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Topic: What to eat to reduce recurrenc of TNBC
Posted By: Grancy
Subject: What to eat to reduce recurrenc of TNBC
Date Posted: May 08 2018 at 7:28pm
I am new to this forum and to the world of TNBC. I was diagnosed in January 2018, had a lumpectomy in February, started Chemo in March, and when finished will have a bilateral mastectomy. I found a wonderful website - foodsforcancer.com which gave me info on what to eat and what to avoid during Taxol treatment. Other parts of the website had info on recommended foods to eat or avoid to prevent recurrence of TNBC. I thought I was set to tackle this aspect of helping myself do battle but then in accessing the latest research I read the information about how mice given a diet low in asparagine and methionine (amino acids) dramatically reduced recurrence. Essentially I would need to eliminate dairy, beef, poultry, eggs, nuts, seeds, and whole grains for asparagine, plus not eat soy or beans in the case of methionine. Many of these foods I have been eating based on guidance from the foodsforcancer website and the Cancer Fighting Kitchen cookbook. Now I am wondering if my food choices have not helped me. I know I am not mouse but now I truly do not know what to put in my mouth. Fruits and vegetable for sure but what else can you have to eat? I am especially concerned about not having beans for protein.

Any advice would be appreciated. All I have been told by a nutritionist is that I am not a mouse and right now the foods I have been eating are fine according to the experts or until human studies can be fine. Not reassuring. Thanks in advance in any support you might be able to offer.



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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 4:30am
Grancy, I tried to eat this way in the beginning. It was very difficult, and I lost a lot of weight very quickly. It's hard, especially during treatment, to adhere to such a rigorous eating plan. Talking to your onc and a nutritionist is a good way to go. I was trying to get protein from quinoa, then I read quinoa was high in one or the other. Good luck to you, and good job on being well-informed and proactive.


Posted By: Grancy
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 11:00am
Mama T, What do you eat now? What protein do you eat?


Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 12:05pm
I don't do dairy or sugar. I eat free-range, organic eggs and fish. Occasional free-range red meat without antibiotics. Occasional beans. Lots of cruciferous veggies and tomatoes. Blueberries and apples. All organic produce at home. It's hard to adhere to this all the time. My onc at MDA said eat s balanced diet, and that the occasional cheeseburger or slice of pizza was ok.


Posted By: parrynd1
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 3:58pm
I would do some research into a Ketogenic diet in relation to TNBC. Many people use it for weight loss, but it has some significant research behind it as beneficial for people with cancer and more recently TNBC.

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Dx TN IDC 9/016 Age 28, Stage 3c, Grade 3, 4.5cm, .7cm, 1/5 Nodes, BRCA -, KI-67 >90%, 6/6 I-Spy 2, 4/4 rounds DD A/C, Lumpectomy w/reduction, 3 nodes removed, weekly Taxol/Carb1/12


Posted By: Libber
Date Posted: May 11 2018 at 10:56pm
Just saw this study using a KETO diet in combination with conventional chemo along with hyperbaric oxygen therapy to put stage IV in remission. Amazing to stumble on this. I recently started KETO to lose weight and better control blood surger. I have Type 1 diabetes. 38 yrs. perhaps this will help prevent my stage 1 TNBC returning. Have lost 10 lbs. BS is stable and in range all day. Now I am completely committed after reading this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5589510/pdf/cureus-0009-00000001445.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5589510/pdf/cureus-0009-00000001445.pdf


Posted By: Warrior31
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 8:42pm
I don't know that there are high quality studies that have shown that specific foods prevent recurrence of breast cancer in general, or of triple negative breast cancer. I would advise talking to an oncology nutritionist for some guidance, one who would have scanned and synthesized the literature for you. While looking at the scientific literature can be useful, I would also recommend double checking your sources (my opinion as a public health researcher!). This paper that you found is a case report, so it only describes the story of one patient (often the ones that doctors are surprised about) and so it wouldn't be seen as the highest quality evidence. Ultimately, I think you should eat what makes you happy - if you don't find it stressful to go on a specific diet that can be hard to maintain (I know I couldn't do it), go ahead!

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Dx at 31 yrs-old 06/03/15; left IDC 1.6 cm; Chemo 28/04/15: 12 weekly Taxol then 4 AC; Lx with SNB 24/11/15; no PCR: 3 mm residual; 20 Rads 20/01-17/02/16. 8 cycles of Capecitabine started 04/01/16.


Posted By: Prembid36
Date Posted: May 15 2018 at 8:10am
Ladies i'm suer thankful to you for all of this information. I will definitely show this to my wife as i know she would find it helpful. if there's anyone having any updates we would deeply appreciate!


Posted By: Ewa
Date Posted: May 15 2018 at 11:58am
Hi,Smile I'm new to the forum, but an old patient (I've been fighting with TNBC since 2008Shocked). As you can imagine, I've gone through the topic of diet many times. In general I think: common sense first of all. I've tried strict diet at the beginning, but it was rather stressful (especially during the chemo, when few things are "tasty" and, e.g., you feel obliged to eat super healthy broccoli..... Thumbs Down) It seems to me stress is a dangerous cancer trigger... However, I tend to eat healthy food, i.e., not pre-processed. I cook myself and I buy "eco" products, I try to focus on locally grown fruit and vegs, instead of frying I bake. I always read labels, I also use eco-friendly detergents. And always double check any information.
I wish everyone to enjoy their diets; it is so important to take pleasure from your meals instead of approaching them as some kind of torture. And remember: everyone is different, perhaps we also have some other illnesses, just observe your body and take good care of it.


