think knowledge makes us better advocates for ourselves.
I am all for sharing information that might ease somebody's mind or make the road a little easier for the women behind us! What is most comforting of all is that everyone here 'gets it' and understands the freak out nature of not only do I have cancer, but I have TNBC. Very few of my friends get that but we can come here and not have to explain.
I had to smile at your comment that you are leaving the tumor alone because that was so me too! At first I was at it all the time because it seemed to get bigger by the day! Once I started treatment, I had chemo on Friday and would see the onc first, so Friday was my day that I would allow myself to weigh myself and check the tumor. More than that probably would have driven me bonkers, and it is a short drive these days!
I'm with you- just taking this whole thing one step at a time, one day at a time,a nd living my life the best I can! Here's hoping that your nasty ol' tumor starts the disappearing act soon!
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 1:47pm |
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Hello everyone,
Thanks for the kind thoughts and wishes. I want to echo debB's thoughts on being a lurker. I have been reading along for quite some time, and never posted as I thought it might seem weird for a man to be posting. and I didn't have much to add.
Mindy, your nervousness about neoadjuvant chemo, and my wife's good response to same made me want to reach out to you.
Kerri has pretty much left the research and treatment recommendations up to me, and that's a pretty daunting responsibility when you're starting as a total cancer ignoramus and you want to do something NOW to get rid of the cancer. She sort of checked out when she got the diagnosis. So you have all been a great help to me, and I want to acknowledge that, even if belatedly.
Kerri's surgery went well - She had her MediPort removed, which had been irritating her constantly. She's pretty thin, and the tube rubbed against her breastbone. There was really no tumor on the mammo, just the original titanium marker and the newly placed needle. Her surgeon said that she can often feel tumors inside the lumps she takes out when she rolls them in her fingers, but in Kerri's case she felt nothing. She took out at least two lymph nodes for dissection, and palpated a few more, and said the ones she felt seemed good, with no hardness or other indication of cancer.
So, it's still early days, but so far, since my wife first showed me the lump in early May, things have generally gotten better. OK, that part is a lie, because the next two weeks are when we found out for sure it was cancer, then triple negative, and then reading up about TNBC and how nasty it can be. But after that, it started getting better - we found a good team that specializes in breast cancer, and the treatments seem to be working.
So now we have to find out what we can about radiation...
Thanks again for being a great source of help and information!
Wade
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Wife DX 5/2011@52 2.5x3.1cm;6/2011 DD A/C 4x,Abraxane 4x; Lumpectomy, SN biopsy 10/2011; 10/27/2011 NED; Rads start 11-22-2011, Rads fin 1-11-2012; 10-2013 NED; 07-18-2014 NED; November 2018 NED
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 3:12pm |
Hi Wade,
I am so glad to hear that your wife did well with her surgery!
I see that you are in SE MI and said the surgeon is a she...just wondered if you were willing to share who it is? I am in Illinois but travelling to Ann Arbor next week for my surgery (Tuesday) with Dr. Newman. We liked her tremendously when we met her, very compassionate and thorough and also seems to be highly regarded from the few people that we talked to.
I guess here we are all stalkers to some extent  , but what a great group from which to learn! Maybe as your wife gets further out from the shock of this whole business, she will feel comfortable enough to join the site and feel welcomed into the family as well! Wishing her a speedy recovery...
Deb
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Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 3:22pm |
Wade, That is wonderful to hear your wife did well with her sugery, and that her results sound so fantastic! Yayyy!! I wish her the best on her recovery, and keeping fingers crossed that the pathology comes out as wonderful as it sounds! Best, Susan
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 3:56pm |
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Hi Deb and Susan,
Thank you, and I'm happy to share whatever I can that might be helpful.
Kerri's surgeon is Dr. Cheryl Wesen, with Michigan Breast Specialists. She has been great, and was referred to us by another surgical oncologist, whose son played hockey with my brother's daughter, Dr. Bob Morris, whose specialty is ovarian cancer. Crazy how these little networks work.
I have heard of Dr. Newman, and it was all good. As I'm guessing you already know, she has a special interest in TNBC, and I've heard some interviews of her that I found on this website, I think. Some friends of my mother-in-law have been to Dr. Newman as well, and liked her.
The U of M facility is first rate, from everything I hear. This reminds me of the line from JFK's speech at the University of Michigan when he referred to Harvard as the "Michigan of the east". Obviously, he was playing to his audience, but still, it is a point of pride...I may be a bit biased as my two oldest daughters graduated from Michigan, but hey, at least I'm up front about it!
Good luck to you both!
Wade
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Posted: Oct 21 2011 at 11:31pm |
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Such awesome news Wade!! I'm thrilled! You've done a wonderful job as her advocate and I couldn't be happier for both of you.
MDA called yesterday. They want me there the 31st. I guess my oncologist was worried enough to communicate the growth, and so am I, so we'll see what re-direction they take in treatment.
Suze- I'm happy to meet you and thanks for sharing your story. I agree strongly with everything you said. I thought it may take a few treatments before this softened up and started shrinking.. but, growing is not acceptable. Yes, we gotta stay on top of it. I'll let you know where this leads and thanks!
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 12:33pm |
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Hi Mindy,
I'm glad to hear that you're going to see MDA again, though it's a bummer you have to. Good luck and know that we'll be thinking of you. We want that tumor to start shrinking!
