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    Posted: Sep 10 2008 at 7:00am
http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/new_research/20080908b.jsp
 
 
 
Contralateral prophylactic mastectomy improves survival only for younger women with early-stage, hormone receptor-negative disease, analysis of a large government database suggests.
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Well, Pam, this is very interesting.  I still have to think that we've increased our odds by having the dbl mastectomy -- regardless of the fact that we're in the estrogen-negative OLD group.  To borrow an Obama phrase, I 'cling to my' dbl mastectomy for security.  Wink 
 
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Dear Pam, THEY finally GOT IT CALCULATED, so NOW they would not mess up OUR heads!!
 
I also got that s^%$#, that it doesn't matter lump vs mast!!! Even with the % on the paper I did not bulch!
 
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Records of more than 80,000 breast cancer patients revealed a statistically significant (P<0.001 = this is REALLY GOOD!) 31% reduction in the mortality hazard ratio for women who had contralateral prophylactic mastectomy,

Contralateral prophylactic mastectomy has resulted in a 90% reduction in the relative risk of breast cancer across all studies.

 Thank you Pam, where are you finding these papers?!? Clap
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Galina,
 
Sometimes I just come across an interesting article while looking at something else.  I have different places I go to try and check for new news, I get goggle and yahoo alerts, lots of places.  There is alot of good information out there it is just having the time to look for it.
 
Jessie,
 
Oh I know, I tell ya, when I read something like this my anxiety level goes up thinking maybe I didn't have to have that dble mastectomy after all.  It upsets me mainly because I really didn't want to do it and have yet to adjust.  But I have a brca 1 mutation so felt I had no choice.  Atleast they mentioned "older women"!
 
How many times do we read something and lo and behold they've changed their minds, whoopsie we think it is better this way than that way and the women reading that for their own reasons are slowing seething or getting worried because they had done the first plan of action.  I don't know, they do mess with our heads as Galina says.
You and I can sit in the other section together. lol
 
 
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It is my pleasure to sit in the 'other' section with you, Pam !  Buddies in trouble.  LOL
 
Galina,
LOVE the numbers !  Not having the chemo, it would drive me crazy if I hadn't gone for the dbl mastectomy.  And every single day, I'd be obsessed with my boobs --- looking for lumps, being chased by boobs dreams, talking to them, "I need to get rid of you" --- they'd be my ENEMIES !! 
 
Ran across an interesting article on basal --- nonbasal differences.  I'll try to re-find it and start a new topic................
 
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Pam and my dble mastectemy sisters:
 
I am BRCA+ and the doctors just looked at me and said, "Well, this means you need a bilateral mastectemy and hysterectemy."  As if I had no choice in the matter.  My husband, who is the type to just do whatever a doctor says without any independent thought of his own, left the meeting assuming that I would automatically do the mastectemy and hysterectemy.
 
All of this assumption and dictating made me uncomfortable and little mad.  So, I started researching on line and doing some reading on my own.  Articles like this one and others led me to the decision that, like you, I will do the double mastectemy.  But, I got to that place on my own.  I think its important we each go through our own decision process.  I feel very strongly that each patient must make her own treatment decisions.    
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I got an appointment with the geneticists for BRCA test about one month ago. It will take 1 year complete (he told me in Canada they work 8-4Ouch). He just looked at me and said, if it is possitive they will remove ovaries and if they are already there would remove uterus, too.  (I kept silent, well I still have a year to decide and see if it is really positive!)

What is your imput on REMOVING UTERUS? If it is healthy, why to do it? They shot my ovaries, but I still feel sexual. If they remove uterus, what would that mean? If the man has testicular cancer, would they remove penis, too? What is than considered castration?
 
Anyway, unless somebody EXPPLAIN to me LOGICALLY, why to remove healthy uterus, I am AGAINST IT! Angry
 
What are chances of getting uterine cancer? 
Does BC increases chances of getting uterine cancer? 
 
P.S. Hmmm, my husband is like yours and on top of THAT he would wait and wait until THEY call (which never happens) and in the meantime I would be already gone!
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Hi Galina:
It makes me SO MAD to hear that it takes a year to get your BRCA test results!!! I was pissed at the 2 weeks I had to wait.  I guess socialized medicine does have its down falls.
 
Just so you know, there is a patent on the BRCA test and only one lab can do it, Myriad Labs.  They restrict the testing to Dr.'s who commit to using genetic counselers to screen the test subjects to make sure they truly have a genetic risk and to handle all genetic questions.   This makes getting the test difficult in and of itself.  Not to mention that there is only one lab in the ENTIRE world that can process the test.
 
As to your question regarding why remove a healthy uterous (or falopian tubes or cervix for that matter) the answer is this:
If you are BRCA 1 positive, you have a 40% chance of developing ovarian cancer.  Ovarian cancer can develop in the uterous, ovaries, falopian tubes, even the peritineal lining of the abdomen.  Very scary cancer.  Also, ovarian cancer is quiet.  It is hard to detect and has little to no symptoms until it is very advanced.  So, if you are going to be safe and reduce your likelyhood of contracting ovarian cancer, assuming you are BRCA1 +, removal of all the reproductive organs is recomended.
 
I know this is not what I wanted to hear.  But, after much reading and thinking I have concluded that I will do the hysterectemy too after I finish chemo for this nasty TN BC.  In addition to the bilateral mastectemy and reconstruction.
 
Again, this is a very personal decision that each woman must make on their own. Pink%20Ribbon
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Galina,
 
I too am amazed it would take a year for the results of your test!!
 
Nancy Jane gave you some good information.
 
I would just suggest you go to http://www.facingourrisk.org
where you should find answers to your questions.
Try not to get too upset about all of this, you don't even have your results and those decisions can be made at that time after you have done your research and feel confident you are doing the right thing.
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Galina,
 
Here is a link for information on who is at risk for Uterine Cancer,
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Thank you for all the info! I will let you know in a yearWink !Wink!Wink!!
 
Hmmm, I made a mast decision in a nick of time, BUT the hysterectomy IS CASTRATION! I am leaning toward not to do it, cancer or no cancer! There are just limits to all of this!? Isn't it?
 
I am also 2 years away on a waiting list with the plastic surgeon for the reconstruction, I am also far away from doing that! In retrospect, hey, castrated why would I need breasts?
 
And, if I ever live to 80Wacko, can you imagine that crumpy little ladyWacko?!?!?!?
 
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Galina:
Here is another link to the National Breast Cancer Institute that I found helpful.
 
 
I know you will make the right choice for yourself.
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