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    Posted: Dec 29 2009 at 12:32pm
In 2007 I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer and followed the normal guidelines. Surgery, Chemo, Radiation.  In September 2009, my breast cancer had returned as Triple Negative metatasized in the supraclavical lymph nodes. 
They started with Radiation to shrink the mass, which was visable to the eye.  I am now healing from radiation and waiting to find the next step.
My first instinct is to say no to having chemo again.  Tens of thousands of cancer patients have survived without Chemo and radiation.  The methods they used made their bodies stronger without damaging the body. Doesn't make sense that God would have plants on this earth to heal us of disease.  I don't want to kill my body and make my defenses weaker and more vulnerable.
I want my body to be able to fight this disease.  I have switched to an 80/20 diet. 80% vegetables and fruits. I have given up red meat and eat only salmon or chicken once or twice a week.
I am taking supplements to rebuild my immune system. I am also using the Chi Machine and Infra-red treatments (dome and pad).
I have read the book by Dr. Alan Chips, "Killing Cancer without killing yourself"! With help from several therapeutic sources and God, he has cured himself of Cancer. There are many stories like this.  Dr. Susan Day also cured herself with different directives. Both are definitely worth reading/viewing.
I wish I had taken these steps after treatment in 2007!
 
Has anyone else used any non-chemical methods? 
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Dear Karen,

I am sure there are some here who have used alternative therapies and cured themselves. There is no real data on whether the alternative path works but intuitively it makes sense to trust God and believe that he would have created natural defenses against cancer. Should you choose to go the purely alternative route, do know that the path could be hard with a lot of people telling you "I told you so" should you suffer a recurrence. DO share with us your knowledge and choices as you about this difficult choice and treatment.


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Karen W.      I had ER PR+ BC in 2002 and like you had surgery, chemo and radiation.  In Aug of 2009 was diagnosed with TNBC.  There is only approx. a 4% chance of this happening you know.  This is a new primary not reoccurance. I was given 1 round of Chemo, but stopped due to Allergic reactions and side effects.  I could have tried Abraxane, but choose to fight with a low fat diet, and supplements instead.  My Onc. said the chances are as good as Chemo.  He admitted that he is paid to push Chemo and not a diet, he is a very honest and upfront guy.  The diet is especially successful with TNBC over ER, PR+ Breast Cancers.  I put my faith in God and the information I've been given.  What will be will be.  Best of luck to you in whatever you choose to do. Approve
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Thank you for sharing.  I too am taking immune builders (Doterra & Univera products), supplements and essential oils.  Frankincense is a healing oil for Breast Cancer!! I also use the Chi Machine and FIR Infrared dome and pad. Cancer hates heat, oxygen and an alkaline body.  Try to get alkaline with your diet.  You can google diet suggestions.  I have given up most meat and especially Pork. Pork cells under a microscope look very similar to Cancer cells. I am also trying to eat only Organic so I don't add any additional free radicals to my body from processed food with perservatives.  A great book to read is "Killing Your Cancer without killing Yourself" by Dr. Alan Chips. 
I hope you have a great support team around you and of course, pray is the most important.  I will keep you in my prayers.  Keep me posted and I will do the same.Smile
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I had chemo, surgery and radiation after my diagnosis in May 2008. I started reading about nutrition and alternative therapies during my treatment. I sat by a woman on a plane flight during my chemo treatments who told me about her husband curing himself naturally from prostate cancer. She and her husband had both become vegetarians after his diagnosis and reading the "China Study". I started searching the internet and reading as much as possible! I believe cancer can be cured naturally but it takes a strong commitment to stick with a rigid diet and lifestyle! I am really struggling with raising teenagers and especially the holidays with all the delicious food! I've got to get back on track because I'm determined to beat cancer and not have a recurrance! I'm reading Suzanne Somers new book "Knock-Out". Very informative! I'm juicing vegetables and taking supplements and flax seed oil. Trying to walk whenever possible, which is hard this time of year! I do believe that there are better ways than chemo and have decided that if I ever have a recurrance I'll go the alternative route. Hopefully with what I'm learning I can prevent a recurrance from ever happening!
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Tammy,
That is awesome.  I wish I had made the changes in 2007 after my first diagnosis, and I truly believe those "microscopic" cells that remained could have been wiped out by my own healthy body.  I am about to start reading the "China Study".  I have a new juicer, but I can't drink 'green' vegetables. I too am raising a teenager, and she is quite challenging. It can be a bit overwhelming, and then I cry and start over.
 
