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SharonP
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Topic: How important is healthy eating? Posted: Feb 05 2012 at 2:09pm |
I realize that with a TNBC diagnosis the importance of healthy eating is crucial. But I know that for anyone- cancer or not- healthy eating is important. I guess for me it's easier said than done (to eat healthy). I know what I should be doing, but I need "a kick in the butt" to get me going. I don't want my poor eating habits to be a reason that my cancer could return. I get really frustrated with myself after I have eaten something that I know is bad for me. I guess what I am looking for is some advice, proof or reading material to tell me why a low fat and low sugar diet will help to keep the cancer from coming back. Hopefully, this will be what my "mind" needs so I can stop with the emotional and stress eating. Thanks so much!
Sharon
BTW, other than cancer, I have never had any other health problems throughout my life. My weight has always been about average.
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age-42 DX 3-21-2011 w/IDC, TNBC,Grade 3, BRCA1+, 2.7 cm tumor w/necrosis,ki67-98%, 0/3 nodes, neoadj. chemo 4 DD AC & 4 DD Taxol. Bi-lat. mast.- 8/11(1.3cm residual tumor) Hyst.-9/11 Reconst.-10/11
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Lee21
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Posted: Feb 05 2012 at 3:16pm |
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checkout Lifestyle changes under TNBC polls and surveys and NEW MEMBERS> OPEN ACCESS for literature (scroll to pg 2 or 3)
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SharonP
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Posted: Feb 05 2012 at 3:37pm |
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Thank you Lee. I'll take a look at it.
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ds21
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Posted: Feb 06 2012 at 1:08pm |
For cardiovascular health, a glass of red wine a day seems beneficial, but that amount of alcohol consumption significantly increases your risk for breast cancer.
There clearly are major diet/lifestyle effects on BC risk. The classic example is that Asian women in Asia have a very low risk of BC, but Asian women who have lived in the US for a generation have essentially the same risk for BC as other US women. http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/22/1819.short
Note that the "new normal" for body weight in the US is not normal at all. For a scary video, see http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html
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Posted: Feb 06 2012 at 3:01pm |
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I believe in eating organic produce and pasture/grass fed meat. Dr. Terry Wahls, diagnosed with MS, has researched a way of eating that has worked for her and I am trying to incorporate her ideas. Lots of greens, sulphur rich vegetables,organ meats, wild fish, fruits especially berries, and seaweed. She eliminated gluten, legumes and dairy. I am taking it one step at a time. I am waiting to hear from my Naturopath, and the results from my food sensitivity test.
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I try to eat healthy since my diagnosis, but my diet was pretty good before that I am not a big red meat eater. I ate alot of salads and veggies befor my diagnosis and I love mushrooms and blueberries and I think they are supposed to be cancer fighting foods, also if anything I was underweight when I was diagnosed so is weight a real factor? Asked all of my doctors well why then did I get this and none of them could give me an answer they areeat doctors. The one thing they said was that the enviroment can play a factor.
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 12:46am |
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Sorry I meant to say they are GREAT doctors it is late and this is how i get when I am tired so it is time for bed for me. Have a good night.
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DX Idc 10/07,st2,gr3,2/6 lymphnodes
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chihai
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 10:35am |
Hello all,
I think eating healthy is very important and yes, it is very hard too. Why is the food that is "bad" for us have to taste soooooo good, right?
Since the completion of chemo, I've changed my diet to eliminate meat, dairy, wheat and processed packaged foods. I concentrate mostly on plant-based fresh foods. It's pretty boring but I feel good and have lots of energy.
Because of the fear that the cancer can come back, I've spent many hours rearching on internet, books, DVDs, etc. I want to find that one key element that will help me to understand why changing my diet will help.
Here is my opinion on this: It is not that healthy diet such as fresh fruits and vegetables can directly help to cure diseases (although it might), but fresh fruits and vegetables help to build a stronger immune system in order to fight off the diseases.
Who knows why we got TNBC. Each body is different and it can be many factors involved, but one thing for sure is that our immune systems were out of whack by the time we came to the doorsteps of the oncologists.
