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    Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 6:23am
Now that I am half way through AC I have to find something new to worry about. ;)   The doctor has said I will be doing the dose dense biweekly treatment of Taxol, 4 times.  Reading online the 12 weekly Taxol treatment is the standard procedure.  Did anyone have the 4x Taxol and did your doctor give you the 12 week option and the benefits?  Or vice versa? 

Thanks so much ahead of time.

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I was told they do the 12 because the benefits are the same but the SEs are easier to tolerate. Don't know if that helps...

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Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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I did the 4 Taxol bi-weekely. No I was not given the option of 12. The only option I was given was doing my Taxol every 3 weeks instead of 2.

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Deb I read that about side effects.  How were yours with taxol.  I am reading it is a beast on fatigue. Was it known that you were TNBC when they did the chemo? I will talk to my doctor about it next time.  Was just curious.  Natilie my doctor might be saving that discussion for when we are actually close to the treatment :).   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 11:34am
back in 2007 when i had er postive i did the 12 weeks of taxol, a women i met did four weeks , she had numbness in her feet for years, i had no long turm side effects.. she wished she would of done same as me, my hair even started going back while on it .... beck
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There is not a single standard of care treatment protocol, more likely it is institution-dependent. There are basically 3 "standard" treatment regimens for TNBC (MD Anderson has its own regimen and I've never been able to get a rational explanation for why they do things the way they do).
1) DD AC -> DD Taxol (every 2 weeks x 4 cycles each)
2) DD AC -> weekly Taxol x 12 weeks
3) TAC (Taxotere, A, C every 3 weeks x 4 cycles)

In terms of head on comparison of benefits re: Taxol
1) CALGB 9741 study -- Taxol every 3 weeks vs Taxol every 2 weeks. Taxol every 2 weeks is better in terms of disease free survival and overall survival.
2) ECOG study reported in the NEJM 2008 -- Taxol every 3 weeks vs weekly Taxol.  Weekly Taxol is better.

No comparison of weekly vs every 2 week Taxol to my knowledgment.

In terms of toxicities, comparisons between weekly Taxol vs every 3 week Taxol:
weekly Taxol better in terms of myelosuppression (bone marrow toxicity) but worse in terms of neurotoxicity.

In my opinion, it is better to stick with the regimen that the hospital is most familiar with, since there are no data comparing weekly to every 2 week Taxol.  I was given Neulasta throughout my DD AC-T. I had some numbness in my fingers and toes that progressed throughout treatment, then got better when treatment was completed.  But then I received cisplatin and the neuropathy got worse.  Nothing so bad that it interferes with anything I do, just something I know is there.

12 weekly Taxol vs 2 week Taxol means 8 more infusions.  If you don't have a port, it will be a challenge.

In terms of who gets severe neuropathy, most likely it is dependent on your genetic makeup.  For example, they have found certain polymorphisms in beta-tubulin III to predispose to severe toxicities. It is an active field of investigation since in some patients, neurotoxicity is dose limiting.
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System wouldn't let me edit my post.
I introduced a new word: knowledgment -- you know what I mean.
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Dear Julie,
 
In 2006, when I had my taxol, I think the weekly x 12 was not done that much.  It was only after that when it became a more human way to administer the taxol.
 
I did 4 dose dense taxol treatments after my 4 dose dense A/C.  I was in a clinical trial that added gemzar 4 dose dense along with the taxol.  I did have bone pain, neuropathy in hands and feet and my hair did not grow back in.  But I got through it and have been NED for almost 7 years. 
 