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So Karen, your first breast cancer was hormone positive, and your second was triple neg?  I'm curious as well if they considered this a recurrance of your original breast cancer and not a new and seperate primary cancer?  From all I've read and what my onc said, one can not lead to the other, and vice versa?   I'm always looking for new information that I was unaware of or misinformed about, so I'd love to hear more.  Chemo totally shriveled up my ovary's and I'm in full blown menapause - so I thought my chances of getting a new hormone positve cancer would be very slight, if at all.  What my doc said actually was that my chances were the same as the general population that has never had cancer, for getting a new hormone positve cancer?  
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6/1/17 Local recurrence same breast, same spot 1.8cm Carb.4x every 3 wks, Taxol 12x once wk. Dbl Mast. PCR!! Reconstruction fail, NED!
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Hi thought I would put my two cents in if that's okay.  I had ER, PR+ in 2002 and Triple Neg in 2009.  My Drs told me there is only a 4% chance of that happening and it is definitely not a recurrance, but a New primary cancer.  After the first time I went into full blown menopause as well, but was told that you can get ER, PR+ again.  I am not doing Chemo this time around due to complications, but am fighting with diet and supplements. Best of luck to you!
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Originally posted by bratlee bratlee wrote:

I had ER, PR+ in 2002 and Triple Neg in 2009. 


Can you tell us the size of your tumors with each occurence?


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Sure here you are:
DX ER. RP+ 2002, age 45, Stage IIb 2.5cm Grade 3, 0/3 nodes. Lumpectomy, Chemo A/C x 4,
35 Radiation.  Triple Neg 2009, age 52, Stage 1, 1cm, Grade 3, 0/6 nodes. Bilateral Mastectomy / Tram Flap reconstruction, 1 round Chemo C/T
Currently Low Fat diet, flaxseed oil suppliment, Tumeric suppliment, Meta I C 3 suppliment
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I have had a lot of breakdowns and crying! Sometimes I feel like I'm all alone in this battle! My husband is a smoker and lives off Mt. Dew! He eats mostly red meat and potatoes! Rarely a green vegetable. He's also 10 years older than me! My two teenage daughters would live off of McDonalds and Burger King if I let them! It's really hard to eat healthy everyday when the rest of my family wants junk and do not support me! I only wish I had known before my children were born what I know now about nutrition! I myself love the taste of most junkfood but I've made the decision to change my diet because I believe my life depends on it! I've had to start over several times because I caved in and ate something just for the taste I missed! I can honestly say I don't crave carrott juice or eating brocolli! It would be soooo much easier if someone in my household would support me and start eating what I'm eating! I fear for my daughters and their future! Of course at there age cancer and death is something that only happens to "old" people! I remember feeling invincible as a teen even well in to my twenties! I guess I can only be an example to my daughters and hope as they mature they will make healthier choices. I can control what they eat here at home but not at school and ball games. I wish I could be as committed as Dr. Loraine Day was. I watched her video and have studied her book. She never mentions a husband or children. She gave up her career, going out with friends, eating in restaurants, etc...but she survived and is cancer free! I just pray a lot and ask God to forgive me when I screw up and ask Him to help me start over again! Have you read Bill Henderson's "Cancer-Free"? I'm using a lot of the remedies in his book. He has a news letter that's always being updated on the website. Can't think of the website off the top of my head but if you Google Bill Henderson Cancer-Free I'm sure it will lead you there. Best wishes to you in the New Year and may we both be healthy and cancer free!!!
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I was told my cancer is a metatasized recurrance.  My tumor in 2007 was stage one.  I had four sessions of chemo, three weeks apart. I was para-menapausal before chemo and 99% thru menapause after chemo.  My tumor was high on the chest wall. They removed and checked three lymph nodes under my arm. No cancer was detected. I actually had three surgeries.  The first surgeon operated in the wrong place and did not remove the tumor but did remove the lymph nodes. The second surgeon did remove the tumor and went in a third time to get clean margins.  i believe somewhere cells were left behind.  My second cancer metatasized in my lymph nodes in my neck.  I woke up one day and my neck looked as if it had golf balls under the skin.  They were painful. My oncologist said if it was cancer it wouldn't be painful but obviously she was wrong.  I changed Oncologist and realize now they just perform routine solutions.  I am going to see a specialist in a couple of weeks who's passion is TNBC. I would be happy to ask him any questions for anyone. 
I have been told TNBC is almost impossible to totally kill. I new treatment I read about talked of using an enzyme destroying drug so the body would be more receptive to chemo.  We need our enzymes and it doesn't make sense to me to destroy more of my body to make another killing chemical more useful. I am taking immune building supplements instead so my own body cells can fight the cancerous cells that have probably traveled elsewhere in my body.  That is also why I have been eatting a low sugar, no starch, low fat diet.
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Tammy,
 
I agree it is hard to want to make some diet changes and you are feeding other family members that roll their eyes.  Keep trying.
 
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I saw two of Day's video's. I think the web-site is cancertutor (Henderson). I plan to go back and read more of it. Was the book helpful and did it offer more than Day recommends?
 
I am sorry your family is not more supportive. My husband and daughter argue all the time and it drives me nuts. That is when I have the most breakdowns.  My Mom and Dad, Sisters and friends provide me with a lot of support. I don't think it would all be worth it without them.
 