So doesn't it make sense for us to build our immune systems back up?
Thanks for reading. 
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 12:49pm |
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Hi Sharon,
I have been looking at the whole diet thing also. I too, have always been pretty average weight and that hasn't been a problem. I don't have terrible eating habits, nor am I vegan or buy all organic. I went to a dietician looking for help and didn't get much.
I was then talking informally with a professor who is a dietician, and got much better info from him. He had looked up the study indicating that we should follow the low fat (<30 g day) diet and in his words, the evidence was 'pretty compelling'.
My thought was that if I approach it as an overhaul of the way I eat, I am not likely to be too compliant. I wanted to look at ways that I can start making small changes. I don't think I get as much fat as many people may, but wanted to work towards baby steps. One of the things the dietician suggested was starting with foods that I like or make often and look at changes I can make there. You can also look at healthier alternatives, ie if you like crunchy chips, would crunchy carrots work?
I am hoping that if I take it one step at a time, I will be more compliant and better off in the long run!
Deb
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 1:13pm |
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It won't hurt and it might help. :)
But good luck if you are looking for definitive studies. Every time there is a study saying that a particular way of eating wards off recurrence (e.g. the WINS study with people eating 20g of fat/day showing reduced recurrence), a follow-up study seems to contradict it (larger WHEL study showing no such effect).
There is, however, a decent rationale for eating in a way that keeps inflammation down and blood sugar in the normal range. The inflammation associated with high fat, high sugar diets accompanied by a low exercise lifestyle produces an environment full of growth hormones and cytokines that could potentially trigger dormant cancers or inflame existing ones.
So, despite the conflicting evidence, it makes sense to eat healthfully and get lots of exercise. Which doesn't mean avoiding all fats, or never having a cookie. Just mostly eating well, exercising as much as possible (an hour a day on average), and keeping our weight in the low but muscular range. We can probably take how we are feeling as a guide. If we eat and exercise so that we feel good, we can probably believe that this is helpful.
But plenty of people with perfect diets and exercise recur (e.g. Connie, with her no sugar, very low fat diet), and plenty of people who live in McDonalds and never get off a couch unless it is to open a refrigerator do not. No blame, no credit. Some things are just beyond our control.
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 1:25pm |
Denise, I agree with what you said. My onc emphasize an anti-inflammatory diet. I try to use the food pyramid from Dr. Andrew Weil: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02995/Dr-Weil-Anti-Inflammatory-Food-Pyramid.htmlWith the goal to eat better and exercise, I also want to enjoy life and not feel bad about that piece of chocolate or glass of wine. We have to live and enjoy life so I guess everything in moderation is a good goal. We can't beat ourselves up, because as we know with this disease you can do all the right things and still get cancer or have a recurrence.
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DX IDC TNBC 6/09 age 49, Stage 1,Grade 3, 1.5cm,0/5Nodes,KI-67 48%,BRCA-,6/09bi-mx, recon, T/C X4(9/09) 11/10 Recur IM node, Gem,Carb,Iniparib 12/10,MRI NED 2/11,IMRT Radsx40,CT NED11/13,MRI NED3/15
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Lee21
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Posted: Feb 07 2012 at 1:46pm |
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Considering the many known and unknown variables (genetic, environmental and co-morbid diseases) in the general well/cancer human population, in my opinion, we will never have definitive studies about one diet or another (excepting those for laboratory mice). So it really comes down to a philosophical decision about what you want to do with your life. Whatever changes you want to undertake, it helps to have a supportive family/friends to keep on track.
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Posted: Feb 08 2012 at 5:54pm |
I try to do the Anti Cancer, A New Way of Life food strategy.
When I understood what cancer acts like, and how a pet scan is used by attaching the radioactive tracer to SUGAR because the cancer gobbles up the sugar faster than other tissues, I was completely grossed out.
I went off sugar pretty cold turkey, and after that, a dessert I could easily down myself, I couldn't eat more than a couple bites, it was so sweet, and frankly, disgusting.
I am at the point that there is only one restaurant in town I want to spend my money at...everything else tastes so salty, gross and makes me feel awful afterwards.