Wade
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Wife DX 5/2011@52 2.5x3.1cm;6/2011 DD A/C 4x,Abraxane 4x; Lumpectomy, SN biopsy 10/2011; 10/27/2011 NED; Rads start 11-22-2011, Rads fin 1-11-2012; 10-2013 NED; 07-18-2014 NED; November 2018 NED
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 1:24pm |
Wade,
I wanted to say to you and by extension to your wife that i also "checked out" in a very big way. I signed my medical power of attorney over to my husband and was just sort of there during all of my treatment. He in turn sought help from my 3 sisters and brother. As you can see by my signature my treatment ended 2 years ago this month and it has only been in the last 6-8 months that i have been able to come here (after lurking for a while) and talk about things. I feel for you and for her and I am personally proud of you for all you are doing for her at this time. I know how hard it was for my husband and how helpless he felt but he stepped in and was there for me when I couldn't do it for myself. I'm normally a strong decisive person as the oldest of 5 children but this whole thing knocked the pins out from under me and it took quite a while to recover not only physically but emotionally. I am usually the caregiver for my family and this time i had to rely on others which is not a bad thing.
My best to you and your wife,
Blair
Wife 33 years, mother of 2 sons age 26 and 28
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Lump found 11/08 DX: 2/09 @52 TNBC L. Mast. 3/26/09, SN-, BRCA-, 4.5 cm (post surgical)T2NOMO Chemo: 4/09-10/09 Taxol x 12, A/C x 4, No rad.No recon. NED 1/17. New Primary right breast TN, 2/2018.
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 2:26pm |
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Hello Mindy555, Wade & Kerri, Blair, debB, Tina, Suze35,
I am so glad for this site. Just reading the interaction between all of you with similar and totally opposite situations is what it is all about.
Wade, there are, or have been many men on this site advocating for their wives, mothers or loved ones. Steve, is one of our biggest advocates, helping women who post here who really need a helping hand. All of us who have husbands who supported us in the beginning of this journey and still do today. How Wonderful.
Blair, I too "shut down" during my treatment. Not to the extent that you did, but I am glad you are back-up and headed in the right direction. I needed my props kicked askew so that I could learn to 'receive care' from others, instead of always having to be in control. It has been a humbling journey. I enjoy your posts.
Mindy, It sounds as though you are having to relinquish control also. It is hard, but we don't always know what we need; especially at a time like this. I'm praying that whatever happens next will kick 'the stuffings' out of your tumor.
debB, Tina and Suze35, Thank you for sharing. Taking it one day at a time, deciding to jump in and share your stories, all that you say can be just what someone else needs to hear. Anyway, Thank You.
As a 5 year survivor, please let me be an encourager to all of you.
God Bless,
Lillie
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 7:49pm |
Lillie,
Thank you for your post and encouragement. I was going through a lot and the breast cancer was the "icing" on the cake. I also, like you found it difficult to give up the control and struggled against it even though it was necessary. My work for so many years at DHS determining eligibility for Medicaid was also another area of my life where I was assisting others during very difficult times such as very ill loved ones and children having to place their parents in nursing homes - needless to say I did not relinquish control gracefully and i definitely was not my usual self. It's always good to know others have experienced the same type of thing. I think at first I assumed most people handled it better than I was but I know now that is not the case. That's one of the many reasons I love coming here to talk.
Mindy,
You are welcome. I am glad they are sending you back for tests and your onc. noted the growth. I'm assuming the goal or part of it is for the tumor to be shrinking not growing. Since I had chemo after surgery I don't have a lot of knowledge about what is supposed to happen. It's good to have them watching you so closely. I also felt my tumor a good bit since it stayed around for some time before surgery - like a bad companion! Take good care and I will be praying for the best for you.
Blair
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 8:46pm |
Blair- Because I believe so strongly in the power of prayer, I can't think of anything more profound than being in yours.  Something's gotta give. My husband said at my last oncologists visit she said not to expect shrinkage until shortly after the 3rd Taxol treatment. I don't remember that AT ALL, which means nothing. That's why I take another pair of ears and a tape recorder.. except for this last time. I could have sworn it was in context with losing hair.. not the tumor shrinking. They used to give higher doses of Taxol-- every third week I believe at the weekly dose x 3. Then research found the every week @ smaller dose regimen was better. (For many, I guess). It's been a bummer day here. I'm just discouraged. It seems nothing has gone right since I first discovered this evil ever-growing bugger. I do have good Dr's in my favor... but they can only do so much. Just like they both said after their many optimistic comments... "no guarantees". Yes, I know there's no warranty that says chemo will work the way it should.. or that I will remain disease free. While the docs aren't living w/ this, you know they have to be frustrated when it comes to treating patients w/ TN. After all this waiting to be treated I was hoping to see progress, but at least they promised a close monitor. I have to believe that's exactly the course they're following or my vocal chords will be exercised in a yet more aggressive fashion. I'm quite good at that. I know the doc at MDA was a little worn down after all my devil's advocate questions on my second visit... and now some of those "what ifs" are coming to fruition. This proves to me both oncologists are communicating though. I hadn't contacted her, so my onc here must have had some concerns regardless of what she said.. It had been a while since I'd seen her, and I know just by feel it's alarming. Plus, changes after 3 weeks doesn't include growth while waiting.. obviously not a good sign.. though again we're going by feel and measuring. The ultrasound should give us some more definitive answers. If the purpose of neo is to measure how well the chemo is working, they'll need more in their arsenal to move this in the right direction. Can I ramble or what? Rhetorical - we already know THAT answer. ;)
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Posted: Oct 22 2011 at 9:43pm |
Thank you Blair and Lillie -
It feels good to know that Kerri's experience isn't a fluke. I appreciate your taking the time to make me feel welcome.
Mindy, I hope this starts getting better for you soon...
Wade
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Wife DX 5/2011@52 2.5x3.1cm;6/2011 DD A/C 4x,Abraxane 4x; Lumpectomy, SN biopsy 10/2011; 10/27/2011 NED; Rads start 11-22-2011, Rads fin 1-11-2012; 10-2013 NED; 07-18-2014 NED; November 2018 NED
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