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    Posted: Feb 19 2012 at 7:18pm
I lost nearly all my eyelashes and eyebrows (which were sparse to start with) during chemo.  I finished my last chemo treatment on January 3.  While the hair on my head, legs and "mustache" area Ouch are all growing back, I can't say the same for my eyelashes and especially my eyebrows.  I've made do up to this point with using eyeliner and eyebrow powder and drawing on some semblance of eyebrows, but the thought of doing this forever is daunting.  I've been considering permanent eye makeup options, which is a fancy way of saying tatoos -- not done at a tatoo parlor, of course, but by a licensed, experienced aesthetician or plastic surgeon's office.  Have any of you gone this route and, if so, were you satisfied, dissatisfied?  I've only so far looked at online websites and have not gone for any consultations.  Just wondering what you ladies thought.  All opinions, pro or con, are welcome. 
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I wanted to get a very small pink ribbon on the inside of my wrist after I completed all treatment.  After those three tiny tattoo dots I got for the radiation set up - I said - no way to the pink ribbon idea!  Those three little dots hurt like heck.  Admittedly, I am no Joan of Arc - I don't have a high tolerance for pain and the fear I feel before any type of procedure is abominable.  However - that all being said, I will tell you that if you are considering permanent eyeliner, my friend had it done (no reason other than she hates putting in on everyday) and she said that after they did her right eye, she wanted to leave screaming and just forget about the other.  Unfortunately for her, she could not and had to then go through the pain with the left eye. 

I will never know for sure, as I certainly would never be a candidate for any tattooing, but I wish you the best if you go that route. 
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I don't have any experience in what you're looking at doing.  Have you thought of Latisse?  It's supposed to help grow your eyelashes.  I have a friend that's a 5 year ER+ bc survivor that decided to try it to help grow her lashes.  She was pleased with the results.


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Donna, my medical oncologist told me at my last chemo treatment, when I mentioned my eyelashes (or lack thereof) that if they did not grow back in that she would write me a prescription for Latisse.  I may try that route first.  But that doesn't solve the brow issue.  Maybe I am just too impatient.  I'm just a little freaked out, I think, because hair everywhere else is returning except lashes and brows.   If my brows and lashes come back white, like the hair on my head is, I'm really going to freak out!!   LOL
DX 7/5/11, TN Invas; Lump w/clear marg., 7/21/11; Stage 2A. Grade 3, 2.6 c; 0/6 nodes; TX 8/22/11 4DD E/C; 4Taxotere; Chemo ended 1/3/12; 33 Radiation Treatments, ended 3/15/12.
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Hi BamaRachel,

I don't have experience with the procedures you are talking about, but I would say give it a little more time. I finished chemo at the end of September and Christmas was the first time I tried to wear mascara! Both my eyelashes and eyebrows are shorter and stubbier than they were before, which is not a good thing in my case!

Two things that I had read and tried...I started taking Biotin supplements and also tried warm compresses on my eyes. I was having these continual bumps and somewhere back in an old thread I read where someone told a gal that the eyelashes are thinner/weaker than hair and have a harder time pushing thru the skin and the follicles easily get clogged. I don't know if either worked or if it was just coincidental timing, but very shortly after I did those two things they were growing back in! I did the warm compresses for about a week and am stil taking the Biotin to help this hair of mine!

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My eyelashes came back pretty close to normal, maybe not as full as before.  Now my eyebrows are another story.  They are not as full and a lifeless color that just blends in with my skin.  I use a brow pencil/crayon and draw them on.  I wish there was an easy solution to getting them darker and fuller looking.  I wonder if they make hair dye for eyebrows?
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Thanks for the tips, Deb.  I will definitely try them.  I'm probably being too impatient.  I definitely don't want to do anything drastic and then regret the outcome if it's not what I envisioned.
DX 7/5/11, TN Invas; Lump w/clear marg., 7/21/11; Stage 2A. Grade 3, 2.6 c; 0/6 nodes; TX 8/22/11 4DD E/C; 4Taxotere; Chemo ended 1/3/12; 33 Radiation Treatments, ended 3/15/12.
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LOL, Donna.  When I was coloring my hair for years and years, I was always told never to put the dye on my eyebrows.  I also heard that you should dye this "newbie" hair for a year after it grows back (lest it fall out again).  Don't know if I can put up with this white hair for a year, though.  Hopefully that's another wive's tale, and I'll be able to at least put some semi-permanent color on it when I decide to forego the head covers/wigs!!  But that's a ways off yet.
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Hi BamaRachel,

Guess that is one of the few things I did not write down.......when the eyebrows and eyelashes came
back after chemo.
Do remember that eyebrows came back almost all at once. One day I had none.....and then one day
they were pretty much back all at once.
Not sure how the eyelashes came back but think it was similar to the eyebrows.
My hair did come back the same color as I had before chemo.

As Deb said......giving things a little more time might find the eyebrows and eyelashes do come back.
Her idea about the warm compresses makes sense.

Found this on LIVESTRONG:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/121950-hair-grow-back-after-chemo/
Regrowth
The Core Curriculum for Oncology Nursing reports that hair may start to regrow six to eight weeks after treatment. Regrowth rates differ in the individual and can take up to six months.

From chemocare.com:
In almost all cases of chemotherapy-induced hair loss, your hair will resume growth after treatments.
It may take from three to six months after therapy is completed or it may start growing back while you are still receiving chemotherapy. Be prepared for your "new" hair to possibly have a slightly different color, texture, or curl.

With wishes for quick eyebrows/eyelashes growing back,

Grateful for today..........Judy
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I waited about 4 months after finishing treatment to color my hair.  There was so much white, not grey, mostly on top.  It didn't take completely the first try so she had to put some more on the top where it was the whitest.  It took and never had any problems with my hair after that.
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Thanks for that info, Donna.  I'm shocked by how white, not gray, my hair is.  Before chemo, I was always coloring what I thought were gray roots.  LOL
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Hi  BamaRachel!