I wish I was better at portion control, I still eat a lot, just not quite as bad of food. 
I am grateful for my cancer because for me, I should have been off sugar a long time ago. It made my mood swings so bad, and my husband and poor daughter paid dearly. Now I feel like a new person, the one I always struggled to be.
Maybe once you try the better eating, you will be more attracted to the good stuff and more grossed out by the bad stuff....
Blessings,
Katie
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Posted: Feb 08 2012 at 7:27pm |
Katie- as a struggling but somewhat reformed sugar freak I too think twice about eating that sugary treat. The very thought I'm feeding my cancer turns me off from sugar and with rare exception I decline it now. So does red meat. I haven't touched it since I was diagnosed. I've always eaten less fatty protein and try to gobble down as many fresh veggies and fruits as possible- I love all veggies, but fruit not as much. And, I don't always succeed. Part of the problem is my appetite has decreased. I eat such small amounts I can't be getting all the nutrition I need. There's abundant evidence pure blueberry juice and blueberries are good for Triple Negatives. I've also been studying the supplementation in the Edge-Cam Program and there's some pretty compelling info there, too. I was taken off all antioxidants during chemo, which has been difficult on my psyche. I do take flaxseed oil, Vit. D3, magnesium and calcium. So many good antioxidants are also good anti-inflammatory boosters, too. My regular doctor doesn't understand why I can't supplement, yet am free to eat anything I want- which ultimately have some of the same properties. So my only choice right now is to get the nutrients through food. He's also huge proponent of Curcumin/ Tumeric and claims compelling evidence of baying cancer time and time again. I'm also reading Anti-Cancer- A New Way of Life edition 2, and trying to incorporate some of the late David Schreiber's food suggestions. I think Donna & Denise nailed it. Donna's point of not depriving yourself of a few occasional treats that make life enjoyable makes perfect sense- after all, we are here and now... life is to be enjoyed. I believe everything in moderation while doing all we can to improve our lifestyle choices. Denise points out that no matter what lifestyle alterations are made it appears cancer has a mind of it's own- with no rhyme or reason- with or without modification of diet and exercise. It's a roll of the dice. I believe we have to find our own way to lifestyle changes and sometimes it simply doesn't happen overnight. For me, I feel if I don't at least try to modify some of my past bad eating habits, and get some decent exercise, no matter what happens, I didn't do everything in my power to beat this. I feel pretty powerless right now as it stands. I don't beat myself up when I slip at times. Nobody can predict the future regardless of what we eat. We can only try our best- one day at a time. Great topic, Sharon. Wishing you the best.  Mindy
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Posted: Feb 08 2012 at 9:08pm |
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Donna,
Thanks for posting Dr. Andrew Weil's anti-inflammatory food pyramid. Interestingly, with the exception of red wine and pasta I'm following much of what he recommends. If I have a major sweet tooth I'll melt some unsweetened dark bakers chocolate and sweeten it with Stevia, add almonds and let it harden again on wax paper. Just a little slice is satisfying and I don't feel guilty.
Love, Mindy
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Posted: Feb 08 2012 at 10:04pm |
Thanks everyone for all of your helpful advice. I appreciate it! You all have been very motivating for me. My doctor , like Donna's, promotes and encourages the anti-inflammatory diet. She gave me a copy of Dr. Andrew Weil's Anti-Inflammatory Pyramid. Donna posted a link to it. I'm going to try my best to follow it. My doctor said that even if it doesn't "guarantee" (nothing does) to prevent a recurrence it could quite possibly prevent a new primary cancer.
I'm also going to take a look at the book Anti-Cancer-A New Way of Life. It sounds pretty interesting. Thanks Katie and Mindy for letting me know about it.
Thanks again for all of your comments! Wishing everyone the best!
Sharon
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age-42 DX 3-21-2011 w/IDC, TNBC,Grade 3, BRCA1+, 2.7 cm tumor w/necrosis,ki67-98%, 0/3 nodes, neoadj. chemo 4 DD AC & 4 DD Taxol. Bi-lat. mast.- 8/11(1.3cm residual tumor) Hyst.-9/11 Reconst.-10/11
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