Good luck and God Bless,
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Julie,

I was treated with 4 AC and 4 taxol in 2011. I noticed some neuropathy that progressed with each treatment. It was nothing that I couldn't handle and was pretty much gone 6-9 months post treatment. Apparently nerve cells take longer to regenerate. I did have a rare side effect of bone and joint pain, but this was well managed after my first dose with pain meds. My advice if you have pain, take the Meds   to get you through your program. I did and was happy to be finished. My hair grew back pretty quickly..4-6 months and the fatigue was worse towards the last two treatments...but that is also after the AC. You sound like a fighter...keep up the good work and God Bless...you can do this!!!!!!
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I did 4 AC every other week and 4 taxol every other week.  Nobody discussed doing taxol every week.  If they had, I think I would have preferred to do the 4.  Wouldn't have wanted to extend chemo by another month.  I found the taxol to be WAY more tolerable than the AC.  No nausea or feeling sick.  I found I needed more sleep during that time, but I functioned fine during the day - worked full time, kept up with exercise, etc.  I had neuropathy in hands and feet that was tolerable and improved a lot after treatment ended and was gone around 6 months later. 
Tested positive for BRCA1 mutation (187delAG) in 4/09 @ age 44; BSO 9/09; diagnosed w/TNBC in 10/09; 1 cm Stage 1 TNBC IDC, grade 3 + 1.5 cm DCIS; BMX 11/09, nodes clear; chemo (AC/T).
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Julie,

I had neoadjuvant chemo and yes, they knew it was TN. Taxol was way easier than A/C, not as tiring for me. Unfortunately, I have had some type of reaction with every chemo drug. My first Taxol I was fine and out of the blue vomited several times. As a result, they insisted that I have Benadryl with each infusion and IV Benadryl knocks me on my butt! I did not have Neulasta shots with Taxol, and at least with doing weekly infusions, had no problem with blood counts.

As far as the neuropathy, I took B vitamins, L-Glutamine and L-Carnitine to help. I did not start noticing neuropathy until near the end. I still have some very mild neuropathy in my toes but also had Cisplatin on a trial and that made it worse again.

Good Luck!
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Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Hi Lee, I did read both those studies when I was searching the Taxol regimen.  Sounds lik e everyone's experience rings similar, more tired than AC plus neuropathy but better than AC on nausea end.  I will talk to my doctor but I am sure she will have a very good reason for her plan and I will stick with her.  Plus the biweekly is better on the work/kids/school schedule.  Thank you again ladies you are a fountain of knowledge.  <3

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7-17-13 BMX ypT1N2M0(.9mm) 4/24 nodes.
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Dear Julie, 

I wasn't the best chemo patient and my oncologist said she was afraid i wouldn't do it if i got sick. I had 12 weekly Taxol and my A/C was given every 3 (not 2) weeks.  

Take care and keep drinking plenty of liquids. 


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I had DD treatments of AC then Taxol.  I also read about the 12 weekly treatments toward the end of mine and worried if I should have had that course of treatment.  I just finished treatments this week.  I agree with everyone's statements that Taxol causes more fatigue but less nausea than AC.

  This site is wonderful.  It seems whenever I have a question, the answer is found quickly here.
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Julie,
I never knew the 12 weekly sessions to be the "standard". On the contrary, my oncologist told me I'd be having the standard DD bi-weekly x4 treatments (same as A/C method) from the beginning. My onc said if I had taxol 1/wk for 12 wks instead of the DD format that the neulasta injection would be waived (because weekly doses are a lesser dose). Hence, the side effects are lessened and the wbc booster is not needed. I was tempted to have it weekly at first, just at the thought of eliminating that booster! But, my onc personally recommended sticking to the DD method to get it over with quicker and get surgery scheduled sooner. (If you've already had surgery, this doesn't matter.) At first I thought that maybe the weekly option was more effective (since it actually results in slightly more ml of medication over the course of treatment). However, my onc assured me that research indicates there's no difference in outcomes for either regime. So, it's really just a matter of what works best for you.
 
Personally, I'm glad I stuck to DD and just got it over with. For me, there was something comforting about getting a bigger dose all at once. Plus, I wanted to have surgery asap.
 
Good luck with whatever option you choose.
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For those of you that did the Taxol (i start a week from today) how was the constipation side effect with it?  Any better than AC?  My routine is one week of chemo sickness and one week of terrible hemorrhoids that is excruciating.  Hoping for some relief with the Taxol since my counts don't allow me to heal. 