 I don't know though that living like 'Day' is really living. Maybe we could move in with her and she could take care of us until we are well. lol. Her mom was in one video. She was sick so she took her in and forced her to drink greens and carrots and saved her life. Colonel Day. ha
 
I laughingly call myself 'the bag lady'. I carry a bag of organic food with me (blueberries, raisins, pumpkin seeds) to help stay on the program.  I have found that if I have the right foods available when I am hungry I do better.  I try to eat 1-2 organic spinach salads a day. No dressing. I still go out to eat with my husband and will only order green items from the menu. It takes so much time to prepare all the healthy food that it is a bigger challenge. I do cheat also. I try not to, but am not always successful.  When I do, I just try to keep it to a bite or two.
 
I pray and meditate during my home treatments.  I am going to meet with a lady tomorrow from Chicago that cured her own cancer using these same treatments. I am really excited about it. I use the treatments but am not sure how long a day I should do these.  I will keep you posted.
 
Let us join together and pray for all the ladies on this site as well. I believe with all my heart that God loves us and wants us to succeed.  He knows we are weak and will falter, and wants us to turn to him for comfort when we do. 
 
 
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Karen, Do not beat yourself up about the occasional cheat on the diet.  My dietician (specializes in Oncology) says you can certainly have a special treat now and then and it will not "feed" the cancer cells.  You need to also enjoy your quality of life.  I was a total red meat and sweets junky, but am finding this new way of eating not so bad once you get used to it.  Alot of the cravings have disappeared.  A helpful read is "The Spectrum" by Dr. Ornish.  The diet is not as strict as his first book, but with still great outcomes.  His diet betters your chances by 42% for TNBC and 15% for ER, PR+.   Interestingly enough, I have 3 sisters all older who have always drank at least 3 glasses of green or white tea a day and I was the only one who drank none.  None of them have had BC.  I now drink at least 3 glasses per day!  Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.  My best help has been having a sense of humor, it really does help and puts others at ease therefore making them be more supportive.  Best of luck!
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Bill Hendersons book gives so much information and choices! There are so many references and websites he gives in the book for further information. He has done research on almost every alternative therapy available. He lists all the different therapies, success stories and links to doctors, products, supplements, etc.
Please give me an update when you meet the lady from Chicago! I'm anxious as well to hear what she has to tell you!
I was declared cancer free last November after chemo and surgery. I had clear margins. I still had 33 rounds of rads ending in mid January 09. All I was told when I questioned the need for radiation was about statistics! I get so sick of "statistics"! None of my doctors like me questioning anything!
I know from everything I've read and learned about TNBC it has a high rate of recurrence! I see my surgeon and onc in Jan and Feb for follow ups. I'm afraid what a PET scan might show! Every ache and pain I have scares me! I keep telling myself any breast pain or discomfort in my chest is from the effects of surgery and radiation. I've not been faithful with my eating healthy. I had a false sense of security after being told I was cancer free! My onc said, " I don't expect to see any trouble out of you!" Knowing I'm TNBC how can he make that statement?
Today being the New Year I'm starting back on juicing my vegetables and taking all my supplements. The left over brownies my family had from last night were tough this morning! I've got to keep that stuff out of my house! LOL!
My identical twin sister had a routine mammogram right before Christmas. She got a phone call just before New Years telling her there is a mass in her right breast! She is scheduled this Monday for a diagnostic mammo and ultrasound. We are praying it's not cancer but with my recent cancer diagnosis and the fact we're identical twins the odds are not good. Needless to say I've not been sleeping well and am deeply concerned about the results next week! She is single, just got a promotion at work and just bought her own home 2 days before Thanksgiving! Her words were "This can't happen! My life is just starting to look up!" She struggled as a single mom raising her now adult daughter after an abusive relationship. I'm hoping I can get her to start eating healthy and juicing. She's always been the type to take the easiest route so I'm sure she'll do whatever the doctors tell her without questioning. I keep reminding everyone that I changed my diet and took flax seed oil everyday along with supplements during my treatment. My onc seemed surprised himself when my tumor disappeared! They say I had an amazing response to chemo! I believe everything else I was doing contributed to it!
Please keep me posted in what you learn and I will as well. Pray for my sister, PLEASE!!!
Just curious, what is your age? My sister and I just turned 46 this past November.
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Karen! I just realized under your name your location! You're in Evansville, IN! I live just south of Mt. Vernon in IL! Evansville is only about an hour and a half away! I would love to meet some time! Maybe we can meet half way somewhere. I don't mind driving to Evansville either. I was just over that way before Christmas looking at a horse!Smile
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Tammy, May I ask why, the juicing?  Is there some special benefit to that?  Thanks, and your sister is certainly in my prayers as are you!  Thanks, Kim (Bratlee)
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Good Morning to all of the new members....I just thought I'd invite you to visit our Spiritual Support group...just jump to Support Groups then Spiritual Support. You can read our daily devotional and also respond or request...
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Pam,
I just want to say here in this new year how much I appreciate you! You are always available with wonderful advice and direction. What you have is a God given talent for research and sharing. LOVE YOU, GIRLFRIEND!
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