Posted By: Meadow
Date Posted: May 16 2018 at 2:05am
I am a believe in the sensible "plant based diet" that is routinely recommended at cancer centers: lots of fruit and vegetables, beans, nuts, moderate amounts of lean protein, lowfat dairy and whole grains, olive oil as my main source of fat. Plenty of fodder for enjoying every meal. I allow myself treats of sweets and cheese 1-2 times a week and true indulgence once in a while.


Posted By: PAGIRL65
Date Posted: May 16 2018 at 10:14am
Food choices these days are very difficult to say the least. What works for one person might not work for another. I've had stomach issues way before my BC diagnosis and they are still ongoing. Not having a gallbladder only adds to the problem. What works for me currently is also a mostly "plant based diet" similar to MEADOW'S as described in the above post. Because of my stomach issues, I can't tolerate broccoli, cabbage, tomatoes, onions, and garlic which are really good for you.Unhappy

 I also firmly believe that SUGAR is a cancer catalyst. I've eliminated it where I can. Once in awhile though, I will treat myself to ice cream or a piece of cake. It's all about choice and only you can find the BALANCE that works for you.


Posted By: Asovey
Date Posted: May 16 2018 at 12:38pm
I have been working with a nutritionist that specializes in working with cancer patients.  Her advice is to eat as plant based as you can for a major part of your diet, but most of all be reasonable.  Eat organic.  Limit sugar and dairy.  She also suggests a good probiotic.  I take BioFloractiv 45 by BioCeuticals and also SulforaClear by Metagenics.  Also I take Buffered Vitamin C and Magnesium Citrate - all her suggestions.  You also want to be sure you are "regular" so a fiber supplement is a good idea.  I take Daily Fiber Cleanse by Gaia Herbs.  If you like veggie smoothies they are great!  Personally, I just cannot stomach them.  She is very insistent on organic and non GMO as many of the additives in foods are know to be a cancer risk.

The research on the role sugar plays in cancer can go in many different directions.  Some research says yes and some says no correlation.  If you do use sugar, us organic and non GMO.  Stevia is also great.

There is no reason to try and follow a diet that you hate, because it will not work.  Be as conscious as you can when you can and do not feel guilty if you splurge once in a while.  We all need that!

Of course, limit alcohol as that is a known factor to increase breast cancer.  I finish chemo on Friday and you can be sure I will have a glass of my favorite white wine, but only a small glass.  I haven't had any since New Year's Eve!

Be good too yourself - but be reasonable!

Ann


Posted By: 123Donna
Date Posted: May 16 2018 at 7:30pm
Personally I don't believe any food would reduce the recurrence risk for TNBC.  I ate so many cruciferous vegetables, I should never had TNBC.  My first onc had a great saying, "it's like trying to stop a steam roller with a thumb tack."  Instead, I try to eat healthy most of the time, follow the 80/20 rule.  Eat healthy foods, organic when you can, limit processed foods.  Look at the food labels.  If you don't know the ingredient, it's probably processed and may not be good for you.  Still life is too short!  Enjoy those special occassions!  Eat the cake, have a glass of wine, enjoy the ice cream. 




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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09)
11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15



Posted By: Warriorkat
Date Posted: May 18 2018 at 12:13pm
Iím in the midst of chemo - 5 more Taxol to go after having done 4 rounds of AC. I am working with a nutritionist who is also a LAc and herbalist. Itís tough during chemo but hereís his advice for the most part: eat organic only, mostly plants and high fiber whole organic grains (brown rice, oats, millet) Avoid wheat - though I still eat some sprouted organic bread at times. Look for protein in legumes, nuts, seeds, fatty wild caught fish, organic eggs and occasional meat is ok (grass fed, organic - what I call happy meat!) No processed meats (deli, sausages, pork) Always combine grains with vegetables or fruit. Filter water. No sugars or processed grains. He recommended fermented foods like miso, sauerkraut.

For now Iím off all caffeine (coffee esp) with the Taxol and off wine and any alcohol. He recommended a pre/probiotic, omega 3/6/9 supplements (my blood wrk showed I was low) and vitamins and minerals for me specifically including A, D, K, iodine, zinc, selenium. Iím also using a high quality whey powder and a turmeric powder. And certain herbs to support my liver.

He recommended no dairy...this one Iím not quite there with as I still eat some cheeses occasionally though only organic or without growth hormone.

My plan is to stick with a mostly plant based organic diet with fatty fish and eggs and occasional lean meat and whole grains. Sugars, alcohol, dairy, processed grains contribute to higher blood sugar levels and an acidic environment that cancer likes. I plan to have my occasional glass of wine and weekend coffee and to allow myself a pass a meal or two a week and on vacations. Iíve found if Iím trying to be too strict it stresses me out which doesnít help build my immune system!

Funny thing is Iíve eaten mostly vegetarian ďcleanĒ and organic for many years now. The biggest piece for me is eliminating wheat and processed foods and dairy, wine and coffee. It really is about balance - decreasing acid producing foods and eating mostly alkaline supporting foods.

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Gratefully,
Kat



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