Also Deb B:  Did they prescribe the B vitamins, L-Glutamine and L-Carnitine or was that your research?

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Barb,

I had posted on another thread some general info on taxanes and will repeat here as a FYI.
For those preparing for taxane chemo or having chemo now:
Some additional thoughts for consideration, for discussion with the oncologist.
For taxane chemo:
[ paclitaxel (Taxol)      docetaxel (Taxotere)        albumin-bound paclitaxel (Abraxane) ]
- Consider Vitamin B6 100 mg daily.    Check with oncologist.
       Consider starting one week prior to taxane (if possible).
       Continue thru taxane treatment. Some recommend continuing 6-12 months after taxane stopped.
    Vit B6 may decrease/prevent peripheral neuropathy type symptoms.
    Wide range of peripheral neuropathy symptoms from taxanes.
    Many who do get peripheral neuropathy symptoms with taxanes find they do decrease after
        taxane completed.
    Keep provider informed of any neuropathy symptoms.
    Some providers allow other supplements , some allow only Vit B6.
          Most providers do not allow anti-oxidants during chemo.   (Usual exception: Vit D3 and Vit B6)
    If foot/toe numbness, be aware of potential safety (hot water) and balance issues.
    Again, VERY important to check with YOUR oncologist about any vitamin, supplement etc
            during chemo.
One might like to take a look at esp. on pp 7-10 (there info and discussion on taxol) on:
    http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/newly-diagnosed_topic9432_page7.html
             (In addition, there's good info and discussion on the entire thread on other matters.)

Regarding your question specifically re: taxol and constipation, in my experience, I did not find
   that to be an issue.

Hoping you will be a minimalist when it comes to Taxol side effects.


With caring and positive thoughts,
Grateful for today..........Judy

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Barb,

Omg, I had major constipation and hemorrhoid issues on the A/C as well (For me that was worse than the nausea). At least with the nausea you can combat it pretty good w/the meds. As far as Taxol is concerned, yes, it was much, much better. Still had some issues at times, but nothing like on the A/C. My oncologist told me that constipation is the biggest complaint on the A/C! Hopefully the Taxol will be easier on you as well. I did have extreme bone/joint pain on Taxol, so for me it was a trade off. Try doubling up on the milk of magnesia and docusate softgel stool softener, this helped me a lot. Also, proctozone works good on the hemorrhoids. This is a prescription you'll need to ask your doctor for, but I'm sure he/she will be happy to oblige. Good luck.
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Hi Barb,

I guess I always thought the constipation was from the pre-meds and not the chemo itself. I started treating with Miralax at least the morning of to, if not the day before and stayed on for several days.

The vitamins are research that I did. Now that I think about it, I also did a Vitamin E in the mix. I didnt start to experience neuropathy until well into my 12 treatments, and it was only ever mild. Bothersome and annoying vs. a real problem.

Most women find Taxol easier... We will hope that is the case for you too!

Deb
Dx 4/29/11, 46 yrs old, 3.9 cm tumor, Stg 2 Grade 3 chemo 4 rounds DD AC, 12 weekly taxol, finish. Lumpectomy, 2mm residual tumor. 37 rounds rads completed. Cisplatin/PARP trial
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lillie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr 22 2013 at 8:32pm
Hi Barb,
I found taxol easier to deal with than A/C.    I had the bone and joint pain, but constipation, nausea, and such were minimal, or not at all.  Also my appetite was much better during taxol.
 
Good Luck and God Bless,
Lillie
Dx 6/06 age 65,IDC-TNBC
Stage IIb,Gr3,2cm,BRCA-
6/06 L/Mast/w/SNB,1of3 Nodes+
6/06 Axl. 9 nodes-
8/8 thru 11/15 Chemo (Clin-Trial) DD A/Cx4 -- DD taxol+gemzar x4
No Rads.
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