Boy can I relate..

I haven't shaved my head after 3x Taxol and 6x FEC treatments.  I too thought my roots were gray. My hair is a very pale blond- almost white, like you're saying.  Without eye makeup I almost look Albino-like, except I have a bit darker complexion. Thank goodness.  I think we lose pigment in our hair, but not certain.   I still have eyebrows though they too are very pale.  I had thick lashes which are now just short stubs.  It's a royal pain just putting on eye makeup - even waterproof.. and takes forever, as my eyes inevitably start running as they often do.  Another joyful side-effect of chemo.

I talked with a friend of mine in her 60's over the weekend.  She's a dark haired Italian.  Due to aging alone she started losing her eyebrows and had hers done.  She's so outspoken, apparently very happy and didn't complain about the procedure being painful.  We'll talk at some point this evening.  I'll ask her more about it and post again.. hopefully later tonight.

Latisse prior to all of this was very effective for me.  I grew long thick dark eyelashes. I could easily go without mascara.  Oh my how things have changed.... Smile

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Donna,  They do make dye for eyebrows and eyelashes.  Formulated to be gentle since it is used so close to the eyes, using fruit compounds I believe, to make it safe.  Regular hair dye should not be applied to the brows, too risky.  Urban Retreat in Houston used to dye my brows.  I think the only colors available were dark brown and black.  The dye looks great and very natural, at least it did when I was a brunette :  ) , but because it is formulated to be gentle, if fades after about 3.5 to 4 weeks. 
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Also wanted to mention, Deb's suggestion about Biotin is excellent.  Look into MSM too.  They both are notorious for healthy hair growth and glowing skin! :)


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Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll definitely look into the Biotin.  I may be having a chemo brain moment, but what is MSM?Confused
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Sorry I didn't get around to answering till now BamaRachel.  Here's a link you might find helpful.  I was taking 2,000 mgs of MSM and felt great. I had lot's of energy.. it helped a bunch with fibro... PLUS, had really nice hair, complexion & nails.  You'll see other benefits, too.   In fact I cut back because my hair was growing too fast. It was costing a fortune to have it highlighted to cover gray roots so often. Tongue  Until chemo is complete my MO doesn't want me on ANY antioxidants.

http://www.msm-info.com/
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Oh, I talked with my friend MJ.  She has an apt. in LA and a home in Vegas due to her husband's work and hers.  She had her brows done in LA and said it really wasn't painful... was well worth the time and effort.  Again, her brows went away due to plain ol' aging.  I think everyone is different though.  I'd wait and continue to use temporary methods to see if they'll come back on their own.   IF you do decide to go through with the procedure, I'm sure you'll do your homework and find someone top-notch with plenty of customer references you can call, plus pictures in her/his business portfolio. 

This is just me, but I wouldn't do it no matter how sparse my brows.  The thought sends me into cold sweats.  LOL

Good luck! M
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Grew to Stage IIa- No ev of node involve- BRCA1+ chondroid metaplasia
Daughter also BRCA1+
Mass grew on Taxol
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Thanks for the info, Mindy.  I don't know whether I'll do it or not.  For now I'm going to try to be patient.  I think if I could find an eyeliner that I liked and that went on good, I'd be more satisfied.  I've tried several from the drugstore, but nothing seems to look very good or stay on very well (it might help if I wouldn't rub my eyes, LOL).  The girl that did the Look Good, Feel Better seminar that I attended said to use liquid eyeliner, but it looks too freakish and too dark, I think. 
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I am a hairdresser so will tell you the info I have had first hand and talking to a multitude of customer's who have had work done or co-workers that do work.
 
I first used tint [ as hairdressers we never say dye !] on my hair 2 months after finishing tx. My brown hair with some grey came in VERY grey. I had a hard time getting the color right because it was coming back in , in stages and thicker. 3 months later I decided to forgo the brown tint because I was so grey and bleached it out to platinum. I remained platinum for only 3 months [ too much upkeep, my hair was now coming in more normal brown with grey] so cut it short and thought I would wear it natural. That idea lasted only 45 minutes. I went back to brown tint. That was a lot to put my hair through but the point is that was all 10 years ago. I think my hair grew in faster because I only had 1/2 the tx they give now.
 
I use tint on eyebrows all the time. NEVER EYELASHES. I use a special small brush and use the same thing used for hair. Dab carefully. Haircolor stains and getting too much on will leave you looking like Groucho Marx. Depending on how oily your skin is, when the oils come to the surface, the tint will come off.
 
There is special eyelash tint that can be applied by an esthetician. It will make your lashes darker but not thicker, it does not coat like mascara. It is permanent. Eyebrows and eyelashes fall out at uneven rates. Tinting should be done about every 4-5 weeks.
 
Permanent makeup, also known as tattooing should be done a darker color than what you immediately want. It fades...just like tattoo's do. For longer lasting and noticable affect go a shade darker. For eyebrows this will look a bit odd for the first week or two but you will be glad you did and not have to repeat. It can be painful. I have never had it done. I have known people that have and have known people that do the applications. It usually lasts a year or two before it is too faded to notice.
 
I have also taught Look Good, Feel Better classes. In the resource section of this site I did a detailed outline of how to draw on eyebrows and eyeliner. My favorite eyeliner is Chanel that comes in a cake. I prefer using it with water to make a paste and drawing a thin line. I used a charcoal color. It was easy to use and gave enough depth that people never knew I didn't have eyelashes.
 
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Kirby, thanks you SO much for that information.  I absolutely love this website -- so many willing to help others with whatever information/expertise they  have. 
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